EPTthe crazy roles made it so confusing, and everyone was kinda messin around
i think its time for a mafia break lol
PS. i'm green
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
the crazy roles made it so confusing, and everyone was kinda messin around i think its time for a mafia break lol PS. i'm green | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
Let's go over the status of this game: first night the mafia either had inside information or got incredibly lucky nailing 3/5 members of a certain group including our jack. It's highly likely they didn't know everything because the suicide bomber died to camlito's shady dealings, but its also pretty unlikely that they didn't know anything. I'll come back to this in a sec. Second night of the game, the mafia whiffed on every single one of their hits, getting neither priority kills (i,e MM) or blues, and I believe that they were trying to fish for quiet blues (several of those guys barely said a thing) and either suck at targeting or just got unlucky. Either way, they were at the limit of their information on roles. This should assuage some people's fears; if there were any mafia roles in groups besides scara's, we would've seen blue heads rolling, even if it was only one or two a night. We have a couple options on how to proceed: 1. Go back to previous lynch subjects. I do find it odd how we have jumped around on people to kill with great haste. -On day 1, it was a BC vs MM debate. Since then, BC has proven to be VI and MM blue. With no other information I available, I tried to get the town to switch off from a surely pointless lynch on BC or an uncertain lynch on MM to a low risk medium reward one on Latham (had nothing on him besides fitting a common mafia behavior pattern and there was nobody better). Since then Latham went inactive, which doesn't really tell anything because he could either be bored townie or silent mafia. With no further information we should just ignore this, although it was still really stupid to lynch BC/MM. -On day 2, it was originally a duel between Nevake/Lucas. Then 0zc3c presented himself to be lynched for some bizarre reason?? Then there was a clue linked to Heros)Pink. Then RoL took the head of the town and ordered a double lynch on 0zc3c and heros pink. In the end the vote riggers didn't cooperate and only pink died. This is probably for the better though because I thought/think 0zc3c is innocent. -On day 3, there was mass confusion at the start, with chaoser saying to kill mikeymoo because he was silenced while others wanted revenge on 0zc3c, then some wanted to kill lucas from day 2 while others wanted to kill midnightgladius on clues. During this chaos either one vote rigger or both messed with things to get kuja/rebirth killed. GG attackzerg. So far on our lynches we've hit 1 VI and 3 townies, while on vigi kills we hit 1 mafia and 1 townie. These are the people who were considered at one point or another that are still alive: -MM. On the assumption that he had been converted. Bad idea unless a DT confirms it, as he's too valuable to lose just on that 'assumption.' -0zc3c. I think he's green and I think that we shouldn't waste anymore lynches based on killing off useless people who just create chaos (i,e kuja, bc, and heros pink). -Nevake/Lucas. They are tied together. Either a) one is mafia or b) neither is mafia, but if we go through with killing one we need to kill the other assuming the first comes up innocent. I would like to hear what each of them thinks about the revised situation now. I don't want this to just be passed under the carpet because it was glossed over last time before we reached a conclusion. I have my thoughts but I'll wait until the day post to say anything more. -Another list/point brought up by Mikey: + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2009 13:13 mikeymoo wrote: Another PM, could be same guy, could be different. "Here is a list imo of potential mafia based purely off posting behavior. Latham Inertinept Night]Mare Showtime! More_Minerals Kuja900 They either say a ton of nonsense (quite irritating), don't offer clue analysis, or haven't posted recently." Heros)Pink, is the guy PMing me is mafia and the clue is wrong, then he dies too. Easy as that. You just shrug off/get angry at any accusation. Maybe you've just got a short fuse, but I personally like the clue. -My name was mentioned also by Lucas and Rebirth independently. I don't know why rebirth wants to kill me but Lucas's suspicion is based off of a false logic pattern + me being afk and not replying back to something till now. -I can conjure some stuff up behavior wise when I do my clue analysis, but overall there is very little evidence to go off here; the town has been way too passive in getting public information and its almost too little too late for that anymore with everyone inactive now. 2. Try to figure out the conversion target and take that out. The conversion damage depends on the target. Getting someone like Mikeymoo is an immediate payoff, where the mafia essentially sacrifice their conversion target to gain a ton of role info as he can be easily found out. On the opposite end of the spectrum, if they get someone like me who knows no roles, they need to have me kept alive and are converting based on long term value. Frankly I would not be surprised at all if I was converted tonight. My inactivity may have done some measure but why else would I be kept alive this long? There should be 2 DTs and I assume they have an RC left (I hope so). Given the number of mislynches and lack of information (i,e 'this guy showed up as green/red but the dt doesn't know his sanity'), either mikey has all the info and will reveal upon being unsilenced assuming he lives, or DTs have a check left. This is crucial in preventing say a mislynch of mikey. TBH I only think there are a few good targets for them to convert and some of them might not be feasible due to possible medics etc. That said, for whoever is behind the scenes, you must be more familiar with who is likelier to be converted than I, and it is more likely in PM's where these subtle changes in behavior are shown. Almost all my contacts are dead so I'm totally left out of the loop here and can't really say anything more specific. I'll do some clue analysis tomorow. Hopefully by then we'll have some more information to work with. But I do think that if we don't go with option two we do need to rely on clues more than I'd like. So far we are between 1/2-1/5 on clue based killings (I don't know what evidence the people who caused the deaths of kuja/rol/clazz had on them besides kuja acting dumb and a ton of people pm'ing me about clazz which I missed). Either way things look tough, but as long as we don't let ourselves keep getting sidetracked on all these random escapades that happen everyday we can work through this. And for those despairing about next game or whatever, don't worry about it. I already have a system in place to prevent inactivity and we will be working together to figure out optimal balance before the game starts. It will likely be a much smaller game and yes it will be active because there will be systems in place to ensure that. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I'm more annoyed than anything else. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
-greens inactive mass quitting mafia -kuja900 ( "i think my role will surprise you"...) -epic double voterigger -caller the easy-cluer (nobody understand your clues anyway) -mafia calling town imba I just cant wait to see the next Day. Btw Mm wll be able to post after the new day whoot whoot. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On January 08 2009 05:57 malongo wrote: This is the most messy game ever. Lol at : -greens inactive mass quitting mafia -kuja900 ( "i think my role will surprise you"...) -epic double voterigger -caller the easy-cluer (nobody understand your clues anyway) -mafia calling town imba I just cant wait to see the next Day. Btw Mm wll be able to post after the new day whoot whoot. gee thanks, this makes me want to be productive T_T if nobody is having fun with the game I'll just end it. | ||
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On January 08 2009 07:30 Caller wrote: gee thanks, this makes me want to be productive T_T if nobody is having fun with the game I'll just end it. I think the dead are more active than the living :/ | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
Keep it going, if just a little bit longer. Perhaps inactivity is just their strategy of not drawing fire. The two remaining two meth dealers, and two remaining zombies, on the other hand, are trying to draw mafia fire, but being blatantly obvious with their roles does them no good. With all the blues being quiet, the greens have little incentive to speak as they would give the mafia higher odds at hitting a blue (assuming the mafia eliminates them as a possible blue). And the atmosphere becomes more quiet, so that the mafia has to kill as randomly as we do (well, they have much higher odds I suppose). Others who play stupidly are probably so drenched in shame at this point that posting is the last thing they wish to do right now (I'm referring to those who were stupid enough to give away their roles). The mafia will probably target them this night and they know they can't do anything to protect themselves. Ver, I responded to you by PM. If you wish, we can continue our conversation in public; I have no preferences. Back on track -- Caller, you've devoted a lot of time to this game, so don't end it prematurely. Let it keep running. It's no fun because we're getting destroyed, but I suppose we might still be able to pull it off, depending on how many blues (and mafiosos) get killed tonight. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On January 08 2009 05:57 malongo wrote: This is the most messy game ever. Lol at : -greens inactive mass quitting mafia -kuja900 ( "i think my role will surprise you"...) -epic double voterigger -caller the easy-cluer (nobody understand your clues anyway) -mafia calling town imba I just cant wait to see the next Day. Btw Mm wll be able to post after the new day whoot whoot. /flexes big muscles wuttup | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On January 08 2009 07:30 Caller wrote: gee thanks, this makes me want to be productive T_T if nobody is having fun with the game I'll just end it. Just the opposite. i was pointing that it has been very fun and challenging at the same time to me, the point about you was a little remainder: the clues may be easy to you but thats because you know the answers, i felt a little touched by "the town is being idiot this time". Please let the game go on. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
someone want to clarify? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
oh simple explanation, when me and malongo were on mafia together in BCs game, we were doing that vote swing thing, where last minute we all slammed our votes onto 0cz3c. What happened was I changed my password to temporary for a few hours, the issue was that I had to do something, I can't remember what it was, but I think I had to hand in a paper that was due in like an hour, so I had to drive all the way to school, so voting was going to close. So I was talking with malongo and we agreed that under certain circumstances, if we could get all of the remaining mafia to become active to vote swing, that we would do it. I however was going to be AFK so I gave him my password to vote under my account at the last minute, along with everyone else. If you can check password changing timestamps or anything it syncs up. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you and malongo are the same IP care to explain why you are playing with two accounts in mafia? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On January 08 2009 10:55 malongo wrote: And one more thing caller: Please keep the game exactly as it is right now. Easier clues or mass clues about all mafia is just a shame i rather quit now if you think that the town needs "help". That is a bad way to run a game, ive enjoyed your "fail" msgs but you should keep some grade of fairness in the game: "vote for random people", "the town is being idiot", are bad posts, a Gm you must keep serious when it counts, if theres an imbalance in the game let it be, you CANT fix the game as it goes on, it just kills your own effort. Please town dont take this like "mafia wants to keep the status of the game" i just try to enjoy the game to his fullest. Yeah im townie. TOWN WILL WIN THIS TIME. MAFIA: WE ARE NOTHING TO FUCK WITH. Bring the next day caller i want to try more clue analisis (if im alive). i'm not saying that town's clue analysis is bad i'm saying they're barking up the wrong fucking tree | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On January 08 2009 11:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I was PMed about this. I will clarify, this is the PM conversation between me and Hot_Bid. oh simple explanation, when me and malongo were on mafia together in BCs game, we were doing that vote swing thing, where last minute we all slammed our votes onto 0cz3c. What happened was I changed my password to temporary for a few hours, the issue was that I had to do something, I can't remember what it was, but I think I had to hand in a paper that was due in like an hour, so I had to drive all the way to school, so voting was going to close. So I was talking with malongo and we agreed that under certain circumstances, if we could get all of the remaining mafia to become active to vote swing, that we would do it. I however was going to be AFK so I gave him my password to vote under my account at the last minute, along with everyone else. If you can check password changing timestamps or anything it syncs up. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you and malongo are the same IP care to explain why you are playing with two accounts in mafia? Just to clarify that: all the mafia at that time can witness about that, nevake, ydg, clazziquai, kuja900 Rol and me because there were at least 2 inactives so we couldnt risk to go all in if we werent all agreed. Also it can be checked that the IP issue only occured during THAT day. I have nothing to hide. Also you can check that i changed my password too (but wasnt used as i was logged all the time). EDIT: i dont know who are you sherlock as Rol protected your identity, but please ask Hot_Bid for a country check before going further. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
EDIT: I think Rage made a dumb move this time, i dont care if he was investigating but he should have asked privately before making this public. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
where's the blood no blog post yet so day isn't on the horizon? :O | ||
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