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On November 26 2008 20:25 Mandalor wrote:waitwait why are we killing me again? I realize I was quite silent, but that is because I was killed very very early every game I spoke up and I would like to stay around till the end. now I'm getting killed by town, because I'm too silent -_- gotta figure out something in between next game. I'm green tho, you might want to reconsider killing me 
do you have anything to contribute? its not about staying alive, its about contributing, and you have not contributed anything at all.
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I will vote according to the plan but MTF and Caller are losing points in my book by the second. Why kill Mandalor when we have people who is more suspect. Why not go by the clues?
I think it will be interesting to see how this works out..
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On November 26 2008 23:58 lakrismamma wrote:
I will vote according to the plan but MTF and Caller are losing points in my book by the second. Why kill Mandalor when we have people who is more suspect. Why not go by the clues?
I think it will be interesting to see how this works out..
because we dont know how ace writes clues yet
this could be like that situation from the last game where we found a guy who had a mayoral picture that fit right in with the clues, and it turned out he was townie.
so we just want to see how ace writes clues and also to get a votecheck.
more importantly, this is all my unilateral decision. mtf has nothing to do with this.
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On November 26 2008 17:44 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 17:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Rex is latin for king, which may relate to use of the crown smiley? Or reign. Empyrean uses the crown smiley and the definition of Epyrean is,
" 1. The highest reaches of heaven, believed by the ancients to be a realm of pure fire or light.
2. The abode of God and the angels; paradise."
which maybe somewhat relates to the name Reign. Empy has also not been very active in this thread, which is much different than previous games. This is omitting the round, clear object that Reign killed BloodyCobbler with though, so it's not a very strong connection yet.
also ShadowDrgn, a dragon, fits the idea of a scaly guy with big jaws. Pretty obvious but maybe something to look out for in future clues. Same applies to wurm. I need to go over the posts, but i don't think SD is a mafia, based on what i remember about his behavior so far yeah empy is a suspect shadowdrgn is a suspect too b/c of that clue wurm is dead also don't forget that rex could be mtf's turtle.
Another reason shadowdrgn fits as a decent suspect: the "traitor" PM. If there really WAS a leak between the 2 mafia families (and it wasn't just the Yamaguchi-gumi posting too actively in the thread or good clue analysis), that PM might have been it.
Other scaly suspects for rex are myself, waterGHOSTCLAWdragon, or (going out on a limb a little here) fishball. However, only the dragons have big enough mouths/ enough size to fit the clue.
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On November 26 2008 23:28 Ninja4ever. wrote:
I can see why so many mafias died.
Traitor tells both family he is the traitor so they don't kill him, capos check him and confirm he doesn't lie.
Now he has the two families names. But it is really possible that one of the two families said something like " give us the other family name. If you don't we kill you ". Or may be traitor just wanted one family to remain strong. or whatever.
Well, it doesn't help town anyway so it's probably nto something important, but it's always nice to try to understand how things went.
each traitor only knows 1 family. i know the OP says otherwise, but Ace made a post clarifying this
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Just skimmed through 8 pages, after reading Day 2 and reading the casualties, holy fucking shit
The only thing that went through my head is the family count..
The Lucchese family still has full contact with all their mafia members, while Yamaguchi-gumi families have lost over half their members.
This is ridiculously benefittial, I cant believe how much help separating families have helped us, I dont know if it was the work of the vigilantes, but it does sure seem from the clues given from Day 2, that the Lucchese family has been conflicted into killing the Yamaguchi-gumi family.
TBH I think that for the mafia, it would be the smartest to rape the townies, then kill the other mysterious family.. but it seems that the Lucchese family has been thoroughly analyzing the gameplay and taken out the Yamaguchi-gumi family.. Which only means that they could have possibly changed their strategy..
What I mean is, The Lucchese family probably would have known the most basic strategy is to kill the townies, but it seems that they have went a step furthur, to actually use the other mafia family, assuming that they DID carefully analyze the townies, or take out the people who have seemed to released too much out of their ass.. and started to analyze the whole beard and trying to analyze the mafia from the other team... I dont know where im going with this, but it seems this is what the strategy of the Lucchese family is, and I think we townies should make a strategy into it, with caller obviously leading it, as he is concluded townie, with paramedics guarding him..
This post could be made of complete bullshit, or It could actually be helpful, Dont know
Completely bash on my theory if you do see some contradiction or problem..
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Ramble some more, will you? You just took 3 paragraphs to say essentially nothing of substance.
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Folca, it's rather simple; the Lucchese family targeted those who were outspoken. No conspiracy here.
Why would they kill the other mafia?
As far as I know, the objective for the Mafia is to kill townies, not kill townies and the other Mafia right?
Or did Ace say only 1 Mafia can win?
lol nvm, I missed:
Either of The Mafia families win by completing 2 objectives:
1.) Kill all the members of the rival mafia faction
2.) Outnumber or have equal numbers to the townies
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On November 26 2008 23:46 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 20:25 Mandalor wrote:waitwait why are we killing me again? I realize I was quite silent, but that is because I was killed very very early every game I spoke up and I would like to stay around till the end. now I'm getting killed by town, because I'm too silent -_- gotta figure out something in between next game. I'm green tho, you might want to reconsider killing me do you have anything to contribute? its not about staying alive, its about contributing, and you have not contributed anything at all.
Well I didn't have anything to contribute so far.
The reason for lynching people based on clues is exactly finding out how Ace's clues work. If we never lynch anyone based on clues, we'll never find out so that reasoning is stupid. You're lynching a townie based on nothing when there is certain evidence pointing to others.
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On November 27 2008 05:09 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 23:46 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 20:25 Mandalor wrote:waitwait why are we killing me again? I realize I was quite silent, but that is because I was killed very very early every game I spoke up and I would like to stay around till the end. now I'm getting killed by town, because I'm too silent -_- gotta figure out something in between next game. I'm green tho, you might want to reconsider killing me do you have anything to contribute? its not about staying alive, its about contributing, and you have not contributed anything at all. Well I didn't have anything to contribute so far. The reason for lynching people based on clues is exactly finding out how Ace's clues work. If we never lynch anyone based on clues, we'll never find out so that reasoning is stupid. You're lynching a townie based on nothing when there is certain evidence pointing to others.
Lynching people based on clues would mean that we'd be working towards taking out the mafia. Caller said that he wouldn't mind killing me because I'm green, so he obviously doesn't mind lynching townies instead of going after the mafia.
If he is mafia, he wouldn't have a problem killing you either since that would bring him closer to winning the game.
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The worst part about this entire mafia game is how much power Caller and MTF have, its ridiculous. Why is everyone voting exactly as they want rather than discussing the clues and making a educated decision? If Caller or MTF are mafia we are all totally screwed because we let them do whatever they want.
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I agree with you that town should at least try to do some thinking for itself. It's no good to have everyone mindlessly following a track set out for them. That being said, we're not far enough into the game where individualism is going to save us.
Also, you still keep talking as though Caller and I are making decisions together. Not the case - these have all been Caller's shots so far, mostly without my input at all. I'm not bothered by that for the moment, 'since I know he has more information regarding roles and the like than any of us, but if he doesn't start giving more out to the town later, then yeah, criticize the hell out of him.
For now, criticizing the actions that have occured thus far are not equal to thinking for yourself. One is just accusation while the other can be actually helpful.
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Both times we have voted he just puts out a list with little to no explanation of why we are going to kill these people. This time around hes killing Mandalor and Vivi57, why? Both seem like townies to me, either way neither of them have anything to do with the clues. I know that Caller doesnt know how Ace writes clues yet, but as a prominent figure in the town its his job to figure it out not to just say "Oh well, lets just kill these people this time and maybe I can guess the clues next time".
I move to give Caller the towns vote completely that way we can just forgo voting and make things alot easier.
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Looking at the votes cast so far I guess I can't do anything to defend my life.
That said, I'd suggest every townie to consider not blindly following Caller like sheep on Day 3...
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On November 27 2008 07:17 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Both times we have voted he just puts out a list with little to no explanation of why we are going to kill these people. This time around hes killing Mandalor and Vivi57, why? Both seem like townies to me, either way neither of them have anything to do with the clues. I know that Caller doesnt know how Ace writes clues yet, but as a prominent figure in the town its his job to figure it out not to just say "Oh well, lets just kill these people this time and maybe I can guess the clues next time".
I move to give Caller the towns vote completely that way we can just forgo voting and make things alot easier.
I don't see how this one is really hard to figure out though. Both were Plexa zombies, got put on the MyHeroNoob vote list, and didn't vote. Showtime! mentioned that they had just gone on the short list of suspects. Besides, didn't MTF and Plexa say that the clues only really start being relevant after 3 iterations? Before that, it makes sense that we would vote based on behavior
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On November 27 2008 07:17 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Both times we have voted he just puts out a list with little to no explanation of why we are going to kill these people. This time around hes killing Mandalor and Vivi57, why? Both seem like townies to me, either way neither of them have anything to do with the clues. I know that Caller doesnt know how Ace writes clues yet, but as a prominent figure in the town its his job to figure it out not to just say "Oh well, lets just kill these people this time and maybe I can guess the clues next time".
I move to give Caller the towns vote completely that way we can just forgo voting and make things alot easier.
I have no problem with this sort of mindset in general, but the attitude with which you're approaching the situation is getting nothing done but causing unrest. The only way to prove Caller wrong is to find someone more definitely mafia and present your case to the town in a coherent fashion rather than this "Caller is evil/lazy, vote for someone else" sort of way. Otherwise you're not helping towards a town victory, you're just criticizing the higher stations for the same general behavior you yourself display.
For my own part, I'm for lynching Vivi57 and not really for lynching Mandalor. But Caller's reasoning for picking them wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. Vivi was the last person to vote for me to get into office, and while he explained why in a reasonable manner, it's still viewed as a suspect move by myself, and I assume Caller as well. Mandalor wasn't very active and while a lot of people haven't been, and he kind of gave his reason for that at the end of TL Mafia 3, killing off inactives is a harsh way to promote activity.
And, well, as can be seen recently with all the people speaking up, it seems to work.
That said, I'd put Clazziquai up instead if I were choosing, for being one of those last people who voted me in when everybody was saying not to.
Edit: have -> haven't
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On November 27 2008 03:47 Folca wrote:
Just skimmed through 8 pages, after reading Day 2 and reading the casualties, holy fucking shit
The only thing that went through my head is the family count..
The Lucchese family still has full contact with all their mafia members, while Yamaguchi-gumi families have lost over half their members.
This is ridiculously benefittial, I cant believe how much help separating families have helped us, I dont know if it was the work of the vigilantes, but it does sure seem from the clues given from Day 2, that the Lucchese family has been conflicted into killing the Yamaguchi-gumi family.
TBH I think that for the mafia, it would be the smartest to rape the townies, then kill the other mysterious family.. but it seems that the Lucchese family has been thoroughly analyzing the gameplay and taken out the Yamaguchi-gumi family.. Which only means that they could have possibly changed their strategy..
What I mean is, The Lucchese family probably would have known the most basic strategy is to kill the townies, but it seems that they have went a step furthur, to actually use the other mafia family, assuming that they DID carefully analyze the townies, or take out the people who have seemed to released too much out of their ass.. and started to analyze the whole beard and trying to analyze the mafia from the other team... I dont know where im going with this, but it seems this is what the strategy of the Lucchese family is, and I think we townies should make a strategy into it, with caller obviously leading it, as he is concluded townie, with paramedics guarding him..
This post could be made of complete bullshit, or It could actually be helpful, Dont know
Completely bash on my theory if you do see some contradiction or problem..
It seems more to me like they were just targeting active people. Look at everyone they killed:
Pyrrhuloxia - Extremely active.
blue_arrow - Somewhat active.
Mynock - Active, known contributor.
Randombum - Active, seemed to have plans, known contributor.
Amber[Light] - Active, known contributor.
Malongo/Bumatlarge - This is a mystery hit, don't know how to explain either of them being targeted.
BloodyC0bbler - Known contributor.
0cz3c - Obvious as all hell.
renegade_zerg - Another mystery hit.
Kweezy - Active.
It's the same basic strategy that we used in TL Mafia 3 as mafia, though that backfired heavily on us. :p
Edit: Color on renegade was wrong.
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voting will end tomorrow night, in about 25 hours from now
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what i like is how as soon as people get accused they come out of the woodwork and start defending themselves almost immediately.
why the hell havent you been posting earlier, if you are a genuine townie dying isn't a bad thing it means a blue lives another day.
i do agree i have a lot of power and responsibility right now. but this isn't about killing person a or person b, yet. We need a list that we can relate everything to, and voting for me isn't going to help this list at all. that's why i request that people vote for the people that they were assigned to vote for.
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