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On May 21 2009 12:02 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:56 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:49 dreamflower wrote:
All right. I wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I'd like to mention my own reason for believing Ver is innocent. Why do I think this way? Because I'm still alive.
Normally, these two things wouldn't be connected in the least. However, well before Day Two occurred, Ver contacted me through PM to say he believed I had a blue role. Specifically, he said he thought I was probably medic/DT. This alone made me think that he wasn't Mafia, because he wouldn't have bothered to PM me at all if he were; he would have just killed me. Why leave a potential victim the possibility of getting protection? Being tired and surprised, I worded my response rather regrettably in a way that probably wouldn't convince him otherwise. When Day Two dawned, I knew that if he were Mafia, I would be dead.
The fact that I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as a blue, persuaded me that Ver is innocent. Why leave a blue role alone, especially if you suspect them to be a medic or detective? Both are potentially far more valuable and devastating for the town to lose than two bodyguards, because of their inherent abilities. I'd have made a far better target than poor LucasWoJ or mikeymoo. Instead, I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as blue.
Thus, logically, he can't be Mafia. Which means he's innocent and has the town's best interests in mind, more so than the likes of Ace and L bickering and quarrelling with each other.
Here are the PMs we exchanged, if anyone wants concrete proof about the conversation.
To: Ver
Subject: Re: your mafia role
Date: 5/18/09 12:25
Ironically, I just wrote to you not thirty seconds ago. And no, no one has contacted me. The confusion over nemY has pretty much occupied everyone's minds, and I don't think I would have come to anyone's attention anyway.
What makes you think I'm a medic or DT? Or even a blue role?
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Original Message:
I think you're a medic or DT.
What do you think of the current situation? Has anyone else contacted you that's playing?
Let me get this straight (holding in laughter) Ver sends you a PM, fishing for info. He claims medic or DT (even though you have no clue about what other blues he could have known) and you think because he kept you alive - he must be innocent? ... ... So...you come with this "evidence" near the lynch deadline. Showing up with Ver and his magical pixie buddies. However - there IS one thing you just did - you just fucked Ver over. Lets read between the lines. Ver asks you if your a medic or a DT right? He didn't ask about Bodyguard?! Which would kinda mean he'd know who the Bodyguards were. And you said this occured well before Day 2 which means it happened BEFORE the bodyguards died. Good going smart guy - you just proved that Ver indeed had to know who the Bodyguards were.
BOOM! Lol, what. there's no proof of that at all. Ver could have been uninterested in finding bodyguards or already Pm'd by mikey and didn't want to hit both. More than that, look at the content of the fucking post: how would he analyse dreamflower's role if bodyguard is given after the election. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL That said, i disagree with other portions of dreamflower's post and dont' doubt there's a mafia there. That's why chopping block + day 3 already has her guillotine ready
A better question is how could he possibly analyze dreamflower's posts when she barely posted anything at that point.
^_^
But yea she just jumped on the train post so I guess she's gone Day 3.
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On May 21 2009 12:03 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:00 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:57 L wrote:On May 21 2009 11:50 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:43 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote:
So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia?
As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch.
I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up!
All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo. I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found. As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen. I've just highlighted the part of your post that will send you to the chopping block. Don't think we forgot about how you were linked to a clue before either. See you on hmm...Day 3 on that double lynch block? Yea, sounds about right. You just fucked up REALLY hard. Go check your statement and your vote today : ). I voted for Ver. Which statement are you talking about? Talking about double lynch day 3 when 1) we currently aren't going to get one by the current vote count. 2) you aren't voting for it.
wtf I thought I voted for it my bad yo v_v
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It's 10 to 11, Ver has 2 votes not 3.
But yea Caller just fucked himself over. Oh well.
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On May 21 2009 12:15 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:13 MTF wrote:
And with Caller's switch we have Ver & Ace tied at 11 each.
Wonder why Caller voted for me in the first place, after all. eh you were fishy along with some other people. I figured that this incredibly poor excuse for a lynching was getting pretty stupid and just randomly picked somebody I thought was fishy ^^
MTF fishy?
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This is a Veteran's game at least make your bullshit interesting (this goes for you too BC)
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yea you just "randomly" voted for someone after less than 10 hours ago you were having pretty coherent arguments with L.
Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far.
Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then)
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On May 21 2009 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:15 Ace wrote:
It's 10 to 11, Ver has 2 votes not 3.
But yea Caller just fucked himself over. Oh well. Mayor - You are the primary elected role of the game. You gain two extra votes for lynch voting. You also, once elected, get to choose the first player to get lynched. You cannot choose the Pardoner. You show up as Mayor for all Rolechecks. Learn to read the rules tool, 2 extra votes would be his reg 1 + 2 for mayor = 3.
o snap got me there!
too bad you'll see first hand tomorrow how the voting system works.
QQ
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On May 21 2009 12:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ace, ver will die flip blue, and then town realizes the retard in office is hey, YOU.
Then we look at your supporters through this retardedness and have an idea who to lynch tommorrow.
how much $$ you wanna put on this?
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On May 21 2009 12:23 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:19 Ace wrote:
yea you just "randomly" voted for someone after less than 10 hours ago you were having pretty coherent arguments with L.
Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far.
Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then) I looked at the primary instigators of all this shit: it's mostly a back and forth between you and L. I asked you if you thought L was just retarded or traitor, and you said both, so clearly there's no need to lynch him atm. Naturally, if you flip green/blue it would've been a poor choice. To be honest though, I doubt either of you are mafia.
which would mean you would have never voted for me if you didn't think I was mafia. Come on man, do better than that.
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On May 21 2009 12:26 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 12:23 Caller wrote:On May 21 2009 12:19 Ace wrote:
yea you just "randomly" voted for someone after less than 10 hours ago you were having pretty coherent arguments with L.
Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far.
Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then) I looked at the primary instigators of all this shit: it's mostly a back and forth between you and L. I asked you if you thought L was just retarded or traitor, and you said both, so clearly there's no need to lynch him atm. Naturally, if you flip green/blue it would've been a poor choice. To be honest though, I doubt either of you are mafia. which would mean you would have never voted for me if you didn't think I was mafia. Come on man, do better than that. The very fact that you continue bringing up this controversy can lead me to only naturally assume that you are being scummy here. I don't understand why you don't simply just [i]drop it-it's a really, really stupid idea to get caught up on. [/s]
actually no, it's going to be the post I keep bringing up because you just repeated the same nonsense Ver and BC did. You say L and myself caused chaos when there was no chaos. You show up at the end of voting to cast a vote on me, but then say you randomly chose one of us.
And now you use the excuse that you're sleepy so you don't know whats going on. Ok sure.
People that deserve to die tomorrow
Ver
BC
dreamflower
Caller
People that need to be investigated tomorrow
amber[light]
I know I'm forgetting a few other names, I gotta go through my notes and put it together.
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On May 21 2009 12:27 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:05 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 12:03 L wrote:On May 21 2009 12:00 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:57 L wrote:On May 21 2009 11:50 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:43 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:
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Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon.
Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time.
Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him.
Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo. I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found. As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen. I've just highlighted the part of your post that will send you to the chopping block. Don't think we forgot about how you were linked to a clue before either. See you on hmm...Day 3 on that double lynch block? Yea, sounds about right. You just fucked up REALLY hard. Go check your statement and your vote today : ). I voted for Ver. Which statement are you talking about? Talking about double lynch day 3 when 1) we currently aren't going to get one by the current vote count. 2) you aren't voting for it. wtf I thought I voted for it my bad yo v_v wtf, you fucked up again ^_^.
wtf you talkin bout ^_^
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On May 21 2009 12:27 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:04 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 12:02 L wrote:On May 21 2009 11:56 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:49 dreamflower wrote:
All right. I wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I'd like to mention my own reason for believing Ver is innocent. Why do I think this way? Because I'm still alive.
Normally, these two things wouldn't be connected in the least. However, well before Day Two occurred, Ver contacted me through PM to say he believed I had a blue role. Specifically, he said he thought I was probably medic/DT. This alone made me think that he wasn't Mafia, because he wouldn't have bothered to PM me at all if he were; he would have just killed me. Why leave a potential victim the possibility of getting protection? Being tired and surprised, I worded my response rather regrettably in a way that probably wouldn't convince him otherwise. When Day Two dawned, I knew that if he were Mafia, I would be dead.
The fact that I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as a blue, persuaded me that Ver is innocent. Why leave a blue role alone, especially if you suspect them to be a medic or detective? Both are potentially far more valuable and devastating for the town to lose than two bodyguards, because of their inherent abilities. I'd have made a far better target than poor LucasWoJ or mikeymoo. Instead, I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as blue.
Thus, logically, he can't be Mafia. Which means he's innocent and has the town's best interests in mind, more so than the likes of Ace and L bickering and quarrelling with each other.
Here are the PMs we exchanged, if anyone wants concrete proof about the conversation.
To: Ver
Subject: Re: your mafia role
Date: 5/18/09 12:25
Ironically, I just wrote to you not thirty seconds ago. And no, no one has contacted me. The confusion over nemY has pretty much occupied everyone's minds, and I don't think I would have come to anyone's attention anyway.
What makes you think I'm a medic or DT? Or even a blue role?
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Original Message:
I think you're a medic or DT.
What do you think of the current situation? Has anyone else contacted you that's playing?
Let me get this straight (holding in laughter) Ver sends you a PM, fishing for info. He claims medic or DT (even though you have no clue about what other blues he could have known) and you think because he kept you alive - he must be innocent? ... ... So...you come with this "evidence" near the lynch deadline. Showing up with Ver and his magical pixie buddies. However - there IS one thing you just did - you just fucked Ver over. Lets read between the lines. Ver asks you if your a medic or a DT right? He didn't ask about Bodyguard?! Which would kinda mean he'd know who the Bodyguards were. And you said this occured well before Day 2 which means it happened BEFORE the bodyguards died. Good going smart guy - you just proved that Ver indeed had to know who the Bodyguards were.
BOOM! Lol, what. there's no proof of that at all. Ver could have been uninterested in finding bodyguards or already Pm'd by mikey and didn't want to hit both. More than that, look at the content of the fucking post: how would he analyse dreamflower's role if bodyguard is given after the election. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL That said, i disagree with other portions of dreamflower's post and dont' doubt there's a mafia there. That's why chopping block + day 3 already has her guillotine ready A better question is how could he possibly analyze dreamflower's posts when she barely posted anything at that point. ^_^ But yea she just jumped on the train post so I guess she's gone Day 3. Lack of posts and the profile thread indicates a town disposition that doesn't want to be discovered. A long term blue role: Dt or medic. I don't really give a shit about Ver's suspicions because he's going to die and we can talk about them more later, but its pretty open and shut how he'd figure shit like that out. That's how he sniped the majority of blues last game.
come on, people can't literally be thinking "shit I'm a Dt better act shifty" - actually nevermind. I just remembered how last game went.
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On May 21 2009 12:36 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:35 Malongo wrote:On May 21 2009 12:33 Caller wrote:On May 21 2009 12:32 Malongo wrote:On May 21 2009 12:23 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 12:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ace, ver will die flip blue, and then town realizes the retard in office is hey, YOU.
Then we look at your supporters through this retardedness and have an idea who to lynch tommorrow. how much $$ you wanna put on this? Ver is not blue. Why the hell do you think a veteran would go first in mayorals runners, win the fucking election and all the reasons i labeled before. In fact if he is veteran he is a dumbass. Put yourself in Vers "veteran" position you will see the truth. As I said I dont have a fucking real clue against Ace but VER IS NOT TOWNIE SIDE a Roleclaim MAYOR veteran LOL! b Lynched infinity a random player that gave us 0 info about the mayorals or inactives c Lucaswoj incident (I think mafia just messed up with milkymoo) d Random activity posting e Not lynching Nemy. f PMs All this are not little mistakes: they are plain stupid plays, VER IS SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO THIS IF TOWN SIDED. this has got to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. Even if he isn't, Ver has a good incentive to RC veteran. It'll discourage mafia from hitting him at night if he's town, or it may discourage people from lynching regardless of his affiliation. This is coming from someone who's been relatively hidden all game and has been very shifty-quiet... Caller: Mafia KP=3 2 veterans in the game. DO YOU RUN AS MAYOR? Hell NO. Malongo: You are town, you know you can get office. Do you run as mayor? HELL YES. If you know you can get office, you get it. If you're blue, the spot isn't in red hands. If you're red, it isn't in blue hands. What shitty fucking analysis.
Yea I agree with this lol. Good try Malongo but if you are town and think you can get office you do it in hopes of kicking a red out.
Doesn't help Ver though as he's scum and his time in office won't last long.
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Don't forget to add Incognito also. He's another cuntbucket worthy of my vengeance list.
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Caller if you've read this thread and can't come to the conclusion by now then there's nothing I can do for you. Vote how you please. There are enough arguments that don't deal with L that I've made about Ver some pages way in the back there. Oh well.
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L look at all those guys that just last minute voted for me - come on man don't do it!
Switch your vote! Stop using me as a shield just to get your info!
This is JUST like that time I was Jakiro and Testie used me as a fucking shield to get a triple kill. FUCK!
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I didn't have bracers cuz I'm noob though :/
and you know CM is a fucking whore too so I couldn't run either.
But yea go go go avenge my possible death!
and Incog where has Qatol confirmed he will modkill Ver and how does that "prove" anything?
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Uh no. Sorry I won't buy it. Unless Qatol himself says it in this thread so thats its information accessible to all players I'm not buying anything about anyone getting modkilled.
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On May 21 2009 12:55 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm just going to make the modkilling thing with Ver nice and clear:
He asked me if I would modkill him if he requested it. He pointed out that if I refused he could be a very destructive influence on this game. I don't want that. Therefore, if he were to ask me to modkill him, I would do it. However, I'm not going to make any deals or whatever. For instance, I will not agree to modkill him if he is not lynched. Take that up with Ver himself.
ok so once Ver says he wants to be modkilled no matter what happens he's gone right?
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On May 21 2009 12:56 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:54 Incognito wrote:Qatol says:
i can confim that i will modkill though ^^Qatol That proves nothing other than that you asked him if he would modkill if asked to by Ver. Not that Ver will be modkilled. Ask yourself this, also: why would Ver roleclaim Veteran if he's planning on dying anyway?
MTF don't try and talk sense into these people. Didn't you read last game?
*edited out a name
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On May 21 2009 12:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 12:26 Caller wrote:On May 21 2009 12:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 12:23 Caller wrote:On May 21 2009 12:19 Ace wrote:
yea you just "randomly" voted for someone after less than 10 hours ago you were having pretty coherent arguments with L.
Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far.
Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then) I looked at the primary instigators of all this shit: it's mostly a back and forth between you and L. I asked you if you thought L was just retarded or traitor, and you said both, so clearly there's no need to lynch him atm. Naturally, if you flip green/blue it would've been a poor choice. To be honest though, I doubt either of you are mafia. which would mean you would have never voted for me if you didn't think I was mafia. Come on man, do better than that. The very fact that you continue bringing up this controversy can lead me to only naturally assume that you are being scummy here. I don't understand why you don't simply just [i]drop it-it's a really, really stupid idea to get caught up on. actually no, it's going to be the post I keep bringing up because you just repeated the same nonsense Ver and BC did. You say L and myself caused chaos when there was no chaos. You show up at the end of voting to cast a vote on me, but then say you randomly chose one of us. And now you use the excuse that you're sleepy so you don't know whats going on. Ok sure. People that deserve to die tomorrowVer BC dreamflower Caller People that need to be investigated tomorrowamber[light] I know I'm forgetting a few other names, I gotta go through my notes and put it together. [/s]
Ah by some stroke of luck I just remembered another one:
Incognito.
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