EPTTL Mafia 3 [Night 5]
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EDIT: Okay, just read over most stuff. I say we go with fusion's idea for the short term, then transfer to Ace's method. HOWEVER. The one problem I have with Ace's strategy is that, as far as I understand it, mafia will have very obvious targets, no? This strategy will only work for a bit before they focus fire. Once there is focus fire (and possibly wasted hits), the town has nowhere to turn. So after all this the town has to move to good, solid clue analysis. The town is screwed without it's analyzers, so the medics need to make judgment calls based on who to protect and who not to. Sorry, I just hit "All" and glazed through all of the posts. Correct me if I am misunderstanding something. | ||
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On November 03 2008 08:38 bumatlarge wrote: Well, if we are planning on DT sacrifices, I think I have a better idea as to how they should let their findings be revealed. The DT PM's any random person a list (they need to be active ofc for this to work). There would be 2 scenarios. 1) Random person will be the DT's mouth, and post the findings (if they are towny). So instead we can risk a towny's life and not the DT. DT is safe and his info is public. 2)Mafia get's the pm. DT threatens the potential mafia that if they dont post the list, the DT will post his findings anyway, along with the person they PM'ed. If the mafia kills this detective, the town can kill the mafia right there and then. The best thing the mafia could do is post the detective's findings, and then kill the detective later. I think the ratio of detectives survival is in favor of the town, and we dont need to lose a DT if he has important things he needs to show the town. I love this idea. Also, Empyrean, I believe Chuiu said to post votes here. | ||
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## I vote to lynch Folca I still don't see any flaws in Ace's plan though. If it was somehow meant to swing the other way, we could easily make it backfire by lynching a mafia via clue analysis and then see how the voting patterns/hoax detectives speaking up etc etc to screw over a good chunk of the mafia. Folca, if you turn up blue, you are a very honourable person. Thank you for your sacrifice. | ||
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## I change my vote from lynching Folca to instead lynch Ace If that wasn't clear, I'm voting to lynch Ace based on the current count. Nightmare's system will only work with mass support, and there is way too much dissension in the ranks for the system to work. | ||
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On November 04 2008 13:54 Ace wrote: How does lynching me help "other DTs"? EDIT: Missed a question mark. I'm hoping you don't get lynched, since dt's can ask about how many people voted for a certain person. So I'm making the list just shorter than Folca's, hopefully. | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:31 Caller wrote: 4. decafchicken 27. Ace 28. MidnightGladius these guys GOGO VIGILANTES Only on night 2 can vigis be used. | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Was a detective, and pretty well no way he can prove he's innocent, so up to the gallows he goes. As a general note to the other two detectives, and for the jacks, please list check the ace and folca lists I believe there are two of each role atm, so i would ask D1 and D2(detective numbers as where they appear in the list first one being D1 and the other D2) check the folca list and the jacks J1 and J2 check out the ace list. With that information, gathered, either choose myself or caller if you trust either of us and give us that info, preferably both Jacks and both detectives to the same person, it helps prove who you are as you would have a list identical to eachother to prove your validiaty. And if either of you are mafia? We don't want any info getting to the mafia, especially about who is a detective. | ||
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On November 05 2008 04:40 ulszz wrote: so many pages so fast... i still don't understand why people voted to lynch folca... he was obviously townie, what mafioso would fake DT? once his accusations were proven wrong he would by lynched. if ace didn't turn up mafioso, then we would of lynched folca for his lies. so now we have a dead DT. we could of possibly saved a townie by lynching ace before folca. Killing power would still be 5. | ||
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Just to even things out. Let me know if I should change it. | ||
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## I change my vote to Ace | ||
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On November 08 2008 15:07 randombum wrote: 1 down 9 more to go. And a suicide bomber. | ||
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1.imDerek 6. XCetron 19. araav 33. Yogurt 37. KH1031 43. Plexa 44. KF91 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 49. [GiTM]-Ace 50. G.s)NarutO | ||
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38. Amber[LighT] 39. Fishball 40. Falcynn Maybe? | ||
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On November 09 2008 06:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: * Denotes people who didn't vote on Day 1 1.imDerek* 6. XCetron 19. araav 33. Yogurt 37. KH1031 43. Plexa 44. KF91 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 49. [GiTM]-Ace 50. G.s)NarutO Only two people have never voted even once. That's not overly helpful since it will be hard to formulate clues based upon their user names. Derek is easier than KH at least. KH1031 voted. I get Yogurt for my list. EDIT: and imderek | ||
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If we count abstinence as not voting, we add FakeSteve to the list. EDIT: and kf91 | ||
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On November 09 2008 07:48 fusionsdf wrote: its best for us to keep mynock alive as long as possible without following his advice until after he dies (unless it makes sense to for another reason, like clues) If there is another person, they SHOULD post considering it would further enhance Mynock's validity, no? | ||
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On November 09 2008 16:36 randombum wrote: I'm feeling a town victory here.... the only dead blue is the one the townie lynched LOL. Law of averages means they hit a crapload of blues one day. Hence why we need to get this day very accurate- killing power goes to three. EDIT: bit --> hit | ||
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On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote: Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia. Another person should soon confirm the same message. Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. I'm somewhat busy atm, so I will post more later (including some psychoanalysis of Ace's posts  ).Let us not forget this. Why else would mafia target Mynock? I really don't think it's a "well they're trying to trick us into thinking that the message was legit etc etc..." I think it was because they needed him to shut up ASAP. Two people are gone from the decafchicken day 2 list, leaving us with 2/5. | ||
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On November 10 2008 08:11 fusionsdf wrote: I agree with this interpretation (we still cant say for sure) which is why I think we should avoid acting on that list if we have better alternatives I still think acting on that list is our best chance. What other alternatives do we have? (It's not rhetorical, I'm actually asking for your input). Clue analysis? | ||
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I can change it later if we need to split. EDIT: change vote. | ||
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On November 09 2008 15:25 Chuiu wrote: Far behind Mynocks house Yogurt and Mandalor went clue hunting. They spotted a set of foot prints, which perked their curiosity since only one mafia was at the scene of the crime. Following the set downhill they came across two individuals. Before either towns person could inquire about their presence behind Mynocks house both individuals charged towards them. With no weapons between them two fist fights broke out. Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent. Clutching it in pain his defense was down and he paid greatly for it. His opponent tripped him also to the ground and quickly got up to his feet, with time to spare he picked the best place to strike and crushed Yogurt's chest. Mandalor was having just as little luck with his opponent and things got worse when it turned into a knife fight. His agile opponent grabbed Mandalor on the shoulder and pulled him close as he plunged the dagger in one side of Mandalors stomach. To finish Mandalor off he pulled the blade all the way to the other end of his stomach. For those who don't know, a gladius is a small dagger or knife. It's a stretch, but it's just a little bit more to convince me, for now. | ||
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On November 10 2008 11:52 fusionsdf wrote: IMPORTANT NEWS someone has PMed me claiming to be a detective, and they used a role check on fanatacist he is mafia (if you believe the PM, which I do, since mafia doesnt gain a ton by faking it) so do we switch votes tonight, or lynch midnight gladius and lynch fanatacist tomorrow? tl;dr: fanatacist is mafia I say we get fanatacist. Mafia has nothing to gain from this except maybe ONE extra kill, as if fanatacist is green, whoever PMed you is obviously mafia. Since the DT is using you as a mouth, there is less risk than with the Folca situation. ## I change my vote from MidnightGladius to fanatacist If a vigi thinks MidnightGladius is mafia, he will be hit anyway. Mafia has almost nothing to gain from telling fusion this. Also by doing this, fusion can spill who the "DT" is if fanatacist is green. Then a vigi hits MidnightGladius hopefully. Since MidnightGladius is only based on clues, we may as well wait a night and get another clue from Chuiu to doubletriplequadcheck. | ||
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Can you change the formatting of this so Chuiu finds this? EDIT: Thanks. | ||
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On November 10 2008 13:25 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: ### I change my vote to Fanatacist the attitude speaks for itself. If fanatacist was a townie, he would rather make sure the town get a hold on fusion or the "DT" that pm'ed him. Instead of fighting desperately for his life. Mafia cant risk helping him out because they would be revealed as well. Sorry fanatacist, if you're town, you'll be sacrificed to a greater good. Exactly this. | ||
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On November 11 2008 03:44 MTF wrote: If Fanatacist doesn't turn up red, I hope Fusion survives to tell us who the DT was. Fusion will tell us before the night cycle is finished, presumably. | ||
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On November 11 2008 06:11 fusionsdf wrote: I'll tell you before the day cycle i.e after the lynch, but before mafia can do hits of course thats only if he somehow turns up green or something Yeah that's what I meant. | ||
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On November 11 2008 10:58 Chuiu wrote: Also I think there is some thread inactivity due to not updating the title. I think most people, ie: Fakesteve, read it and assume we're still on that day. I hope Sonuvbob doesn't have something stupid like lung surgery or something going on  | ||
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On November 11 2008 23:38 fusionsdf wrote: I'm going to wait until after day cycle to reveal that :D And if you die tonight? | ||
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On November 12 2008 05:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: fusion will probably not die. if you remember, he said he already took a hit last night. so if that is true then the mafia know he will be protected Either protected or a vet. | ||
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Okay guys. You know how Mynock said someone else would be posting the information he found out? That was supposed to be me. I was confused at the time, and didn’t know what to do. Between him and I, we figured that I should try to support the unknown other person to post the information, while withdrawing it myself. That would lure out the mafia and hopefully a suicide bomber (which happened). After which I would reveal that the information is legitimate. I believe the DT/Jack is currently hiding- storing information and releasing it all at once, as he believes he is safe (he has not PMed me any more information, leading me to believe he is a Jack instead). No need for both the mouths for a detective/Jack dying. Along with Mynock, I would much rather lose my life than a blue one. So I’m going to confirm that the list for day 2 decafchicken is correct. So why am I announcing this? One, to get information validated. Two of the following people are mafia: ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler It is REALLY stupid for a mafia to give both Mynock and myself false information. Either of us can call him out if the list is false. That, or when the DT/Jack dies, we can prove the information is legit. I’ve PMed someone I fully trust (details as to why will not be revealed) who the source of my information (i.e. who the detective was that notified me, so he/she can be called out if the info ever turns out wrong, or can be verified if the mafia randomly hits him). Second, the mafia now has two loose mouths on their hands, speaking for two detectives. They now need to get me AND fusion tonight to stop the detectives from talking, and that’s three hits. (I’m pretty sure fusion is a vet- don’t see why a medic would randomly protect him) And if a medic protects either of us? Well, mafia’s screwed. And if they don’t? Mafia still wastes hits, as it’ll take two more to kill fusion (which is why I think the DT PMed fusion- very safe bet). One out of every two townies has a blue role, and it will be a critical judgment call for mafia whether they want to keep the mouths alive and guess the detectives, or kill us and waste potential hits. If fusion and I die tonight, over 50% of the remaining true townie population is blue. If everyone plays it right, this should be pretty easy from then on (especially if vigis do their job properly). The DTs/Jacks will have to find new mouths to use. If mafia decides to spread three hits, so be it. There are high odds that both DTs/Jacks will stay alive, and the two of us will hopefully have new information for you in the day cycle. If not, I’m sure the DTs/Jacks have backup measures installed. This is my sacrifice (a la Mynock). EDIT: Paragraphs and colour. | ||
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On November 12 2008 06:53 mikeymoo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Breathe. Okay guys. You know how Mynock said someone else would be posting the information he found out? That was supposed to be me. I was confused at the time, and didn’t know what to do. Between him and I, we figured that I should try to support the unknown other person to post the information, while withdrawing it myself. That would lure out the mafia and hopefully a suicide bomber (which happened). After which I would reveal that the information is legitimate. I believe the DT/Jack is currently hiding- storing information and releasing it all at once, as he believes he is safe (he has not PMed me any more information, leading me to believe he is a Jack instead). No need for both the mouths for a detective/Jack dying. Along with Mynock, I would much rather lose my life than a blue one. So I’m going to confirm that the list for day 2 decafchicken is correct. So why am I announcing this? One, to get information validated. Two of the following people are mafia: ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler It is REALLY stupid for a mafia to give both Mynock and myself false information. Either of us can call him out if the list is false. That, or when the DT/Jack dies, we can prove the information is legit. I’ve PMed someone I fully trust (details as to why will not be revealed) who the source of my information (i.e. who the detective was that notified me, so he/she can be called out if the info ever turns out wrong, or can be verified if the mafia randomly hits him). Second, the mafia now has two loose mouths on their hands, speaking for two detectives. They now need to get me AND fusion tonight to stop the detectives from talking, and that’s three hits. (I’m pretty sure fusion is a vet- don’t see why a medic would randomly protect him) And if a medic protects either of us? Well, mafia’s screwed. And if they don’t? Mafia still wastes hits, as it’ll take two more to kill fusion (which is why I think the DT PMed fusion- very safe bet). One out of every two townies has a blue role, and it will be a critical judgment call for mafia whether they want to keep the mouths alive and guess the detectives, or kill us and waste potential hits. If fusion and I die tonight, over 50% of the remaining true townie population is blue. If everyone plays it right, this should be pretty easy from then on (especially if vigis do their job properly). The DTs/Jacks will have to find new mouths to use. If mafia decides to spread three hits, so be it. There are high odds that both DTs/Jacks will stay alive, and the two of us will hopefully have new information for you in the day cycle. If not, I’m sure the DTs/Jacks have backup measures installed. This is my sacrifice (a la Mynock). Quoting myself because I want to format the post a little better and not be accused of editing things out. | ||
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On November 12 2008 07:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Nicely done mickey, and although i can't speak for artanis, we both have set ourselves up for dts to check our lists to prove our innocence(we both are suspects as well we both voted for random people no one else voted for to do this) This will add myself and hopefully artanis as people for the DT's to report through. I would ask DT's to do this soon though, so i can help organize the towns night actions to further kill the mafia. It's mikey. Everyone does it. Anyway. I believe that even the act of voting for someone nobody else did clears you, for now. No DTs have spoken up yet, leading me to believe you are green. For now. | ||
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On November 12 2008 11:55 fusionsdf wrote: lol just realized it could be shadowdrgn too -.-'' I was going to mention this regarding the "scorch" clue. EDIT: Also, MOOOOOOOoooooo | ||
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Firstly, GO VIGIS. Sorry MidnightGladius, but if someone didn't vigi you we'd be lynching you in daytime probably. I'm VERY surprised I wasn't hit. Well, to a degree. It really doesn't benefit mafia to hit a green right now, considering all of the lost time they have to catch up for. Again, today is very important. Lowering mafia's kill rate is enormous today. I'm assuming fusion or I will have more information today, as at least my DT/Jack is still alive. | ||
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On November 13 2008 02:25 Chezinu wrote: I vote for mikeymoo Sorry, I need to laugh at this a little. Care to offer at least an explanation? | ||
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ZBiR, you've been far far far too suspicious as of late. Barring any further information, for now, ## I vote to lynch ZBiR That list is legit. 2/5 DOES equal 40%. | ||
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On November 13 2008 07:12 ZBiR wrote: So, uhm... what is it exactly against me? That I was AFK for some time? The fact that I tend to oppose people I consider fools? (shall be obvious who am I referring to) Or maybe it's that me = bandit (well, more like thug, but w/e), and SOME MAFIA DID ACT LIKE A BANDIT?! Oh noes, who would've thought they're gonna attack people and shit... Yeah, lynch me, then lynch a blue you don't have a clue about, then get owned after 4/10 of the mafia were handed to you. GL Thanks JeeJee For me personally it's how you've been acting and how you spazzed at nightmare. But from this post, maybe you're just a spazzy person. And 4/10 were not handed to "us" (wtf "you" as in townies? why not "us"???). We worked for those, thank you. How is the following post not incriminating and highly defensive? On November 11 2008 23:01 ZBiR wrote: Firstly, I was at my girl's place for last 40+ hours, so I wasn't checking TL Secondly, you have no power whatsoever to place me "next in line for the gallows" (unless you're mafia/vigilante, which I doubt) Thirdly, since I'm far from being a suspect I don't see why I would be forced to do such things, so I won't. And lastly, I will vote in a manner I choose myself. Don't even try to give me orders, Nightmare. Good that another mafia bit the dust, too bad I couldn't contribute to it ;] | ||
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On November 13 2008 08:54 fusionsdf wrote: WHATS YOUR THING oh I get it clue analysis wtf ninja edit | ||
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On November 13 2008 11:59 Plexa wrote: what's this list, can i see it? From me earlier: Two of the following people are mafia: ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler Mynock posted the same info before he died. | ||
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On November 13 2008 12:02 ulszz wrote: honestly that plexa fusionsdf convo looks so fuckin staged. i wouldn't be surprised if both were mafia... i vote to lynch plexa edit- add convo If it's staged it's in really really really really bad humour. To the point where I would not respect Plexa. I sincerely hope you are kidding (which is also in bad humour). | ||
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On the bright side, the list is shortened. Anyway. My DT/Jack tells me that fusionsdf is townie/role. So if you have a role, PM it to him and/or nightmare. Between them we can organize DTs, Vigis, and Jacks in order to snipe some mafia off. If they hit a mad hatter it's pretty clutch for us, I'd say. Watch your step, mafia! Effffff...... again SO sorry. Apologies to everyone who bandwagoned- I REALLY thought ZBiR was mafia. You have to admit he was acting really defensively. I feel sooooo bad. Honestly. Effffff.... Personally I'll advocate that Vigis hit Lenwe and heros)pink. But tbh, I'm with nightmare. Sometimes our first impressions are off, and it's unfortunate. But these suggestions come from a purely statistical standpoint. Not an emotional/behavioural one. Also, DTs have great lists to work off of at this point. Let's try to consolidate as a town. We've seen that being unco-operative only leads to division. | ||
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I certainly trust bloodyc0bbler as well. (Artanis not as much but he's just been so nice so far) | ||
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On November 14 2008 16:23 ShadowDrgn wrote: His profile pic does look like it could fit the headbutt clue... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/17000.jpg?1203987144) Oh snap that's gooood. EDIT: Climbing up buildings, etc? Sound like a HERO to you? | ||
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Okay so that means Artanis is clean. | ||
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2. fusionsdf (clean) 3. Jimtudor 5. Camlito 7. BloodyC0bbler (clean) 8. mikeymoo EDIT: (clean, somehow I missed myself lol) 9. MTF 10. clazziquai 11. wurm 13. Chezinu 15. xDark.Carnivalx 18. RtS)Night[Mare (clean) 19. araav (clean) 21. SoleSteeler 23. ~OpZ~ 32. goldenkrnboi 34. Scorch 35. ShadowDrgn (clean) 36. ulszz (clean) 37. KH1031 40. Falcynn 41. Artanis[Xp] (clean) 43. Plexa 44. KF91 49. [GiTM]-Ace This is who's left and who I'm pretty sure is clean, just based on posting behaviour etc etc. Take this as something to think about, while I head to sleep and get some clue analysis done tomorrow. | ||
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My suspect Day 1 vote, Day 2, etc etc. X means abstain or no vote. + Show Spoiler + 1. imDerek XXFZ 3. Jimtudor FAFMi 5. Camlito FAFZ 9. MTF FXFZ 10. clazziquai AAFZ 11. wurm FAFZ 13. Chezinu XDXMi 15. xDark.Carnivalx DAMZ 21. SoleSteeler XAFZ 23. ~OpZ~ DPFZ 32. goldenkrnboi DAMX 34. Scorch DAWZ 37. KH1031 DXFMt 40. Falcynn AAFX 43. Plexa MXXX Out of respect I say we leave Plexa alone. 44. KF91 XXXX (INTERESTING) 49. [GiTM]-Ace FXFZ EDIT: Oops obviously there's bound to be typos the first time. | ||
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Thank you. Editing... EDIT: We should just get mafia down to 1, link the medic/Jack together, and make a wall lolol | ||
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##I vote to lynch KF91 for now. Just for inactivity. | ||
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I'm still wondering about KF91 not doing shit all this game tho. EDIT: Blues can make a medic wall for tie LOLOLOL | ||
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EDIT: Or medic or something | ||
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I'm the remaining Jack. I tried to switch between veteran (and aggravate the mafia to induce a wasted hit) and DT to get some useful clues. Empyrean died before I could use him as my mouth (Fuck me #1). I used Vet on night 1 trying to lure a hit by being very active, then got myself tempbanned in a ploy to have mafia hit me early. Mynock posted my info and bumatlarge was going to verify, but he died as well (#2). So I lied and said I was the other guy. I knew I could trust nightmare, so I PMed him and we worked shit out. I knew Fakesteve was a medic and begged for help the nights I thought I was vulnerable as DT and he died (#3). I know who all the vigis are and I'm pretty sure they've all used their hits, so I vigi'ed Plexa tonight. GG. And Chuiu, Plexa gave OpZ the locked icon. lololol | ||
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