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On October 25 2008 15:45 MidnightGladius wrote: Cheers once more! Let's try to prevent last game from happening again  I have no idea what you're talking about. >.> | ||
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On top of that, with the mayor/bodyguard system gone, we have no way of verifying the security of a matter when someone says "vote to lynch X". So, townies are going to have to draw their own conclusions, because the mafia aren't going to sit around letting just a few vocal townies live like they did last game. The best counter town has to that is to make sure that all of the town is active; they can't silence every voice at once if the whole town is talking. /pregame town bias Watch me flip Mafia.  | ||
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On October 31 2008 02:14 randombum wrote: No way to prove you are a vet. Mafia can false claim it and just pwn everyone. Yeah, the only reason people knew to trust in the veterans towards the end of the last game was because the list of roles collected by Ace & Plexa was publicly available after it was revealed that Mafia had found the list themselves much earlier on. There is no clear-cut way to verify the role of anyone this time around. Everyone will just have to bank on their own decision making skills! | ||
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On November 02 2008 04:23 Empyrean wrote: Oh, also analysis of voting patters is also useful. EDIT: And can I continue clue analysis once I die? Like in a blog or something? Agreed on the voting patterns being useful as well, which would be obvious if you followed what I was doing last game. XD And I think public continuation is pretty much the same thing as playing after you're dead, so I don't imagine that'd be allowed. You could do what I did and just write it all up in a text document and post it up after the game is over, though. | ||
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Anyway, I haven't had time to read through the thread yet, but here's my assessment on the clues so far. Keep in mind that all of these connections are going to be weak, as we're just starting here. MidnightGladius: Profile Quote: "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." Clues: + Show Spoiler + "the noose now tight around his neck Chuiu took a look over at the man ready to pull the switch. "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch." "Then one person stood atop the gallows embracing the moment he cried out to the town" Both instances of the word "embrace" are during a time of change, which directly correlates with the profile quote. SoleSteeler: Profile Quote: "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold" Clue: + Show Spoiler + ""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next." Contains a message that the central order is no longer in place. Correlation with the quote, as order falls apart. Scorch: Profile Quote: "What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy." Clue: + Show Spoiler + ""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next." Anti-authority sentiment profile quote by a publically outspoken anti-authority band. You see where this is going. Plexa: Profile Quote: "Spirit will set you free" Clue: + Show Spoiler + ""Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch." Ok, nobody jump on me for this one. Just a note, and it's a very minor connection, anyway. And finally, someone I can't find a connection to, but: "everyone was excited to see him finally pay the price." "Vengeance was the theme" Seems like someone wants revenge. | ||
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On the other hand, Folca has come forward saying he's a detective, and claims that Ace is mafia. Whether or not this is true, we know that one of them is Mafia now. So, clearly our choice should be to pick between these two tonight - either way, we get a confirmed Mafia, which is huge for our first night. Since the act of revealing your crucial role as a detective this early is more than a little on the foolish side, I'm going with Folca. If it turns out he's telling the truth then he would've died by Mafia's hands anyway for revealing his role, and we can go after Ace. I vote to lynch Folca. | ||
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Reasons to Lynch Ace: Clues: + Show Spoiler + ""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next." May relate to his role in the last game as an authority figure. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has been accused of a rolecheck by Folca, who has made several posts trying to provide information. Reasons to Lynch Folca: Clues: + Show Spoiler + "Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet." May be a reference to his profile picture. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has accused Ace of being rolechecked as mafia and implicated several other prominent players, myself included, with faulty and rushed reasoning. Overall View: Lynching Ace or Folca is a fifty/fifty gamble, which is better than can be said of lynching any other person in the game right now. That being said, Ace has been setting plans into motion from the beginning and engaging in active discussion with the people trying to organize town. This is a good thing, and Ace's plans have not been openly malicious and have helped move town along in discussion and avoid the mistake (ironically) of revealing DT's for the towns gain due to the suicide bomber. Now, this is not to say I believe Ace is town for sure, as what he has done is the only smart thing he could do given the previous game. Ace is not proven innocent by any means. Neither, however, is Folca. And Folca came out of nowhere with his accusation and proceeded to call out several people with absolutely no basis for most of it. Now, mafia or true detective, this was not a smart thing to do. Considering this, one must ask the origin of the actions' desperation: the only thing other than simple foolishness I can think of is that everything is less organized this early in the game. That can only benefit mafia, as they start off from the very beginning in a structured manner. Accusing key members early on would only benefit them. Now, assuming Ace's innocence, implicating and taking him out this early on would eliminate one of the strongest structures that town could organize itself around. This alone may be worth the attempt by mafia, especially if they're banking on him having an additional role, as nearly half of all of the town does. I can see it argued the other way around easily enough, though, and it is a fair view to have that doing this as a mafia member or a true detective doesn't make much sense this early on. But Folca has done it, and we can only prove the why by lynching one tonight. The evidence that either is telling the truth is about even. The matter of choosing is simply in the behavior, and the hoped-for outcome, as either way we risk losing someone of value. Personally, I think Folca is lying, and even if he weren't, town wouldn't get a proven DT the following day, because mafia would be insane to keep a revealed DT alive. So, there is only one argument for voting Ace over Folca: You believe Folca for whatever reason and want to make mafia waste a hit tonight. However, the same exact thing can be said of Ace, as if Folca is indeed red, then they wanted Ace dead early on, and will undoubtably use at least one hit on him tonight. I guess that about sums up my feelings on the matter. Ace is inherently more valuable as a structure than an unproven detective that has been revealed if he is indeed innocent. Edit: As I wrote this, Bockit essentially put it in a much more succient manner. :p | ||
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On November 04 2008 09:58 JeeJee wrote: I've finally caught up - tgwjiy i have a few suspicions based on behaviour in this thread. but really, the outcome of folca/ace will reveal so much information; it's likely everything i have now will be rendered totally baseless, so i will wait. p.s. how long until day? and could we get an updated vote list? Edit: Nevermind, Caller reposted it above me. I obviously don't agree with the lynching of Decaf, MidnightGladius, or JeeJee, given our current situation and the fact that they're all being voted for based off of clues from the very first day. | ||
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On November 04 2008 09:58 Caller wrote: edit: MTF your argument does make sense but it is still flawed in the sense that you've forgotten what if both of them are mafia. Under the assumption that Folca did a dumb play (which I doubt as mafia is too highly organized for this), why would they do something so stupid? Answer: to keep one of their brethren and give them higher status. This would explain why a large amount of people voted for Folca randomly, as by lynching folca, if he flips red that would "mean" Ace is "green" which may or may not be the case. Or they vote for him b/c he's a blue and by making us waste a lynch and not one of their hits they get an advantage here. This is definitely a possibility, though it would be even more of a gamble than any of the other scenarios put forth. That being said, my position still stands that it's worth more to take Folca down first with the possibility that Ace is alive than the other way around, as Folca will be a mafia target tonight if he is not lynched. Ace is pretty likely to be killed tonight by lynching or mafia, too, granted, but mafia are much more likely to leave him alive then they are Folca. Folca has a publically revealed role as a detective if we lynch Ace and find him red, whereas Ace will be under suspicion if we find red in Folca and Ace doesn't get killed. So, Folca equals sure death in this cycle, making him of less worth than Ace, who equals probable death in this cycle. There's just no benefit to keeping Folca alive over Ace here. | ||
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On November 04 2008 10:36 Empyrean wrote: @MTF, Yes there is, and it's the possibility of him being able to use his powers again if some paramedics protect him. Mafia have the dilemma of how many hits to put on him and whether or not to use a suicide bomber on him, because they don't know what the paramedics are going to do. It's possible that none of them protect him, and mafia waste 3 hits on him, or even better, a suicide bomber, because they expect the paramedics to save him. So if they know this, they could use only one hit on him, knowing that paramedics might not save him. But then again, the paramedics might, so they just wasted a hit. See where I'm going with this? Yeah, this argument keeps being repeated. But the main problem I have with it is that there is equal opportunity for the same to happen to Ace if we lynch Folca and he turns up red. If Folca is red, then mafia has to decide whether or not to risk hitting Ace without knowing what sort of medic protection he will/will not get, same as with Folca. Both, if innocent, may absord hits the following night. In addition to this, Ace is not guaranteed to be under fire in the case that Folca turns up red, because mafia might reserve hits for others so that town has to decide whether or not to lynch Ace tomorrow or keep him alive. Folca will not get the same luxury, regardless. So, the question here is not whether or not hits will be used on whoever doesn't get lynched, but rather who we believe is more likely to be red and, if we are right, who would more likely live into the following day. The answer to the former can go either way, but the answer to the latter lies with Ace, not Folca. | ||
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Let this be a note to all the other detectives and Jacks out there: DON'T REVEAL YOUR ROLE WITHOUT EVIDENCE Caps and bolding may be a little overboard, but I cannot stress the importance of this, and how big of a mistake Folca made. Yeah, we're getting Ace on our next lynching, but if Folca had kept quiet then nobody would have had reason to suspect him and he could've built up a solid case against Ace + other people through other checks and clues. In short, don't become a martyr without good reason and sufficient evidence. | ||
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On November 05 2008 01:03 Empyrean wrote: Honestly, I think vigis should definitely target Ace, as he's a sure mafia. We don't need to waste 48 hours of discussion on him for lynching...instead, we should wait for night clues, use those 48 hours to do analysis and then lynch someone new. My suggestion for vigis is to kill Ace, decaf, and MidnightGladius. I also suspect BloodyCobbler, but that may be just me. I agree with the vigikilling of Ace instead of wasting our period of discussion during the lynching period on him. I don't agree with exposing all three vigilantes (assuming they could even spread out their hits as uncoordinated units) to clue analysis by the mafia at the very beginning, however. Nor do I agree with targeting decaf or MidnightGladius just yet. Yeah, they both have clues that could point to them on the first day, and their behavior has been a little suspect, but I don't feel comfortable at all with hitting them based off of clues this early. | ||
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On November 06 2008 17:43 clazziquai wrote: Oh true, I totally forgot the possibility of him being veteran. I don't find a reason for Plexa to NOT have gotten hit if he is not mafia. These are the scenarios: 1. Mafia - obviously mafia can't lynch fellow mafiosos  2. Veteran - Probably took a hit tonight 3. Protected by medic Anyways, who's willing to do clue analysis? I have to study for an exam atm. =.= I'm doing it at the moment, but it really is a pain in the ass with all these adjectives. T_T I'm about halfway done with listing possible suspects in cross-reference to an overall view on each paragraphs tone/traits. | ||
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Anonymous: + Show Spoiler [Original Quote] + Audaciously anticipating accessible attempts, an anonymous assumed a angle. As Empyrean advanced around adversely, his advantage abated. As abruptly as Empyrean agitated, an anonymous accelerated. Aroused, an anonymous attacked actively accusing an abrasion abhorrent and animating. Anemic and asthmatic Empyrean assuredly after all'ed. + Show Spoiler + Seems to be someone quick moving and reactive. Perhaps medical related people should be under scrutiny, too, as per the end result. Man: + Show Spoiler [Original Quote] + Marked man maneuvered muted into mysterious mien. Alventenie mindlessly massaged as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing. Mediating machete with misfit, man murderously mutilated Alventenie monstrously. Murdered and massacred, Alventenie mangled the mat. + Show Spoiler + Someone concealed, as related by such words as "muted", "mysterious", and the seemingly innocent nature of Man precluding the "[murderous] mutilation". Certainly a violent person, and perhaps someone with ties to mythical beasts/monsters, due to the description "monstrously". Individual: + Show Spoiler [Original Quote] + Indifference innovated the ingenious individual to invent initiative. Instinctively individual intervened impetuously in Caller, inflicting insult and injury. Irrationally irritated, Caller insisted in improvement. Insulted, individual interpreted it as an insurrection and inflated Caller into inextricable. + Show Spoiler + Shows an intellectual or prideful leaning, in which Individual is at first indifferent until Caller disagrees with him, at which point Caller is murdered in some complex way. Look for vanity. Neighbor: + Show Spoiler [Original Quote] + Nervously Fishball nudged nearly to navigator. Nefarious neighbor non-belligerently narrowed nukes nearer. Nastily needling nuggets, nefarious neighbor naturally newbied Fishball. Nevermore. + Show Spoiler + I'd like to take a moment to say that "non-belligerently narrowed nukes nearer" is positively fun to read. :p As for the analysis, this one is the hardest to call. "Nefarious" itself just means someone openly against the town/evil, and the only person that comes to mind for that right now is Ace. Perhaps a sea or "The Raven" theme is applicable. Possible connections to the general tones: (Bolded names are those I feel are potentially strong as suspects. In the case that I didn't have a personally strong suspect, I bolded a single one in the paragraph that I thought was the strongest of those I presented.) Anonymous: + Show Spoiler + imDerek: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Very weak connection in medical terms, having "errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" in his quote, which may be construed as ER. It should be noted, though, that nothing in his profile lends itself much to clue making. XCetron: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Cetron is the last name of one Dr. Martin Cetron, direction of a division of the CDC. Again, a weak connection to the medical end of Anonymous. Falcynn: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Blurring the name into "falcon" you get a very agile, quick bird. Mandalor: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: The Mandalorians are a warrior race from the Star Wars universe. Very loose connection to the speed/reactive way Anonymous acted. G.s)Naruto: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Naruto is a ninja, and ninjas are fast! Yeah, I know. Man: + Show Spoiler + fusionsdf: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Weak connection using the bottom paragraph in his profile quote, which tells a story of quiet kid going on to some sort of conflict. No real evidence of violence, however. Chezinu: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Weak connection with his profile quote. Inhuman entity, whose intentions and past are unknown, yet suspected to be evil in some way. Mynock: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Take a look at this page. They are described as a parasite, which is certainly a hidden entity, that could cause sudden "catastrophic failure" if not caught in time. (in other words, death) Adding to this, they are a creature, which goes along with the "monstrously" in Man's paragraph. ShadowDrgn: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Shadow = Hidden, Dragon = violent creature. It is clean, simple, and goes pretty well with the analysis. I could bold this, but I feel like Mynock is a much stronger fit due to its better complexity. Falcynn: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Mostly just putting this out there for humor value. The bunny, a creature normally viewed as gentle, suddenly starts moshing violently! I thought it was fun and even a little apt, though I seriously doubt it's correct. :p Individual: + Show Spoiler + Yogurt: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Essentially regard this as filler, since I felt the need to populate this list with at least one person. States that he's "real yogurt" instead "...that shitty drinkable kind." Pride and vanity! We have a mafia for sure, people.  KH1031: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Profile quote is on a subject of national pride, and could potentially be a touchy one if disagreed with, causing a sudden conflict. FakeSteve: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: This begins and ends with one fact: He has his own fanclub. This provides a potential backdrop for vanity, though I don't think this is a strong connection. Neighbor: + Show Spoiler + Clazziquai: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Very questionable tie-in to a "navigator" theme from his quote "#1 Sea.Really Fan". Not at all strong. JeeJee: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: His quote: "It brings tears of joy to my eyes to see the tears of angst in theirs." Pretty indicative of a maligned viewpoint towards a group. goldenkrnboi: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Questionable connection through his quote: "Dear Light, please die. Hate, GKB." Light could be interpreted as the "good" side, and telling it to die is pretty evil. :p Falcynn: + Show Spoiler + Reasoning: Very questionable connection train between Falcynn -> Falcon -> Bird -> Raven. Alright, that's it for tonight. It's nearing 3:30am here and I've been up for about 22 of the past 24 hours. Take a look and see what you guys think. I don't know that I've pinned anybody yet, but there are reasonably strong connections in there. I'll check todays clues against the first days tomorrow, see if I can't strengthen any. Night, all. | ||
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A) You get a lot of suspects that you have nothing else on. B) You get a one or two suspects that you have nothing else on. Either way makes absolutely no sense, as it's either too easy or too hard to connect today to anybody. It's a waste of a clue opportunity. And to refute your comment on my own analysis, each of those paragraphs, despite the abundance of adjectives, has a followable theme. (with the exception of the Neighbor, which is all over the place) That's what I used to map out my clues, not taking random words from the paragraphs. As for yours, BC: I'm glad you're thinking more abstractly, but the entire Day post cannot be dedicated to just one mafia, and thus cannot be a single centralized idea. Edit: This is not to say that the alliteration is neccessarily something to be ignored, merely that it cannot be our only clue. | ||
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On November 07 2008 02:58 Mynock wrote: That is why you need cross-referencing, and not just going off of one day's worth of clues, be it alliteration or the words themselves. Which is what I'm working on at present. But, your own solution to the matter still makes no logical sense given Chuiu's past and the presumed aptitude of the town. | ||
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On November 07 2008 03:12 Mynock wrote: It does make sense, because Chuiu never wrote in alliteration before. There is also something else that you seem to miss, namely that these sentences don't even make sense. There are certain "odd words out" in there, that don't belong in at all, like: "actively accusing an abrasion abhorrent and animating" - this makes no sense whatsoever. Same with "as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing." Or "inflated Caller into inextricable." And both "Nastily needling nuggets" as well as "narrowed nukes nearer" don't really make any sense either. The rest of the clues can be transcribed and interpreted as basic actions, like "moves closer, moved away, attacked, defended, died, etc...", but unless I really missed something, the ones I quoted make no sense to me whatsoever, and thus stand out oddly. "actively accusing an abrasion abhorrent and animating" Set into motion, Anonymous attacked, actively accusing Empyrean of a light wound that Man finds loathsome/insulting and moves him into action. (being the death of Empyrean) "as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing" Alventenie mindlessly massaged as Man made idle conversation about pleasant times in the past, during which time the milestone (a reference to a changing point, which is right before Alventenie dies) appears. "inflated Caller into inextricable" Insulted, Individual saw Caller's criticism as open revolt and [killed Caller*] in an impossibly complex way. *the inflated is literally the only thing that doesn't make sense in this sentence "Nastily needling nuggets" With mean intent, Neighbor needled (to pierce with objects) Fishball with a small lump of something. "narrowed nukes nearer" The evil-minded Neighbor, ill-intent in mind, focused his weapon closer to Fishball. It's all there, in the words. Just not spelled out so clearly. Also, I never said that the alliteration means nothing. Just that it would be faulty logic to think it has anything to do with the letters of anyone's names. | ||
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On November 07 2008 03:15 fusionsdf wrote: yes, but the overarching theme could point to one mafia, with small clues in each paragraph devoted to the other mafia. Very much a possibility. On November 07 2008 03:36 Scorch wrote: To inflate = to blow up, perhaps using explosives? Just a thought. Haha, I kept picturing him sticking an air pump into Caller's mouth, but explosives seem much more likely. :p | ||
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Possible connections between Day 1 and Day 2: Anonymous: "The former mayor flung downward violently and lunged back and forth trying to escape." Just an example of quick movement, not a very strong connection. "A few people didn't know what was going on but a riot broke out quickly." Strong reactive quality mixed with speed. Man: Can't find any connections. Individual: Can't find any connections. Neighbor: "Vengeance was the theme and they felt nothing but ill regard for many of Chuiu's accusers." Strong mention of the open ill-intent aspect of Neighbor. | ||
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I vote to lynch Ace. | ||
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Mafia has to be hurting now, losing three members right in a row for very little. If we can pin one of them tonight, we've pretty much secured ourselves a victory, barring any incredibly bad luck.Alright, I'll do some basic clue stuff while I'm on and cross-reference it to the other Day posts later tonight. 'Since there are no names being used this time around, I'll just quote relevant sections and call them Mafia A, B, etc.. Mafia A: "Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent." Well, this one is pretty glaring. Somebody is on fire or superheated in some way. "His opponent tripped him also to the ground and quickly got up to his feet, with time to spare he picked the best place to strike and crushed Yogurt's chest." "With time to spare" seems like the clue here. It suggests that Mafia A is either very fast or some more general relation to time. Mafia B: "just as little luck with his opponent and things got worse when it turned into a knife fight." Maybe referring to someone with bad luck. "His agile opponent grabbed Mandalor on the shoulder and pulled him close" Another fast person, more bluntly spelled in Mafia B's case. "To finish Mandalor off he pulled the blade all the way to the other end of his stomach." I don't what to make of it, but it is a peculiar way to die. Perhaps it indicates strength or some other physical feature, but I doubt it. I expect it will be something more subtle than that. Mafia C: "investigating a sound he heard behind his house but now he was fighting someone unknown to him." I saw this all over the place last game...Maybe a recurring Mafia? We have three former mafia members playing in this game: Clazziquai, Infundibulum, and KF91. The person who was most related to sound last game was KF91. "Being a trained martial artist he was able to block most of his opponents attacks but wasn't able to land many off himself." Whoever he is, he's hard, but not impossible, to hit. I can't see any direct relation to the three former Mafia, so perhaps the first clue isn't a clue at all. "However with a forceful push bumatlarge fell to the ground and his opponent had plenty of time to pull out a pistol and shoot him in the head." I'm confused about the wording here. I can't tell who is the one that did the pushing, which could be a key point, especially if it was Bum. It may be some sort of reactive force? Either that or just something resolute/strong pushing Bum down. Mafia(s) D: (note that Decaf was one of the mafia in this, so this should all pertain to just one person) "found two people trying to scale the side of the building. When they spotted Amber[Light] they started walking towards him instead." Seeing as it involves two people, it may not be a clue. On the chance that it is, however, it should be noted that they were only trying, implying perhaps something/someone that would find it difficult to climb a wall. "Amber[Light], feeling quite threatened," Person is perhaps intimidating, though I hesitate to say so given the next clue. "One of them restrained Amber[Light] lightly and pulled out a small knife to kill him with. Amber[Light] broke free and started to run away" Note the key details. "lightly", "small knife" and that Amber broke free. We're dealing with a weak individual. "then abandoned his partner and ran off as he was being shot at himself." A coward as well? | ||
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I vote to lynch Fanatacist. If Fanatacist doesn't turn up red, I hope Fusion survives to tell us who the DT was. | ||
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I couldn't find any relations between Day 1 and Day 3, and only one between Day 2 and Day 3. I'm not too worried about it, though. I think we'll see red tonight, and then I'll have another set of clues to interpret that might lead into a more cohesive view. The clues should start merging together more easily in the next few Day cycles, and if they don't then I'll just have to redo them all with a fresh eye. Mafia A (Day 3) & Anonymous (Day 2): The only tangible connection I can find is that they are both quick moving and reactive. Possible confliction with the deaths, as Empyrean died in relation to medical terms, and there is no mention of being burnt by Anonymous. | ||
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However, I still disagree with the alliteration thing. For a brief reason as to why: (italics are possible inclusions if you want to provide that leeway) A Names (5/6): + Show Spoiler + Araav Ace Alventenie Amber[Light] Artanis[Xp] [Gitm-]Ace I Names (2): + Show Spoiler + imDerek Infundibulum M Names (5): + Show Spoiler + Mikeymoo MTF Mynock MidnightGladius Mandalor N Names (1/3): + Show Spoiler + Nemy Rts)Night[mare G.s)Naruto Now, just looking at the numbers alone, how likely do you think it is that Chuiu would hand us this information, presuming that the alliteration is based off of the first word of a persons name? There were only two people with the letter I, and just one (or three if you make the exception, but even still) in the letter N. If it feels at all logical to conclude that the alliteration has this meaning, then I'd like to hear why, without the post hoc reasoning involving the currently dead mafia representing letters so far present. Personally, I don't think Chuiu thinks we are dumb enough to need that sort of help. If you feel like lynching me based off of clues, that's fine, if ironic for me. But please don't do it because my name starts with the letter M. :p On a non-me related topic, it's nice to see that Fanatacist turned up red. I honestly didn't think fusion was mafia in the first place, and him coming out with info after what happened on the first day cemented his innocence. Also, wow, vigilantes have been pretty damn accurate and active thus far, which is a smart decision on their parts. A vigi killed before hits are out is a waste. Town is an incredibly good position to win because of some brilliant play. As for Plexa, the clues against him are pretty weak with the exception of the missing set of prints and the original clue that might have been linked to the spirit thing on the first day. I don't agree with lynching him yet, but I do say that it would be a good idea to keep him in mind in case stronger clues present themselves. Speaking of, it's time for me to do my thing. | ||
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~Sorry this took so long. This is my second time writing this, as the first time one of my hard drives stopped being read and my entire computer froze to the point that I couldn't save the document, and then I got wrapped up for a bit helping my fiance with a phonetics project.~ It's getting really difficult to organize this because of mafia not really having any names this time around.  I'm going to assume that MidnightGladius was a vigikill based on the fact that he was a town suspect and mafia only had three hits, so I won't analyze that paragraph. I'll be doing this in a point-by-point manner, so that reasoning can be easily followed. O, and thanks to araav for the profile list - it makes my job much easier."Time wasn't wasted as the two men attacked aZnvaLiaNce and Bockit." Time is again featured. However, I don't think it's a broad-sweeping time reference, but rather a frame of, given that it shows up frequently throughout the other Day posts as well. In this specific instance, it suggests that one/both of the mafia involved here are either timely or impatient/enthusiastic. Mafia S: (they aren't named, but it's easy to follow still who was attacking who) + Show Spoiler [Clues] + "The first took bold strikes at his opponent and did very little damage as Bockit defended himself against the attacks. This is a very telling set of clues. It implicates somebody both fearless/eager and yet weak at the same time. "Bockit went on the offense and started landing blow after blow on his opponent who was backing up in defense." Alongside doing little damage, he isn't very good at protecting himself. "Bockit continued to follow his opponent further but soon stopped as he was tripped to the ground." So, the weak mafia isn't entirely defenseless, as he trips Bockit up somehow as he retreats. Perhaps a trap or extending body part. "Bockit was quickly restrained and found his opponent wrapping something around his neck and tightening it, causing him to lose his breath. Don't know exactly what to make of this. Perhaps the same object that Bockit tripped over is in use here. "Bockit struggled all he could but eventually suffocated to death." I'm not sure there's a clue here, but it could relate to the earlier clues regarding the mafia's own personality. Possible Connections: [Gitm]-Ace: + Show Spoiler + His quote connects to Mafia S being determined, yet ultimately inadequate. It also may directly connect with the phrase "struggled all he could". I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. | ||
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Mafia T: + Show Spoiler [Clues] + "The other waited in defense and taunted aZnvaLiaNce to attack him first." The mafia is on the defensive, most certainly. "aZnvaLiaNce finally did strike first but was quickly stopped as his opponent stopped defending and struck at an exposed spot, causing aZnvaLiaNce to fall to the ground instantly in pain. Not much to say here, just noting it. "aZnvaLiaNce got up and just as he did so he was head butted and knocked back to the ground." He either doesn't have hands to strike with or just has a strong head. "aZnvaLiaNce was pretty dizzy after the blow and stumbled to his feet, but didn't get far as he was grabbed by his opponent." This suggests that the mafia does indeed have hands, so the headbutting is either not a clue, or is indicative of a preference for using the head to strike, not a requirement. "Readied for a final blow, aZnvaLiaNce was struck hard by another headbutt, this one shattering his skull and killing him in the process." So, here is another headbutt, which actually shatters Azn's skull. This shows that he has a pretty damn strong skeletal structure or head. Possible Connections: MTF: + Show Spoiler + Picture may relate to the defensive nature of Mafia T. Also, if a turtle were to attack, it would probably have to use its head, though the grabbing of Azn leaves a hole in this connection. Mafia U: + Show Spoiler [Clues] + "Looking down he saw that the battery wire was loose almost as if it had been tugged off the connector from a weird angel." I'm assuming the last word was meant to be angle. It is not instantly indicative of anything, but it's something to note. "G.s)NarutO was pulled by his hair away from the van and his opponent shared a few blows to the chest with him." The first bolded portion (and indeed most of the paragraph) indicates a brawler-type personality to me. The second portion is peculiar, as its wording (shared with him instead of hit by/hit him) displays a mirrored effect. "Trying to get away G.s)NarutO threw a couple needles in his pocket at his assailant but it did little good especially considering they were safely covered." Ignoring that they were covered, it seems the personal is either impervious or at least tough to hit/penetrate. "Cracking a needle on the ground his opponent walked toward G.s)NarutO and gave him an uppercut sending him flying backward landing on the ground. Again, the brawler aspect. Also, because I'm thinking about the "hard to hit" aspect in relation to Plexa's spirit stuff, note that the mafia cracks a needle that he walks over and is thus solid. "Just before he could get up he felt the stab of the unshattered needle in his skin and fell unconscious. G.s)NarutO died shortly after when injected by several more of his needles." Note that Naruto dies by his own medicines, which may coincide with the "shared blows" earlier. Possible Connections: Zbir: + Show Spoiler + Zbir in Polish (at least according to this online Polish/English dictionary) means ruffian, thug, myrmidon, or bully. The fighting style of Mafia U is consistent with this definition. _______________________ So, I just connected three people, including myself, upon my analysis of todays clues. I feel most strongly about the connection to [Gitm-]Ace, but seeing as there's already a movement to lynch ZBiR, I will vote for him instead. I vote to lynch ZBiR. | ||
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As for my defense, I don't believe I can come up with a solid one. I'm stuck with my turtle here. :p GG and GL, all. Edit: O, and I vote for [GiTM-]Ace. | ||
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On November 17 2008 07:52 ~OpZ~ wrote: ;-;....I still refuse to think you're mafia... Sorry to disappoint. T_T GG, guys. | ||
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On November 19 2008 01:56 imDerek wrote: haha im the last detective.. checked plexa yesterday turns out he is indeed mafia, good work townies This makes everything all the more humorous. XD To clarify what others were saying earlier in reference to you getting killed: We wanted to kill you off on the same day that Nemy went boom and decaf got vigi'ed. But, because of one/both of them dying, our killing power got cut for the night and you were the exclusion from the list. Then we wanted to put you into the next one, but priorities came up in other people, so you were excluded again. By the way, I don't blame anybody for mafia-side getting essentially steamrolled this game. Town just played a brilliant behind-the-scenes game and worked very well together to take us out piece by piece. | ||
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On November 19 2008 05:43 Mandalor wrote: But why did you kill meeeeeeeee? 8[ sucks dying so early every mafia game... gg town! we rock :D Mostly because you were attempting to organize town. We had a false security in thinking that town couldn't organize so early in a quiet way with no mayor. So, in our minds, people attempting openly to get everyone together should get killed off quickly. We were, y'know, wrong about the behind-the-sceneds | ||
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On November 19 2008 06:56 fusionsdf wrote: also why was I like never targeted lol I was both assumed innocent, and had obviously made contact with a DT and yet you guys only sent one hit after me once We didn't feel it was prudent to kill you off immediately. I had hoped you'd feel some sort of comraderie with me and Plexa from the past game. The night Nemy blew up we hit you just hoping all the medics were on Mynock, but we got outmaneuvered badly there. Thereafter, we figured that we should try to root out the DT/Vigi team instead of the outspoken people, and also figured that you would still be protected. With three hits at that point, using all three on you with the chance to still not kill you off wasn't such an appealing idea. :p | ||
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On November 19 2008 09:53 JeeJee wrote: i doubt that meant anything to the mafia mtf help me out here? I thought you might have had a role or at least have been in contact with the organizers, and that's what we were targetting for. That's the beginning and end of it, really. : x | ||
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On November 19 2008 10:39 Chuiu wrote: Sorry I didn't have time to post roles and everything earlier, I'll get them up in the next hour or two but I'm still a bit busy. I'll post clues tomorrow sometime as I don't have those ready either. For the record the whole N for nemy A for Ace, m for MTF etc stuff wasn't the clues for day two either. The nuke in N was the clue and it pointed to Plexa. Explanation: Plexa banned opz or in other words he 'nuked' him (gave him the nuke icon). It wasn't an easy clue and I didn't expect anyone to get it but I also really didn't think anyone would interpret letters being associated with names especially considering people have symbols at the start of their names sometimes also. I used different letters because I really couldn't see myself coming up with 4 different deaths using the same letter without getting more redundant than I already was and because I had to use specific words to make clues with. (hence N for nuke) And you gotta understand, mafia, I can't just step in and start saying 'no that doesn't point to that' or whatever to save you guys from sudden death. I don't think any of us expected this. Don't worry about it. I knew that the alliteration couldn't really be pointing to letters in our names, anyway. I wasn't just denying it's existence because I was mafia, guys. :p Seriously, you'd have to think Chuiu was essentially handing you an easy guidebook to who to kill off, especially when you take into account that Nemy was the only true N. | ||
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On November 19 2008 12:14 fusionsdf wrote: Maybe you would, but plexa should know how paranoid I am Ah, well. :p We made a mistake in not hitting you earlier. Plexa wasn't around much to advise us on that aspect, but that wasn't his fault. | ||
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