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On May 20 2009 10:45 Incognito wrote:
No but we do need solutions don't we? You seem to be content here fueling the fire and throwing the town into chaos...
Uh? What? go ahead, how have I thrown the town into chaos. If there's one person who knows EXACTLY whats going on and have spoken up about it - that would be me. You don't see me hear trying to come up with ideas that cause for the lynching of multiple people, none of which are even fully confirmed, all because you want to try and catch leads on a voting list - which doesn't fucking matter. Because the people you SHOULD be looking at are THE CANDIDATES THAT LOST THE ELECTION.
You thought I forgot huh? Yea like I said - I know EXACTLY whats going on. Don't try and steer the town to look at the people that voted for either of us because you DO NOT KNOW which of us is guilty yet so you'd be doing it fucking backwards by lynching us both. Hence when one of us pops up innocent and you forget about the simple fucking play of just looking at the candidates that lost the election like I said days ago then hey - maybe you'd stop coming up with dumb plans and just do THE SIMPLE FUCKING PLAY.
Now both of you can pull your heads out of your asses and stop these nonsense plans. I tried to be nice about it without stating the obvious but your both so delusional and stupid it's time to start shutting your shit down. Get fucking lost or go do something smarter with your time.
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On May 20 2009 12:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 12:18 Bockit wrote:
L:
We lynch Ver tonight.
We vigi someone tonight based on what we learn from ver's death.
Mafia kp is down to 2.
A likely scenario, not definite but nowhere near impossible. We learn nothing from killing Ace about Ver. See the above. They were working together until they were elected into office, now they're trying to force an either/or scenario. ACE IS NOT INNOCENT IF VER FLIPS RED.
Whoa easy there - stop making shit up. I haven't worked with ANYONE this game, get your shit straight. If your gonna lie to convince the town to lynch me at least be more skillful than that.
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On May 20 2009 12:45 Bockit wrote:
L your whole argument on the double lynch revolves around Ace being mafia/traitor. Take that out of the equation and you waste today's lynch. Lynch Ver now, and it's still possible to vigi Ace tonight, if we decide he is guilty. Then tomorrow the double lynch can take out 2 more suspects. By lynching Ver first, and vigi'ing Ace tonight later (if we decide to do so) we get more time to decide what we think about Ace. As to where I stand on Ace, at the moment I'm 50%. I can't decide if he's town aligned or not I keep flipping what I think in regard to him.
And no shit, if Ver flips red it doesn't mean Ace is innocent, I never said that.
He doesn't get that point. He's WASTING the town's Double Lynches no matter how much I try to explain to him to stick to my original plan:
We all agreed that it's highly likely one of the losing candidates in the election could be Mafia. Why are we even going a different direction?
Notice how as soon as the 2 bodyguards die, all of a sudden it's lets lynch Ace! If not , Vigi him! Oh and use the double lynches too!
Get lost with that shit. So you want to kill 3 people, use a double lynch, and hope I don't pardon someone all because you feel panicked we are about to run out of time?
Ask yourself - do you honestly think I'm gonna let you get away with this shit?
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On May 20 2009 13:08 L wrote:
The only thing Ver's lynch will tell us is circumstantial evidence regarding his voting record and some information about the people who voted for him. It won't directly implicate Ace except via Mynock. If it does implicate Ace via Mynock, we have, again, the same 3 musketeers scenario that my suggestion counters.
My plan is the BEST plan for going forward. It lets town kill mafia faster, get more information, hits the most likely targets. It is the most logical and straight forward path to victory and people are picking up on that.
VOTE FOR ACE AND DOUBLE LYNCH.
TOMORROW VER/DREAMFLOWER (unless we find someone better than dreamflower)
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN HE IS FUCKING ASSTARD.
Implicate Mynock via Me? Have you forgotten who your dealing with? Obviously.
See, as everyone who pays attention knows I stick up for people when I feel there's some bullshit bandwagon forming against them. I did it for JeeJee last game, I did it for Ghar the game I was Mayor, and I did it for Mikeymoo when he was innocent.
See? So your point fails because there IS no implication. Especially since DING - I haven't had to stick up for Mynock. Never have this game. Get your facts straight.
Your plan is the most ILLOGICAL plan as it's pretty much a zerg rush crapshoot and I can see through the bullshit. Look at my voting records? LOL? You can do that NOW. Why would you have to kill me to accomplish that?
Easy. Because you're a guilty red fuck thats why.
Hi Mr.Mafia L - 3 times now is it?
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Also notice Plexa hasn't contributed to the thread at all and look who he voted for.
Come on, don't be stupid like last game this is fucking see through EASY.
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Supporting them doesn't mean I'm working with them.
Once again get your facts straight and stop trying to force my lynch.
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On May 20 2009 15:56 L wrote:
My plan is perfectly logical. Keep lashing out mr cool cucumber.
No you didn't work with Mynock and Ver to get voted in. No there wasn't a hueg voteswing to you day 1. No YOU weren't the one that coined the term 'three musketeers' to cement the solidarity between you three. No you didn't defend both mynock and ver until day 2 started.
so because people vote for me based on my compelling posts to get myself elected that means I'm automatically fishy?
Ummm. no. It woul be SMARTER if you actually looked at the voters first instead of trying to lynch me as lynching me tells you absolutely nothing.
So let's see:
1.) Wrong about me working with Mynock and Ver to get voted in
2.) Wrong about me causing a suspicious voteswing as if it came out of no where
3.) Acting as if coining the term "The three Musketeers" is automatically cause for creating a Mafia coalition
4.) Of course I defended both of them - from retarded assumptions because like I said before We did not have enough information. Obviously with both Bodyguards dying on that night it would make sense for me to have an argument huh?
Yea, you sure are playing this smart huh? If the town even goes through with this they definitely get dunce caps handed all around. And yea, go ahead and try to lynch any but dreamflower. I'm gonna pardon them because right now your making no sense and are acting more mafiaish than anyone with the exception of Ver and Nemy, and of course dreamflower who voted for me in one more move for the books.
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On May 20 2009 16:13 L wrote:
How would you work to get someone into office, then?
Not supporting them?
Not making your entire day 1 post content about how Ver/You/Mynock need to get office?
How does that equal working WITH them? Explain doofus.
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Good posts by Mynock and Bockit, as the rage post I was about to make has been made by them in a calmer matter. The stupidity of this plan just begs the question of how any sane person can even go for it.
L's plan is really just a "lets get rid of everyone" plan, with me as the top dog just because I might Pardon someone. What L fails to understand is that Ver has shown such mafiaish behavior, and I haven't (even though he keeps making shit up) that it's obvious who needs to die. Once I die (because mafia will surely kill me tonight) you'll lose your Pardons and one of your voices of reason.
Then L has a big fucking flaw in his argument: The vote lists.
What exactly are they going to tell you? If you want to know the reason people voted for me - JUST ASK THEM. If I was to flip red and you looked at my votes what can you possibly determine? That most of the people on there are Mafia? - WRONG. You couldn't because I caught a surge after I made a platform post to get elected, hence you'd be having a very difficult time in knowing if those voters are legit townies who liked the post or mafia majority.
And when I flip green then what? Or how are you going to explain how Ver got his votes when he flips red/traitor? Go ahead, what are you going to do? Telling the town "we'll just look at the voters list" after I'm dead means shit.
Like I said from the very beginning, the one plan that will get us where we need to be: look at the people who did not get elected that ran for Mayor, and look at nemy. In fact even if you want to believe nemy is legit, look at all the people that were involved in the arguments FOR nemy being a legit DT. Don't drop the fucking ball on this one.
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oh and Caller made a finally reasonable post too, he just needs to stop being indecisive and VOTE the right way ^_^
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Ok L since your "logic" just begs the question:
Once I'm dead and I flip green what does that tell you? Who looks guilty or innocent by my death?
Answer this please.
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1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.
2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.
3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.
What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!
Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!
LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.
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On May 21 2009 02:20 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:07 Ace wrote:
Ok L since your "logic" just begs the question:
Once I'm dead and I flip green what does that tell you? Who looks guilty or innocent by my death?
Answer this please. Depends on how Ver/x flips as well. What happens if you flip red, ace? What happens to that train of mafia that voteswung you? Someone's afraid.
Yes, because all the Mafia, even though there are only a few them all voted for me enough that they'd be caught that easily.
Yes L, your logic is frightening.
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On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.
2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.
3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.
What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!
Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!
LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop. 1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on. 2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work. 3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.
1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*
2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.
3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.
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On May 21 2009 02:51 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:37 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.
2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.
3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.
What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!
Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!
LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop. 1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on. 2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work. 3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches. 1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L* 2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius. 3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me? Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death. 1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia. 2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible. 3. Who? Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc) The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver Ver <-- from Caller Malongo <-- from Fishball mikeymoo <-- from Mynock MrBabyHandsHeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain Scamp <-- from nemY Bockit <-- from Mynock Mynock < -- from Ver Ver <-- from Showtime! Tricode <-- from Mynock) Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious. The people who have defended you. Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too. But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then.
LOL.
What the fuck?
So your plan is just kill everyone who I've even remotely been nice to or complimented - absolutely brilliant. I've supported Tricode?! - LOL! Sure L, sure I have. You still haven't answered my questions even remotely well.
It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards? You're about to kill off a lot of innocents and waste double lynches and NOT play it safe - the very thing you accused me of doing. You're playing like shit - stop your nonsense.
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On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead? Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round: From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.
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Original Message:
What do u think about L? Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that. Lol, compare that to my pms: Show nested quote +To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.
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I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.
I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.
If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw. And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.
Oh shit I have the same PM L! Guess that means your part of the underground Mafia network too now!
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Because those aren't answers your giving L - you keep giving us made up scenarios. Answer the questions with some logic and stop playing like shit.
Ver and I are both Mafia, hence we'd want to make ourselves vulnerable to vigis just so we could pull an amazing trick on the town? Incredible!
And why would I examine the voting order of the people who voted for myself or Ver when it's even BETTER if I stick to my original plan and look at the candidates who lost the election. It's a smaller sample of players and we've already concluded that it's likely one of the people that ran for Mayor/Pardoner is Mafia. Stop trying to divert the town from that path.
Vigi - kill L tonight.
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However Plexa voted without replying to the thread. He knows better than that 
Camlito has just been quiet period which means he could legitimately not looking at the thread.
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actually whoa nevermind - I didn't even see Camlito voted for dreamflower. Both of them are suspicious then.
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Even if you ignore his lack of activity, there are the other factors such as the infinity21 lynch, his call out post of me and Mynock, and the 2 dead Bodyguards on the first night.
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