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On December 17 2008 04:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 04:17 Caller wrote:On December 17 2008 04:13 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
if we could associate "robot" to any clue it could be the electricity though works for me ^^ Well i was a bit hasty on that. Yu was smiling when he killed Spiral, i am not sure whether robots can smile. But maybe hes an android or cyborg or something, and still has a human face. If capek is mafia and if the robot idea is even a clue, it's also possible it has not yet appeared in a night post. (I should think things out better before i post so hastily). Furthermore, capek's postings after Night 1 make me think he be a townie. While Fishball and Spikes' behavior lead me to think they are mafia, I don't see anything in the clues yet that relates to them :S
i think the spike to the face is good though.
remember, blue_arrow seemed to be good last game but he was scummy.
and fishball is being fishball, as usual.
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On December 17 2008 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I have been doing a lot lately, but I think I have enough time to go over my thoughts on this mafia game so far. This will mainly be about Ace and what I have observed so far and my thoughts on what we should do.
At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that.
That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics.
As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two.
Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up.
So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely.
Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything.
Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead.
Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore.
I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot.
Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion.
I can confirm that the DT in question is in fact a different person. They had tried to remain anonymous but a silly person leaked the name of the DT to several others, including Ace.
edit: I can also confirm that the DT rolechecked independently.
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On December 17 2008 05:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 04:59 Caller wrote:On December 17 2008 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I have been doing a lot lately, but I think I have enough time to go over my thoughts on this mafia game so far. This will mainly be about Ace and what I have observed so far and my thoughts on what we should do.
At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that.
That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics.
As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two.
Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up.
So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely.
Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything.
Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead.
Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore.
I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot.
Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion. I can confirm that the DT in question is in fact a different person. They had tried to remain anonymous but a silly person leaked the name of the DT to several others, including Ace. edit: I can also confirm that the DT rolechecked independently. wait, do you mean the dt that ace said told him ver was mafia was NOT camilot or that the dt that checked how many mafia voted folca is a different dt?
i don't know about the latter, but the former i am pretty sure was not camlito
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now that you mention it
Camulous could be Mynock.
Slicing? check.
Flying? check.
Fast little fucker? check.
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On December 17 2008 06:26 AttackZerg wrote:
You told me what to do in this thread, I pmed you if you were safe, you said yes, I continued following orders. Don't edit your posts like a bitch, make a new post if your going to add pms and such to a further one, that is an obvious attempt to skew people against me.
Ace got ver killed, true.
Then he told all the medics and everybody else to protect the wrong people and you guys still trust him?
wait what the fuck does protecting the wrong people have anything to do with anything?
are you fucking stupid?
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IM GOIN OFF DA RAILZ ON A CRAZEE TRAINEEEE
lalalalalala
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I guess I should come out by the way.
I am the last DT.
I gave Ace and another undisclosed secure person the Folca list and another list that I can't tell you right now, because I didn't want to suicide myself to kill one mafia-I wanted at least 3 of them down. You can confirm this with Ace.
Why am I coming out? Because I've already used my listchecks, and rolechecks would be a stab in the dark. More importantly I'm pretty sure I'm already targeted for being an active townie, so hopefully this way I can get some medic protection. And I feel I need to defend Ace's integrity here from all these false allegations.
Ace I am pretty sure is innocent, otherwise I would be dead, no?
Vigs should go hit capek and fishball as I am highly positive that attackzerg is just a stupid townie.
edit: As for medics, if you want to protect me, please pm me before you do so.
edit 2: misspoke lol
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On December 18 2008 08:35 AttackZerg wrote:
A little bird told me that caller is now safe.
Ace is mafia I was right. I hate you all.
lol what?
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On December 18 2008 08:42 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 06:13 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
I'm not mafia, go check someone else I have seen more_minerals do nothing strange at all. PM me if your think your going to die, I might have someone who can protect you if you can convince me your important. TOWN PLEASE NOTE. The medics are now synced up and trying to cover damage, if you have an important role and believe me, there is a reason I'm not dead, please just fricking get in touch with me so my 'circle' can check you out and see if you really might be important. As of now caller is safe. I am not.
wait how am i safe
if its a medic could you get this person to please pm me so we can confirm if some shit goes down?
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Capek either you or Scaramanga is a dirty photoshopping liar.
Your PM came at 7:09. Scar's PM came at 7:15. Scar is #18, you are #46.
There are 36 townies (i believe) in this game. Assuming 15 seconds per towny, and that #'s 18-46 every odd one is towny, and assuming bloody cobbler went in reverse # order (i dunno why he would do that), you are still 3 minutes off schedule.
the only explanation is that one of you are mafia and got your pm earlier/later than a towny would.
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On December 18 2008 10:28 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 10:23 Ace wrote:On December 18 2008 10:21 Caller wrote:
Capek either you or Scaramanga is a dirty photoshopping liar.
Your PM came at 7:09. Scar's PM came at 7:15. Scar is #18, you are #46.
There are 36 townies (i believe) in this game. Assuming 15 seconds per towny, and that #'s 18-46 every odd one is towny, and assuming bloody cobbler went in reverse # order (i dunno why he would do that), you are still 3 minutes off schedule.
the only explanation is that one of you are mafia and got your pm earlier/later than a towny would. lol ownage with no lube jeez whats going on here Either caller is a genius or cobbler had to pee, eat or took a porn break. Would posting all of are times help ?
dont do that that's just gay
but i'm pretty sure cobbler wouldn't do that lol
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I repeat: vigilantes: hit capek and fishball today.
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On December 18 2008 10:32 Ace wrote:
nah man, you probably got a virus.
I'm cybering with Caller right now and he might get jealous.
dude not again my butt hurts
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On December 18 2008 10:34 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 10:21 Caller wrote:
Capek either you or Scaramanga is a dirty photoshopping liar.
Your PM came at 7:09. Scar's PM came at 7:15. Scar is #18, you are #46.
There are 36 townies (i believe) in this game. Assuming 15 seconds per towny, and that #'s 18-46 every odd one is towny, and assuming bloody cobbler went in reverse # order (i dunno why he would do that), you are still 3 minutes off schedule.
the only explanation is that one of you are mafia and got your pm earlier/later than a towny would. thats assuming BC went in numerical order he could have just used a random number generator range 1-50, then said "ok these next 25 are townies," and each # that came up got a PM we don't know exactly how BC did the role assigning so i'd say you're making a baseless assumption
thats just it though
even with the random number generator thinking, unless bc literally just randomly picked somebody and gave them their role, there is no reason for that 3 minute delay.
also notice how he shut up after my post ^^
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On December 18 2008 10:39 Fishball wrote:
Also people, it has always been those 3-4 people pushing to go with the 2/4 list. Read the post I wrote above, and observe closely. It is a pretty obvious pattern.
we'll see whats going on here shortly methinks
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On December 18 2008 10:58 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
This ain't fucking Shakespeare. Let's use words we all understand
penis.
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On December 18 2008 11:01 capek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 10:35 Caller wrote:
also notice how he shut up after my post ^^ Caller, my computer shut down for some reason. Instantly, I thought "Caller is going to give me shit about this... And I am DEAD SERIOUS about my computer shutting off.
Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Since Capek already posted his role, and lets all assume he doesn't have perfect Photoshop skills, all I can say from my point of view is, the 2/4 Mafia list is a partial false lead. Why partial? Attackzerg could still be Mafia, but that is not the point. The point is, someone is giving out false information.
That's what I've been saying all along. What the hell? And no I do not have 1337 photoshop skills. Reason: LINUX CAN'T RUN WINDOWS APPLICATIONS (Caller snickers in the background and whispers "How convenient" One more screenshot should make your day: + Show Spoiler [Caller is worse than Ace] +After that I'm leaving. I fucking hate this game. Vigilantes go ahead and kill me. edit: Clarified what I was serious about... The edited part is in bold. edit2: Noticed I used bold already. The edited part from my first edit is now in italics
I like the part where you have 6 messages and it says "22 messages out of 22 messages showing"
GGNORE
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For those of you that missed it:
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On December 18 2008 11:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol didn't he say he had Linux? Isn't that the Windows symbol in the bottom left?
rofl and we thought the town had it bad with retarded medics.
thats my computer
he is running LINUX (duh firefox) lol
but not smart enough to change 22/22 LOL
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On December 18 2008 11:13 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2008 10:35 Fishball wrote:Since Capek already posted his role, and lets all assume he doesn't have perfect Photoshop skills, all I can say from my point of view is, the 2/4 Mafia list is a partial false lead. Why partial? Attackzerg could still be Mafia, but that is not the point. The point is, someone is giving out false information. But what about my role? Hit me tonight, you'll find out. I actually really meant it the whole time. I never thought Spike was Mafia. His find regarding Mynock was pretty solid. Mynock never brought up any solid defense regarding the clues, but instead brought up the usual "I'm busy, therefore inactive" excuse, and further persuaded everyone else to lynch Spike first. Now one of his latest post was to again, persuade the flow to have vigilantes hit me and Capek. Everything was based on the 2/4 (now 2/3) list. What if the list is false? That means the Mafia will be able to get 2 more townies killed, without using their own killing power, and also waste the vigilantes killing power. Makes sense? Of course, all that I've mentioned above would have to be true in order for my theory to be right. There is a reason why I ask vigilantes to hit me. Don't worry about my well being.  What you say makes no sense from the Mafia perspective tho. Why would they sacrifice Caller too then? It is now Caller who made the Call (heheh) about the Folca list. Couldn't they have just used Ace as their spokestube? No, they have to sacrifice Ace, Ver, Caller, all to get through to the Town and kill a couple random greens, maybe wasting a vigi kill. What?
more importantly, if i were scum, why would i just own one of my fellow scum through photoshopping lololololol
more importnatly you probably used GIMP, not photoshop. either way, lol.
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