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On May 18 2009 03:36 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:30 Ace wrote:On May 18 2009 03:17 MTF wrote:
Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office.
The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you. I know only two things in relation to this: 1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you. 2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me. If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why.
It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point.
Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext.
I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice.
I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office.
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On May 18 2009 03:48 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:41 Tricode wrote:On May 18 2009 03:36 MTF wrote:
I know only two things in relation to this:
1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you.
2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me.
If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why. It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point. Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext. I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice. I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office. I have read every post in the thread thus far and still stand by my decision. If Nemy is really a DT, then getting him permanent protection is worth it to me. As I don't feel he lied (and freely admit I could be wrong about that) I will vote for him, but only as a puppet to whoever has the other role. I don't think that Nemy would lead as well as anybody else running and so would not look to him to be the public voice. But I do feel that saving him is a benefit worth the risk.
Well what you are doing for nemy would be basically the same idea for the more skilled players.
So for instance, who would you rather have in office Ver or nemy. This would mean 1 would most likely die if not in office. So do you feel if Nemy was in office, that our chances of winning would be greater?
IMO i think it would hurt us. Cause even if we can use Nemy for his DT abilities (If he is not lying) that is a skill once a night.
Where Ver, Mynock, Ace, Cob's and ext. skills (if not even blue) are working at all time. Those skills to me are more valuable right there! An analyzer would be a lot more valuable cause they are working around the clock giving us this information.
Nemy's part as a DT would only come in after these guys probably made a very good persuasive argument. Just as a note I'm not saying trust these guys full heartily I am just using them as examples/place holders, you can switch them with anyone who you think is trust worthy and a skillful analyzer.
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I am about to go watch the redwings game and i might have shopping to do after.
I'll be back later guys. I don't know how long i'll be gone for. (having family over too to watch this game)
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On May 18 2009 06:42 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 06:29 Ace wrote:
no, because unlike you I didn't say I had multiple messages from people asking about my role.
You got caught lying. And now you're trying to avoid the situation. All my lynching efforts are pointing squarely at you from now on. Wait... you didn't want to lynch me before this? jk  I don't get why you want my PMs so bad seeing as how they are merely exchanges between Incog and myself on who we feel are mafia candidates... something I'd rather not detail to the public. Incog can verify this if he feels like it. - As for the lying situation... yes I got caught lying. Last time I checked this game revolves a lot around deceit and dishonesty. It'll be interesting to read this game once it's over and see who was full of more shit: me? or you? (although we both know how that's going to turn out don't we? )
Frustrates me so much. If you are innocent there is no real reason for you to lie. The moment you realized you did something so stupid you might as well have come out telling the truth.
The only people who really need to be deceit and dishonest are mafia and those guys who are trying to lure mafia out.
What was the point of even lying to the town?
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Mynock, i was curious, why not keep him alive? (For now he maybe the best choice but if we find a better choice to lynch then move onto them.)
We can just ignore him and if he is a dt we can try to use his r/c asap.
And if Mafia kill him, meh he is going to die anyway right?
Hmm, i know there is negative things about doing this, but i am just throwing it out there as just a thought.
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On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:
here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post.
Gotta love this town.
If it makes you feel better, I read ver's post.
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On May 18 2009 11:35 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 11:33 Tricode wrote:On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:
here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post.
Gotta love this town. If it makes you feel better, I read ver's post. I read Ver's post too! Kinda makes me think that he is the traitor 
Lol do you really think you're in a position to say things like this right now ;p?
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On May 18 2009 11:33 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 11:25 Mynock wrote:
Oh, forgot, why lynch nemY? I have said this a thousand times and will say it once more: confusion is BAD for the Town. nemY provided PLENTY of it. Look at the process of the elections. It was turned upside down with his help, and that's not a good thing. Also, he was lying. He might have innocent motives behind it, but he's just not helping his own cause nor Town. Even IF he is who he claims he is, he made some bad moves, and as a distraction, is best removed. If he turns out blue, that's too bad, but it's still better than lynch anybody on a hunch or random chances. why not protect him with medics, get him to do a role check and post it and then kill him after? That way if hes blue at least you get something out of it, and if hes mafia, he'll still be killed. It doesnt make a lot of sense to make him your first day lynch. If you lynch him first day and he turns out blue, I will be HIGHLY suspicious of you.
I don't really think he should have protection. He fucked up bad. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on him imo. What if he turns to be the traitor?
The whole point is, Nemy fucked up bad and there is a price to pay for that. Is his role that so important that we should give him a medic instead of someone else that could be more valuable? We only get 2 you know.
In either case, Nemy looks like he will either get lynched or killed off by mafia. if he doesn't w/e he could still be traitor or we can use his R/Cs and C/Cs as fast as we can. (if he is DT, this is not a guarantee)
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On May 18 2009 11:44 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 11:29 Tricode wrote:
Mynock, i was curious, why not keep him alive? (For now he maybe the best choice but if we find a better choice to lynch then move onto them.)
We can just ignore him and if he is a dt we can try to use his r/c asap.
And if Mafia kill him, meh he is going to die anyway right?
Hmm, i know there is negative things about doing this, but i am just throwing it out there as just a thought. Thought you were watching a redskins game with family or something. Or is that over?
Was watching Redwings. Apparently it started at 3pm eastern standard time.
When it finished, my cousin kinda left at 7eastern standard time. Then I went to best buy for this special thing they were having.
Got me a free mini laptop moues and I won $50 bestbuy gift certificate in a raffle they had.
I been catching up on the posts and putting my thoughts. Though right now I'm still really geeked and surprised i won.
I was the first number called.
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On May 18 2009 11:47 0cz3c wrote:
Hey nemY, if you really wanted to prove that you're a DT, you'd place your vote on me. Let's hope that starts the bandwagon I'm expecting.
I'll vote for you, after you get 10 votes for me ;p deal?
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Holy crap...Nemy is definitely to close for comfort with votes.
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On May 18 2009 13:52 L wrote:
No, i wasn't attempting to 'dominate' anything. My position was never that I was a superior player, ergo people should shut up and listen to me. I dealt with issues with reasoning.
Mynock? I'm pretty sure I was pointing a "that bitch is suspicious" finger at him.
Fine, he didn't make it into office. What is your concern? We can never fully trust Ver and Ace or you probably can and take that risk, that's up to you.
But either case, I do believe it is better then nemy. If you want to talk about suspicion then, Nemy is one of the highest in suspicion of being the traitor, if he is not DT.
There is not much we can do now anyways and even if we could do something before, if i recall correctly you only argued to get Nemy into office.
You should of focused on getting people you feel that are less suspicious and still cause less trouble then Nemy did.
For example BC or Showtime (if you consider them less specious and better candidates) you should have focused in trying to get them or who ever into office if you really didn't like the canadidates we chose.
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On May 18 2009 14:03 L wrote:
MY CONCERN IS THAT HIS TWO BEST BUDDIES DID, AND WE NOW HAVE A DT REVEALED.
And I've said multiple times that I think that the way people voted for showtime was a bit off, not to the point of being mafia, but there was something very odd with a 4 vote surge all within 2 hours of each other then everyone gave up and showtime posted minimally.
Yeah a DT revealed that should have never revealed himself or just a traitor.
Either case, nothing can be done now for Nemy. So I suggest moving on for what is going to happen next.
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Didn't Ace say something about Dota?
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On May 18 2009 15:26 L wrote:According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies. Contradiction. You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either. Show nested quote +nemy's actions have kicked off a flurry of discussion that was great for collecting data. he's not the only player who revealed his role. This is very true.
What someone else who revealed their role? Preposterous! I blame BloodyC0bbler.
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On May 18 2009 15:38 MrBabyHands wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 15:26 L wrote:According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies. Contradiction. You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either. nemy's actions have kicked off a flurry of discussion that was great for collecting data. he's not the only player who revealed his role. This is very true. lol. everybody has patterns in their playing style... quirks in how they react to a situation that they cant easily hide. the good players have small quirks. but they're still there. but its certainly playing to my strength to sit back and collect data to use in my analysis. its what i do, and i do it well... its how i figured you out.
I am curious what you mean by you figured L out.
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uhm, not to defend Ace to much here, but what if that is how Ace actually thinks?
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No, what i am saying is, what if Ace really thinks he has no consistent playing style?
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forget it n/m. not going to get into this, it's stupid.
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