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well finally done reading. I don't have much to say except I agree. L your being a little too rage even for me I am not too sure about either candidate, but Ace seems almost reasonable by his usual douche standards. I voted Ver and am waiting for the day post. I do believe that you read way too much into Ace support Ver/Mynock. It was basically one line that coincided with his "DON'T ELECT NEMY BECAUSE HES A FUCK FACE MORON, ELECT QUALITY LEADERSHIP"
Do I think if Nemy, Ver, Mynock, and Ace were all guaranteed 100% innocent that nemy would be BY FAR the worst qualified candidate? you fucking bet. I would certainly take a townie ver/ace/mynock over a super cracked out DT/Jack(if there was one) nemy just because they are much more skilled at leading or guiding.
The only reason I wanted to vote for nemy was because I believed his behavior coincided with innocence. I guess I still do, not much to dissuade me either way except his clue check which looked pretty good.
I was having trouble reading Ver and Ace so I didn't want to vote them. That was all.
Ace didn't want a bad player in office, even if he was 100% confirmed innocent (Not saying nemy was) he wanted someone who was a strong leader regardless. Which is why his line referred to supporting the three musketeers over nemy.
that was the logic there, besides that Ace didn't really say much in regards to them. I am sure by tomorrow nemy will be either dead or have a valuable role check to work with.
As for the current situation, Ver is being too quiet, I don't know what the deal is there. But there is also some decent clues towards him with some suspicious behavior. I would have to say decent chance of him being mafia/traitor.
Oh and Ace, I have decided to change my stance on day one DT role calling. I thought you would be happy.
The drama it invokes is barely good for behavioral interpretation because of the views of you and many others of just KILL the suspected DT first. Which the mafia would also agree with. So it doesn't help much assuming MOST people think like that.
In short, if you are a DT, don't fucking role call Day 1. If you are dumb enough to flip up with your behavior and think you give yourself away, don't make it the towns problem and draw definite attention to yourself. Maybe you are just being paranoid. Try to do whatever you can to change teh thoughts of you being DT away from you. Its not that hard so don't be a jackass and cause chaos, which I agree ONLY helps the movie.
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On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.
What happens if Ver flips towns?
What happens if both candidates are mafia?
If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.
If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.
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On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead? Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round: Show nested quote +From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.
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What do u think about L? Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.
lol the style change wouldn't even be that much except last time he went APE SHIT INSANE in regards to lynching versatile and we were all like "Seriously, calm the fuck down" then he disappeared for 4 days and turned out he was mafia.
Maybe he decided just not to shut up this time and that was the change? Who knows.
I also find it odd how many people just remained voted on Ver the entire time during the election considering he never really spoke at all.
I figure we compare that with how many people just stayed the voting for Ace list.
That is of course if Ver is mafia.
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On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.
What happens if Ver flips towns?
What happens if both candidates are mafia? If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to. If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much. 1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can. 2. And if they're both mafia?
There is only like 3 people not reading/posting/voting actively. Using people who get bored like that are most likely town not the only vigi who when he makes his hit can tell us and we can figure out how qatol makes his clues.
Also 0cz3c stop posting retarded 1 liners. Your just posting enough for us to not look at you as inactive but never contributing much. Its just suspicious, although I will admit usually its a nice comic relief amid the arguing of Ace and L. I also think that you reinforced Ace's idea for role checking candidates is your way of just kind of laughing as you basically tell the town "ROLE CHECK ME! I am mafia" Its a type of arrogance to be able to say "Hey come on, I am mafia!" but are just blending in so well that we don't even notice, even though you are practically shouting it from the rooftops.
On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.
What happens if Ver flips towns?
What happens if both candidates are mafia? If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to. If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much. 1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can. 2. And if they're both mafia?
Ace will eventually do more shit that is not beneficial to the town and we will kill him too. Its simple. He can't pardon himself.
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On May 21 2009 03:05 Ace wrote:
Ver and I are both Mafia
Vigi - kill L tonight.
HE ADMITTED IT! AND HE WANTS US TO WASTE TEH VIGI HIT!
scum
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Oh and to follow up on my post about 0cz3c and in regards to the death of BOTH BG's
While the leaking both is possible but unlikely. Here is what I think is more likely. One of them was leaked and the other was behavior killed. That seems most reasonable on how BOTH BG's could die in a single night.
Now how the leaking could of gone about, I don't know. But if I had to guess I would say that Lucas might of been leaked. Lets just pretend for a minute that 0cz3c is indeed mafia. Lucas is his twin brother. 0cz3c could of either went on his account/computer and saw his role or maybe lucas thought he could read his brothers play style and said his role.
Mikeymoo was trying to stay out of the spotlight which might of got him pinned as a blue. Seems reasonable enough, doesn't it?
Just keep in mind 0cz3c's posting behavior as I stated earlier, along with the possibility of role leaking from his brother. In a veteran game if you don't think many will get tricked into revealing there roles, whats the most logical reasoning after that? It is against the rules but we can't prove it and its just modest speculation on my part.
I think this is the most reasonable account of how both BG's could have died, which would also implicate a mafia.
If lucas really suspected Ace/Ver of being traitor/mafia or something, he wouldn't tell them his role.
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wait, did you just call me mafia?
lolwtf? It also opens the option of why if a mafia is in office they would kill 2 BGs. It was an accident. Only purposely hit one. If mafia know BGs and have someone in office they sometimes do that because it gives them the ability to just quick kill the other BG later in the game and then get the other elected official.
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Hmm, I guess what I said earlier could also implicate Ver a little bit? Hes really good at blue sniping and could of thought that Mikeymoo was a medic. I think a medic and a BG would have similar behavior. While a DT would try to subtly reveal his information and hope not to get noticed for what he is, a medic has to do that but not reveal information. The same with a BG. They try not to get hit.
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EBWOP: Once again, that is just pure speculation.
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On May 21 2009 05:24 HeavOnEarth wrote:Seconded. Just a side note that L did the exact same thing as mafia last game. it was quite hilarious how he never got caught though XD
lol I am pretty sure I said this on the last page.
Or I was thinking it as I was typing.
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On May 21 2009 11:09 MTF wrote:
O, and seeing as you're looking for voting stuff, look at the current situation:
Ver's Mayoral Voter List:
BloodyC0bbler
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
dreamflower
RebirthOfLeGenD
Vivi57
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Incognito <-- from Showtime
Malongo <-- from Ace
LucasWoJ
Ace Current Lynching List:
L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver
Italics are overlapped. Dreamflower has only ever posted in the thread to defend herself and Scaramanga has been even more inactive, yet they both voted in Ver and are both gunning for Ace.
If Ver is Mafia and some of those who voted for him also are, and now they want to switch over to Ace, they're doing a pretty poor job of it right now.
I am a couple of pages back, but for the record.
I voted Caller.
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THIS IS CLEARLY MALONGO's FAULT.
Also, fucking Vigi 0cz3c.
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I am tired of his "I am going to write but not get noticed" post style.
You must die mafia scum.
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Alright, whatever. Chin up town!
Lets take some notice of some of the weird shit in voting. If somehow Ver is not red or traitor, or god knows what the fuck.
Here is the mayoral vote compared with the current vote. Something odd I noticed was how stationary Ver's voters were considering the odd way the mayoral race was playing out. Almost all of Ace's votes changed around, only MBH never changed who he was voting for. The rest did.
Ver however had like 6 votes throughout the ENTIRE election. Now lets look which Ver voters seemed to have pushed this last vote.
Mayor voting.
On May 18 2009 13:31 Qatol wrote:Ver - 8
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BloodyC0bbler
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
dreamflower
RebirthOfLeGenD
Vivi57
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Incognito <-- from Showtime
Malongo <-- from Ace
LucasWoJ
Lynch voting.
On May 21 2009 13:35 Qatol wrote:
Ace - 14
Caller
0cz3c
L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver
Ver
Ver
Ver
Caller <-- from MTF
RebirthOfLeGenD
Incognito <-- from BloodyC0bbler
infundibulum
Tricode
Among those several people match up to having voted both.
The biggest is infundibulum. During voting mayor voting he NEVER changed off of Ver.
During this lynch vote, he voted Ace last second in order to be one of the votes that turned the tide to kill Ace.
Scaramanga who was one of the later votes on Ace, as well as one of the solid votes on Ver during the election.
There is also Dreamflower who is a self proclaimed Vigi who voted for both without wavering.
BloodyCobbler also voted without changing for Ver as well as voting for Ace to be lynched.
that is all. Maybe I will make another list with colors later.
Infundi should be a primary lynch target next round, considering this and clue linkage.
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I guess that is true. I can't remember the clue on you anyway. But yeah, I am waiting. I still has mah suspectzz.
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yeah, I was about to say I suggest we vigi hit 0cz3c.
Ver's analysis's are usually pretty good and I believe he said all of 0cz3cs above mentioned people are MOST LIKELY innocent. Except me, who he wasn't sure about.
0cz3c, before I even saw his list I thought you were suspicious.
0cz3c's behavior becomes slightly difficult to read because in 3/5 games he was acting retarded (if you were in the games, you know what I mean) and as Ver said before, I suspect that the mafia were lying low for most of the game and just watching us hang ourselves.
You posted just enough to not be viewed as inactive, just enough to not help at all, and just enough to fuel some fires. In previous games you did everything you could do to be noticed. Now that you are mafia amid all the sheer chaos that has been going on the last two days, you just tried to stay away from it.
Unfortunately the votes list really don't help us because they were both fucking town :/ So that post on page 75 means almost nothing. Now it seems you are trying to start a new wave of shit when NemY can finally try to use his role check within 24 hours if he is a DT, Caller (according to Ver) is most likely innocent. I don't really know, but not much stood out to me.
and me, the person who accused you a few pages back and I guess is any easy suspect considering my Zerg rush on to Ace? Who knows. Either way they were both innocent, which makes me feel better about being dumb and guided by the chaos, but also makes the town more in trouble.
So L, where are you going from here? I am curious. I think the vigi should just hit 0cz3c. It seems reasonable.
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1 0cz3c shut the hell up. I said I suspected you a while before I posted that. Coincidentally I posted my thoughts on you AGAIN right after your 3 word post on me. I am at work right now, when I get home sure we can argue.
I admit I was considering you for the vigi hit earlier, but I figure there isn't much clues on you (You don't give much to work with) but we will see if anything more pops up. Theres a chance that theres nothng too distinct yet.
But for now I am okay with the MBH vigi and getting info from nemy.
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EBWOPZ: I have a suspect list of four people, Right now I can only remember having Scara, 0cz3c and MBH.
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lol Caller if you are indeed mafia that is the most interesting last words I think were possible, whether it be a taunt or a red herring 
Also 0cz3c I had no idea you were capable of a coherent thought. Holy shit, after this post I am going to have to bring my A-Game if I still think you are suspicious. I was at work and I was distracted by a customer, I believe my second line was my second point. The keyboards there are also at a funny angle so my sentence structure looks different.
You can actually substantially notice the differences if you actually read other games, since I play at work usually 10% of the time. They usually involve less words and seem rushed compared to rest of the things I write. Also way more typos because they don't use Mozilla, they use IE
Your also still acting weird, you just accused me, BC, and bockit of being mafia when we said we suspect you and began to lash out. Whatever, lets wait for this beautiful day post.
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