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On December 31 2008 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:12 ShadowDrgn wrote:
You're an insane dt.... or mafia. Or i am a regular DT and i just snagged a mafia in the first go. Everygame pretty well needs something to get the game started, but there is always someone who has to sacrifice themself to do this. I merely stepped up to the plate this game, and went for someone I knew was influential that most people forget about. Every single game people will check out Ace and Ver, but they always forget about the people behind the scenes who help these games, in this game we have mynock, camlito and mikeymoo. Mynock in posting usually gives away he has a role, Camlito will post accordingly to his role, and mikey can hide decentlyish if he wants to. This makes him extremely dangerous, so i chose to check him. As such I Rolechecked Mikeymoo He flipped Mafia. Now as i said, i could be the insane dt, or the sane dt. Either way, either another dt could come forward with a roleclaim on mikey(we have 3 uses each) or the jack could as if the game is like last, the jack is always sane. Or we can use our first day lynch to kill mikey, if he flips green im the insane DT, the other dts can then realize they are sane, and we dont bandwagon kill someone based off day 1 analysis, which is not the way to go usually. So I stress, we can easily determine if I am a sane DT or an insane one, and that would be decided as soon as he is lynched, then that will free things up for the other dt's hopefully and get the ball rolling on the town getting organized.
Well, I'd like to believe you because you are essentially sacrificing yourself. But I still can't clear you regardless if he turns red or green. Why? This is because there's isn't a really good way to confirm you without using other DTs/Jack's rolechecks. You can be:
1) DT, which is what you claim.
a) You are insane, other DTs don't know they are sane 100% until you die and your role is revealed.
b) You are sane, other DTs don't know if they are sane or not 100%, until you die and your role is revealed. Another way to get DT alignments... is all check the same person (i suppose in this case mikeymoo). If mikeymoo gets lynched and flips green/red, then you guys (DTs) can figure out who is sane/insane. Might be a waste of checks, but this clears up alignments really fast.
2) Meth Dealer
a) you are trying to draw a mafia hit onto you.
3) Any other town role (which after writing this I think this situation is garbage)
a) speaking on pure chance... which I don't think is the case
b) speaking for another role. But it's very hard to trust that other person at this point in the game.
4) Village Idiot
5) Mafia
a) attempting to gain town support.
Regardless of what color he flips, if mikeymoo goes down, I am still hard pressed to believe you until you die. The main problem is that I don't really find out anything until you (BC) die. Thus, I think the best plan would be 1) lynch mikeymoo. 2) lynch BC. Important information is revealed if you die. Obviously, a double lynch will speed things up, but I'm not sure that is quite necessary.
Worst case scenario is that BC is another random town role and mikeymoo is green >.>
I have no idea BC's behavior is pointing towards good or bad since I haven't played mafia with you guys (TL.net) but yeah, behavioral analysis... if you guys think he's clean based off behavior, I'd like to know via PM. Using BC's strategy, most likely both of them will die/be lynched otherwise.
Hopefully that made sense... God, i post so fucking slow (mikeymoo already has a response)
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Ace's analysis:
Lynch BC first (DTs potentially clear themselves before the next day's voting = good)
Lynch BC second (DTs potentially clear themselves day 3 = not as good as lynching BC first)
I agree with your logic so far.
1) If BC is DT (which I hope is the case)
a) other DTs clear alignments after Night Phase.
- if BC is confirmed insane.... then mikeymoo is green
- if BC is confirmed sane.... then mikeymoo is red
BUT mikeymoo claims himself blue, so if BC is also blue, I think there's a sure mafia hit in mikeymoo regardless because mikeymoo defended himself poorly as a mafia.
b) mikeymoo is blue (which mikey claims and no one else has said otherwise) and BC was going out on a whim (which I hope is not the case and I don't think is the case)
2) If BC is mafia
a) mikeymoo is more likely innocent than guilty
-if innocent, mikeymoo claims he's blue
-if guilty, nice act (BC and mikey)
3) If BC is village idiot
a) waste of my time T_T
4) BC is any other role besides DT/mafia/Village Idiot
a) mikeymoo's alignment is completely unknown
With scenario 1 or 2, i think they both die... Mikeymoo... why did you roleclaim yourself blue?
But I think I agree with Ace? Lynch BC first?
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Okay, here's some clue analysis...
Beat it -> Bockit
BI, JBI, SBI are consistently capitalized in the lyrics. Beat It, Just Beat It, So Beat It. Now obviously Bockit has only 1 capitalized letter, but iunno I just saw Bock It and figured I just throw this out there. And of course, there are multiple things capitalized in the lyrics, but there are also some words that aren't capitalized.
You have to show them that you’re really not scared (omitted) -> JeeJee
JeeJee's profile talks about fear and conquering fear quoting Franz Stampfl. Caller omitted this particular line/phrase from the Day 1 post. Now this omission could mean nothing at all, but again I think throwing this out there would be nice as well.
I don't know if these 2 particular users are acting as they normally would. And if I die overnight, don't be mislead by my clues. Mafia would gladly kill someone giving off false clues in hopes that those false clues lead the town in the wrong direction. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.
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Okay Ver, your analysis... vs. Latham's actions.
Latham so far as made 2 posts... Page 3
On December 31 2008 03:41 Latham wrote:
Someone do a clue analysis plz because I don't even see clues in there.
and Page 4
On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber.
Then you say. "K mafia" and he doesn't respond to your comment.
You have pretty solid behavioral analysis. I think it deserves some merit.
I would like to think BC is VI now... and MM's role is relatively unknown blue, but with Ace's analysis... BC first would be nice and if MM can some how get cleared, it'll be interesting to see how Latham reacts.
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Oh yeah, some more clue analysis...
Beat it -> Rage
Well, if you rage at a person or some thing... I suppose one thing you do is Beat It.
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On December 31 2008 20:44 Latham wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2008 18:21 JL13 wrote:Okay Ver, your analysis... vs. Latham's actions. Latham so far as made 2 posts... Page 3 Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 03:41 Latham wrote:
Someone do a clue analysis plz because I don't even see clues in there. and Page 4 Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 05:49 Latham wrote:
Hell, let's just lynch mike and if he flips blue/green next time lets lynch cobber. Then you say. "K mafia" and he doesn't respond to your comment. You have pretty solid behavioral analysis. I think it deserves some merit. I would like to think BC is VI now... and MM's role is relatively unknown blue, but with Ace's analysis... BC first would be nice and if MM can some how get cleared, it'll be interesting to see how Latham reacts. Hi. I live in Belgium. You live in the U.S. regardless of where you live I'd say there's a -8h timezone between us. When you post, it's the middle of the night for me and I'm sleeping. Guess what else? A majority of TLers are from the U.S. and that's why I just woke up to find 8 pages of reading to do. Hell if you want to lynch me, it certainly wont change much for me this game since I'm green. I also think that clues in form of lyrics from songs (especially from MJ's songs) are just plain retarded. If it will make you feel better I read 9 pages total and decided to change my vote.
That is true, and I will take that into account. Of course, I happened to post that at 0321 PST (my time), which puts it at 1221 (your time) making it the middle of the night for me. Now obviously I realize you probably have much better stuff to do than to post in TL mafia when you first wake up or that you may have a job to do or have family to tend for, hence why your post comes in at 1444 (your time) or that you enjoy sleeping in late.
It's mainly that Ver's analysis did a really good job pinpointing you out and I had a strong feeling that BC was VI after reading that, making MM seem more and more innocent.
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Oh yeah. DTs... I would recommend that you all save your checks until we know for sure who is being lynched. That is a sure-fire way to determine which of you is insane and which of you is sane.
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Really quickly, here is one potential Code Names that Caller has assigned to Mafia. Currently reading right now. I'll post more stuff afterwords.
"Ghostface Killah"
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Here is a little clue analysis for now.
"Struck you - A Crescendo" -> Hyperbola
To those who don't know, a crescendo in music means to play that particular part of the song louder and louder. And then a hyperbola is a graphical representation of a curved lined going up then back down (like a hill) or vice versa (like a dip). This is a weak correlation between the two, but since "A crescendo" was repeated twice in the lyrics, I think this is something to look at. But since a hyperbola increases halfway, and a crescendo is increasing in volume, this may be a close relation.
Smooth Criminal -> Incognito
So a smooth criminal would be someone who can conceal his identity well. In fact, Caller's mafia role: Smooth Criminal has zero clues about him except the Code Name. With this bit of analysis, I assume Smooth Criminal is the actual code name for the mafia role: smooth criminal.
I don't believe these are nearly as strong as my analysis on JeeJee in Day 1 though =(
+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2008 17:48 JL13 wrote:
Okay, here's some clue analysis...
Beat it -> Bockit
BI, JBI, SBI are consistently capitalized in the lyrics. Beat It, Just Beat It, So Beat It. Now obviously Bockit has only 1 capitalized letter, but iunno I just saw Bock It and figured I just throw this out there. And of course, there are multiple things capitalized in the lyrics, but there are also some words that aren't capitalized.
You have to show them that you’re really not scared (omitted) -> JeeJee
JeeJee's profile talks about fear and conquering fear quoting Franz Stampfl. Caller omitted this particular line/phrase from the Day 1 post. Now this omission could mean nothing at all, but again I think throwing this out there would be nice as well.
I don't know if these 2 particular users are acting as they normally would. And if I die overnight, don't be mislead by my clues. Mafia would gladly kill someone giving off false clues in hopes that those false clues lead the town in the wrong direction. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.
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And my thoughts on nevake/Lucas...
Nevake is pretty much asking himself to be lynched. It is very likely that he's zombie. I don't see why any other role would ask to be lynched minus yet another Village Idiot? But based off interaction between nevake/Lucas makes me believe he's not VI.
So assuming Nevake is zombie and he claims he is.. the only main thing we lose is an opportunity to get a mafia. Lucas says he's green???
I don't have any thoughts on a double lynch yet, I need to think this one over some more.
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On January 02 2009 14:17 mikeymoo wrote:
Oh sick zombies can make kills whenever? That's pretty tight.
I'm going to come out and say this now: I was targeted last night.
Here's the clue I got:
"Something shrieked above your head and left holes in the curtains. But there was nothing else to be seen."
Mafia pretty much knew I was blue, so this isn't surprising.
Okay, I think this is the strongest clue I've seen next to the one I have on JeeJee?
Something shrieked above your head -> Hawk
Well... hawks fly above their prey and swoop silently to kill. Hawks also have loud shrieks.
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On January 02 2009 16:11 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 16:06 JL13 wrote:On January 02 2009 14:17 mikeymoo wrote:
Oh sick zombies can make kills whenever? That's pretty tight.
I'm going to come out and say this now: I was targeted last night.
Here's the clue I got:
"Something shrieked above your head and left holes in the curtains. But there was nothing else to be seen."
Mafia pretty much knew I was blue, so this isn't surprising. Okay, I think this is the strongest clue I've seen next to the one I have on JeeJee? Something shrieked above your head -> HawkWell... hawks fly above their prey and swoop silently to kill. Hawks also have loud shrieks. but they also left holes in the curtains
sigh, didn't really look past that part... Ruins my logic =( but hawks have beaks... they can leave holes in curtains... I guess if a hawk flies fast enough, then it can pierce through a curtain, too?
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Another thing:
Michael Jackson -> LucasWoJ
Even though his profile is a bunch of randomness and contains clues that can lead to anything (probably made as a joke)... Michael Jackson is in that profile and well... we've gotten two of MJ's songs so far.
Obviously... an ultra weak link... =(
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On January 03 2009 05:56 mikeymoo wrote:
Alright, extra clue from a DT who requested it from caller!
Raekwon:
And if you want beef then get Muhammed
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit
Straight from the motherfucking slum that's busted
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit
My 2 cents...
Muhammed -> CynanMachae
Cynan's signature contains a quote by Savior and Muhammed was the key, central figure in Islamic religion. He was a prophet and can be regarded as a "Savior" for Islamic religion.
Muhammed -> RebirthofLegend
Weaker link than Cynan. But "Become a Legend" can also refer to Muhammed's legendary status among Muslims.
Straight from the motherfucking slum that's busted -> randombum
Well... bums live in slums?
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On January 03 2009 06:22 mikeymoo wrote:Clue analysis sent to me via PM: ok so i was listening to wu tang and i realized something, RZA (the founder, founded another group called gravediggaz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Heros)Pinkthat's the profile of herospink that seems VERY CONNECTED also, this is a stretch but ol' dirty bastard's other nickname is dirt mcgirt and nevake has a picture of a girl with the word soil on her shirt.
Wow, nice catch there on Heros)Pink. I think this has merit. I'm thinking a lynch on Heros)Pink would be a good idea if we can't sort this nevake/Lucas ordeal out.
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so I finally get a chance to check this board... and fuck... reading/doing clue analysis and hopefully I get a post off before the day ends...
I also suggest... use Day 1 and 2 clues as well. This is quite obvious, but there may be some overlapping between days and we can single out these clues. It's commonly a mistake to only look at the current day's clues. Atm, I have no idea... will get back to you later but I think MidnightGladius is a boondock and I don't think lynching him would be a good idea, assuming he still has a hit left...
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A few reasons why I think MG is not mafia...
Michael (possible vigi)
Midnight hour is close at hand...
bell rang at 12...
A few reasons why MG could be mafia....
ODB (possible mafia)
It's close to midnight and something evil lurks in the dark.
AND read previous post by Malongo...
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Let's also revisit Mikeymoo's clue
"Something shrieked above your head and left holes in the curtains. But there was nothing else to be seen."
That is a pretty concrete clue rather than just looking through all the day posts.
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Is there an official announcement from Caller about this current game's status???
I am still playing or planning on playing, just to let you all know.
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@everyone in general
I just happened to not have access to a computer with internet recently since I was at home with parents for new years =(.
@ kuja900 and players who post similar to this particular user...
I'm completely fine with your tactics. I mean seriously everyone, at least these guys post and keep me (at least) entertained. But, it's really easy to vote for you guys if you post the way you do. You guys don't really offer any help.
@ inactive greens.....
If you sign up to play a game... be a man and show some commitment. Yes, I am calling out your manhood! ^_^ j/k. Even if you post nothing. At least let everyone know you exist by abstaining in the vote thread.
@ any remaining DTs
I am gonna roleclaim myself townie. If you STILL haven't figured out if you are insane/sane yet... check me.
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Oh and clue analysis:
I believe malongo pointed this out, but I think "white-faced beast" is a HUGE clue for a mafia member. I am going to post analysis tomorrow (when I don't have class) and its 3am right now and I want to sleep.
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