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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
March 15 2008 19:19 GMT
#229
12 pages and the game hasn't even started yet. : x
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
March 18 2008 02:11 GMT
#281
On March 18 2008 11:05 randombum wrote:
So... any rough estimate on when u pass out roles tonight chuiu?


If he extended to exactly a day past when he originally intended to do roles, it should be in about two hours.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
March 27 2008 19:54 GMT
#3178
On March 28 2008 02:20 Ace wrote:
Ok so lets do it like this:

a.) check if that clue about severed head points to Ghar

b.) role check wurm

c.) lynch wurm anyway

I think that covers everything right?



c.)

Not cooperating on a united front and unconfirmed track record as a supposed medic.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
March 30 2008 04:38 GMT
#3511
On March 30 2008 13:07 Plexa wrote:
MTF as Enigma
+ Show Spoiler [Enigma] +
Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"

The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".
Traits
- Righteous
- Eager to to what he sees is right

This is rather nice "The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out." hello Enigma's persona! rather sure about this clue too


You know you're a narcissistic bastard when you enjoy being analyzed for a forum game. :B

*points to self*

The only people I have any real suspicion of are bumatlarge and Queasy, both on seemingly the same set of clues. But, last game the clues that we (or at least I) thought were all interconnected were not; there would be clues for multiple people while just one mafia persona was being referenced.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 06 2008 18:03 GMT
#3781
On April 07 2008 02:51 Jimtudor wrote:
hmm, I think next game detectives should be able to check how many mafia abstained. Or can they do check now?


Detectives can't check the abstain list, only lists of who voted for specific people.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 07 2008 16:12 GMT
#3838
One of the ways we could approach this is similar to what Ace devised earlier, splitting a vote into two groups.

Just take the confirmed innocents and have them all abstain/vote for a specific suspicious person, while the rest are split into several groups to vote for other specific people, then have DT check the lists.

In this manner, we know how many active voters = mafia and how many inactive are, and if we get very lucky, we could possibly get a slightly more significant number into a single list to narrow down the percentage of error.

And, of course

We have the following certain information:
EITHER one out of
- imDerek
- Evilmonkey
- Alventenie
is mafia, OR two out of
- Chezinu
- useLess
- aZnvaLiaNce
- fusionsdf
are mafia.
From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia.


Everyone should be examining these people.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 10 2008 16:19 GMT
#4031
Unless the votes look stacked against another strong suspect, I'll be voting for useless. He seems to blatantly be Black Mamba as every encounter he is in, he is hit/misses his own hit.

Looking into other clues at the moment.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-10 19:30:12
April 10 2008 19:05 GMT
#4045
So after a few hours of off and on searching through every profile twice, I've come up with depressingly few links.

Lysithea: Possibly Mr. Pink

- Signature quote is from Ali, boxer and certainly able fighter.
- Doesn't fit with the quiet clue, however.

JimTudor: Possibly Mr. Blonde

- Name is linked to a hockey player.

I guess I'll be voting to lynch L and useless.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 12 2008 10:00 GMT
#4284
Cross-referencing the Mandalor list and the list Ace posted of people who rarely post:

ieatkids5 - voted everyday except Day 1
Alethios - voted everyday
ZBiR - voted everyday except Day 4
Unforgiven_ve - voted everyday except day 3
GranDim - voted everyday
LoStYouRSkiLLS - only voted Day 1 and nothing else
Lysithea - did everything
SoleSteeler - did everything
GeneralStan - voted everyday except day 4
BWdero - done everything
butidigress - did everything
unsoundlogic - didnt vote Day 1
decafchicken - did everything


All on Ace's list and the Mandalor list. Gonna look into these peoples voting records, see if any of them are clumped together anywhere.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-12 11:05:12
April 12 2008 11:03 GMT
#4294
I will not count inactive votes beyond the Mayoral election.

Known Mafia Voting Patterns:


Mandalor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace.
Day 2: Abstain. Died this cycle.


Queasy: [Fairly certain he was inactive after the beginning, given that he never voted again.]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar.
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Died this cycle



Total Similar Mafia Votes:

Mayoral Vote: None.
Day 2: Two did not vote.
Day 3: No second votes.
Day 4: No votes/abstained.
Day 5: ~



Suspect Voting Patterns:


ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


Alethios:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Useless
Day 5: Suresh0t and fusion.


ZBiR:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm and BlindAlbino.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu


GranDim:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


LoStYouRSkiLLS: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Actually not on the Mandalor list in Chuiu's blog...?
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Lysithea:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


SoleSteeler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: L and Siefu.


GeneralStan:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


BWdero:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.


butidigress:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.


unsoundlogic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


decafchicken:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.



Total Similar Suspect Votes:

Mayoral Vote: Two no votes, four votes for Randombum, five votes for Empyrean.
Day 2: Goes without saying.
Day 3: Three for Ghar with no second vote, two no votes, five Wurm with no second vote.
Day 4: Ten abstain/no vote, two for TranceStorm.
Day 5: Seven voted for nobody, four for EvilMonkey and Siefu.


Combined Totals - Mafia and Suspects:

Mayoral vote: One Mafia and four suspects voted Randombum. One Mafia and one suspect voted for Ace. One Mafia and two suspects voted for nobody.

Day 3: Two Mafia and eight suspects had no second votes.

Day 4: Two Mafia and nine suspects did not vote or abstained.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 11:56:28
April 12 2008 13:03 GMT
#4306
Vote count for known Mafia and people not dead/confirmed innocent on the Mandalor list...I will not count inactive votes beyond the Mayoral election.

+ Show Spoiler [All Individual Votes] +

Known Mafia Voting Patterns:


BlindAlbino:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Mandalor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace.
Day 2: Abstain. Died this cycle.


Queasy: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar.
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Died this cycle



Total Similar Mafia Votes:

Mayoral Vote: None.
Day 2: Two did not vote.
Day 3: No second votes.
Day 4: No votes/abstained.
Day 5: ~



Suspect Voting Patterns:


ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Two voted for Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


Alethios:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Useless
Day 5: Suresh0t and fusion.


ZBiR:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm and BlindAlbino.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu


GranDim:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


LoStYouRSkiLLS: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Actually not on the Mandalor list in Chuiu's blog...?
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Lysithea:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


SoleSteeler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: L and Siefu.


GeneralStan:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


BWdero:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.


butidigress:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.


unsoundlogic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


decafchicken:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


Last Romantic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: SoleSteeler, no second vote.


ShaLLoW[baY]:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Queasy
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.


qrs:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Araav
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Araav
Day 5: Suresh0t and Fusion.


clazziquai:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


ahrara_:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Falcynn:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.


Scorch:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Siefu, no second vote.


nemY:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.


MidnightGladius:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


L:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


Eti307:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.


suresh0t:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


randombum:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.


Artanis[Xp]:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


Ninja4ever.:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Naib:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Fusion
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


Romance_us:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


RtS)Night[Mare:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


Jimtudor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.


Lenwe:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.


NatsuTerran:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Ninja4ever.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


0cz3c:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


zeks:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: L, no second vote.


Pangolin:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Energies
Day 5: No vote.


SpiritoftheTuna:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.


Energies:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: d.arkive (Day before he blew himself up, however.)
Day 5: No vote.


BloodyC0bbler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


iNfuNdiBuLuM:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


SoMuchBetter: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.


Camlito:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.


fanatacist:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.


SonuvBob:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Randombum.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.



TOTAL VOTE TALLY
minus Ace and Plexa to save me some time


~Mayoral Vote~

Abstain/No vote: One Mafia and eight suspects.
Ace: One Mafia and eleven suspects.
Fusion: No Mafia and two suspects.
Randombum: Two Mafia and eleven suspects.
Empyrean: No Mafia and twelve suspects. I do not think any Mafia would vote for Empyrean after knowing he's a detective, so maybe those who did should be considered somewhat vindicated.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.


Day 3:

No vote: One suspect.
Bumatlarge, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.
Ace, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.

Ghar, no second vote: Nine suspects.
Ghar and Wurm: Three suspects.
Ghar and Showtime!: Four suspects.
Ghar and Bumatlarge: Five suspects.
Ghar and Ninja4ever: One suspect.
Ghar and Randombum: One suspect.

Wurm, no second vote: Thirteen suspects.
Wurm and BlindAlbino: One suspect.
Wurm and Queasy: One (Shallow[Bay]) suspect.
Wurm and Showtime!: Two suspects.
Wurm and Bumatlarge: One suspect.


Day 4:

No vote/Abstain: Two Mafia and thirty-two suspects.
Useless: No Mafia and one suspect.
Trancestorm: No Mafia and six suspects.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.
Fusion: No Mafia and one suspect.
Energies: No Mafia and one suspect.
D.arkive: No Mafia and one (Energies) suspect.


Day 5:

No vote/Abstain: Twenty-two suspects, seventeen of which did not vote/abstained on Day 4 as well.
Evilmonkey and Siefu: Thirteen suspects.
Suresh0t and Fusion: Two suspects.
L and Siefu: One suspect.
Solesteeler, no second vote: One suspect.
Siefu, no second vote: One suspect.
Bugzitooni, no second vote: One suspect.
L, no second vote: One suspect.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sadly, my efforts seemed to have been for nil, as I can find no discernable patterns. I thought perhaps that the large portion of Mafia and original suspects that abstained on days 4 and 5 might point to something helpful, but so many people either stopped voting or abstained that it's buried any helpful material that might be there. : /

As for who I personally feel is guilty/innocent on the list...The only person I'm reasonably sure (outside of Ace/Plexa) that is innocent is Shallow. Not because of his voting for Queasy, but just his general helpful approach this game and that he's voted a straight townie line, aka not spreading votes all over the place.

I have some general suspicions about many of the people left, but nothing concrete lines up with them yet. Time to dive back into the profiles.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 12 2008 14:00 GMT
#4309
L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.

Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +
Original Message:
hi!

i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:

"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."

this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.

now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...

Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.

furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.

and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.
.

Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.

Looking into others...
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-12 14:43:49
April 12 2008 14:13 GMT
#4311
Aznvaliance made the first post about TranceStorm's name being connected to electricity. LTT posted the same idea a few pages later, but didn't seem too convinced of it.

Naib was advocating a double lynch to get both Useless (confirmed innocent now) and TranceStorm or Energies. Nothing solid on him, but his post rings of false enthusiasm to me. I'll look to see if I can connect anything to chess, royalty, or things that begin one way many times but always end up different later.

Nobody else really seems to have pushed for TranceStorm's demise.


GeneralStan questioned Ace's role after Ace told everyone to lynch Mandalor. BlindAlbino questioned Mandalors' guilt and then stated he believes str to be Mafia. Infundibulum made what could be interpreted as an almost passive-aggressive remark about Mandalor being doomed, then went on to accuse Ghar, str, Energies, Kau, and LostYourSkills.

Nobody else made any remarks of note that I saw. Nobody tried to stand in the way of Evilmonkey going down either, from what I saw.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 12 2008 20:09 GMT
#4329
Just as a sort of summary for myself from that false list...

Innocents:

Empyrean - Dead/innocent.
Plexa - Most probably innocent.
~OpZ~ - Proven innocent.

Unknowns

MTF - Innocent, but can't really prove that. :p
JoxxOr

SpiritoftheTuna - On the Mandalor list.
Pangolin - On the Mandalor list.
NatsuTerran - On the Mandalor list.
Eti307 - On the Mandalor list.
Romance_us - On the Mandalor list.
BloodyC0bbler - On the Mandalor list.

Mafia

d.arkive - Mafia



I'm fairly sure there can't be more than one Mafia left altogether in that list, unless Mafia got greedy and tried to get a large early boost. What I think is more likely is that everyone remaining on the list is innocent; Mafia knew d.arkive would be revealed at some point and I don't think they'd risk throwing more Mafia in such a list as bait later. Unless we're dealing with stupid people, but based on the number of blues dead, I doubt it. Also, I don't remember the exact timing of this list, but I know I was a suspect of Plexa's for a little bit, so all the more reason for me to be on a fake list with a confirmed Mafia in it.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 10:32 GMT
#4380
On April 13 2008 18:00 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote:
L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.

Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +
Original Message:
hi!

i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:

"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."

this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.

now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...

Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.

furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.

and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.
.

Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.

Looking into others...

That PM came from me. It appears you think that makes me mafia. It does not.

First, read again what I wrote and tell me what of that is complete made-up bullshit. With the knowledge we had at that point, I think it all made sense. I just wrote what I thought was the truth.
Second, had I wanted to start a bandwagon, I would've posted this in the thread instead of in a PM. I posted this privately because I wanted Plexa's opinion on my thoughts.
Third, you'll have to admint that there really was a lot of plausible evidence against Ghar (especially that picture), which made 30 people believe he was guilty. I was not the only one who thought he was mafia.


Nah, I don't automatically assume that you are Mafia because of the PM. It does, however, put you under more scrutiny. I know everyone believed Ghar was guilty and I mentioned that the clues did seem to add up, but I have to look more closely at those who seemed to push the most at the beginning and tried to allay doubts as to the persons guilt.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 11:53 GMT
#4384
On April 13 2008 20:24 Plexa wrote:
oh hey MTF is not necessarily innocent anymore!


Indeed! :p

On April 13 2008 05:09 MTF wrote:
Just as a sort of summary for myself from that false list...

Innocents:

Empyrean - Dead/innocent.
Plexa - Most probably innocent.
~OpZ~ - Proven innocent.

Unknowns

MTF - Innocent, but can't really prove that. :p
JoxxOr

SpiritoftheTuna - On the Mandalor list.
Pangolin - On the Mandalor list.
NatsuTerran - On the Mandalor list.
Eti307 - On the Mandalor list.
Romance_us - On the Mandalor list.
BloodyC0bbler - On the Mandalor list.

Mafia

d.arkive - Mafia



I'm fairly sure there can't be more than one Mafia left altogether in that list, unless Mafia got greedy and tried to get a large early boost. What I think is more likely is that everyone remaining on the list is innocent; Mafia knew d.arkive would be revealed at some point and I don't think they'd risk throwing more Mafia in such a list as bait later. Unless we're dealing with stupid people, but based on the number of blues dead, I doubt it. Also, I don't remember the exact timing of this list, but I know I was a suspect of Plexa's for a little bit, so all the more reason for me to be on a fake list with a confirmed Mafia in it.


Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 16:17 GMT
#4392
On April 14 2008 00:40 Plexa wrote:

On a more serious note, here are my suspects:
---- HIGH----
SoMuchBetter - Californian Mountain Snake
Jimtudor - Mr Red
Lysithea - Moon clue



---MEDIUM------
nemY - Faces meeting
Naib - Enigma/Joe (name translates as Viceroy)
zeks - quote
ieatkids5
SoleSteeler
GeneralStan
suresh0t
Ninja4ever.


SoMuchBetter - Nnnot quite sure where this one is coming from.

Jimtudor - Again, no quite sure. He was on my list of suspects as Mr. Blonde in the past because of him sharing his name with a hockey player, which doesn't really fit with Red's theme of falling down. The only other connection I know of is to the Tudor family, and the only connection to falling down I can find there is the back and forth instability of each successors religious views.

Lysithea - I reallllly like this one. The moon clue fits, and I'm still half-convinced the Ali quote has come into play before as Mr. Pink has several times shown himself to be able to fight/move fast.

Nemy - It's a little fragile, but as searches for Nemy have only brought up a former New York Times female reporter, it's plausible that the image would be used in such a way.

Naib - I like the connection to Joe, though I'm not sure how Enigma is likewise connected. In either case, I still have a gut feeling about this guy.

The rest I've seen different bits of evidence alluding to them by several peoples posts, so no surprise they're all gathered there.

All in all, I think Lysithea is the strongest candidate for lynching, at least until the next day post and more clues come. I'd like you to elaborate on why you suspect these people in more detail, especially SoMuchBetter and Jimtudor, as they must have reasoning that I'm just not seeing to be so high on your list.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 16:27 GMT
#4396
On April 14 2008 01:23 Falcynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2008 01:16 Ghar wrote:
I lynch Tasteless, he is mafia

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lol? what tournaments were those from?


The Gom TG Intel Classic that aired last night.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 16:39 GMT
#4397
On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote:
by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact

Either MidnightGladius is Mafia
or MTF is mafia


Alright, I'm actually happy about this, because of two things:

1. Any time Mafia is reduced to so few odds, town gets a huge boost. 50/50 isn't a bad draw at all, and if you get it wrong the first time, odds bump up to 100%!
2. I already know which one of us it is. :p

The problem is, I can't really pinpoint MidnightGladius to a Mafia. The strongest connection I see is the simplest, being that Snake Charmer is thus far only known for using swords. The only other possible reference I have found is this character from Magic: The Gathering, but I haven't been able to link the character to any of the Mafia traits besides being cruel, which most of them habitually are.

But either way, town wins from it being narrowed down to us two. Just a matter of what happens first before a Mafia is found.



On April 14 2008 01:18 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Just pointing out that Mr . Blonde isnt EvilMonkey But DTDominion
Reason : always coming out of nowhere and guess what a DT always came out of nowhere
He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde reference to a dt again
+ like plexa pointed out , he always get close to his enemy same as a DT


I like this connection quite a bit.

Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 16:46 GMT
#4399
On April 14 2008 01:43 BlindAlbino wrote:
plexa, I hope you realize that red moon clue was for evilmonkey. caller pointed it out a while back.
evilmonkey birthday was on the same day as the last red moon. surely no coincidence.


That seems like a bigger stretch than Lysithea's name being directly connected to a moon.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 19:02 GMT
#4409
Alright, focusing on a few non-English names for the moment, as those are the hardest for the general population to associate things with naturally or search for.

1. ZBiR

Croatian word. Translations in English include addition, aggregate (a collection of smaller units into a larger mass), and total.

2. Puosu

Finnish word. Translation in English is a boatswain. This is an officer in charge of general deck work on a sailing ship or an officer on a merchant ship who oversees the work of others.

3. Clazziquai

Korean fusion band.


4. Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.

I'm gonna work at some of the more ambiguous names and signatures/quotes later.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 12:17:47
April 13 2008 21:02 GMT
#4415
To be clear, likely candidates in the case of acronyms are simply those definitions that have been pointed at before or, in most cases, the easiest to work with in the case of creating clues.

I will omit those that have already been described, such as Naib.


1. Eti307

Many acronyms for Eti here. Likely candidates include elapsed time indicator, estimated time of intercept, and extraterrestrial intelligence.

"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new" is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein.


2. HotZhot

Could be pronounced similarly to hotshot.

I Only Smile in the Dark is the name of a book about a young man immersed in gothic/industrial culture. It is penned by Aaron Reardon.


3. CDRdude

Many acronyms for CDR here. Likely candidates include commander and conductor.


4. So no Fek

Two acronyms for fek: File encryption key and frequency exchange keying.


5. Fen

As I don't think Chuiu would use the same definition to build clues off of in the case of Fen getting Mafia again, some more likely definitions are: an acronym for Far East Network, which was a network of radio and televisions stations in Japan, Korea, and other parts of East Asia. A unit of money in mainland China.

"Procrastination. Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." is a quote attributed to Larry Kersten.


6. nemY

Enid Nemy was a reporter for the New York Times.

As mentioned by nemY already, "You're in my soul, you're in my mind, but I don't know where you are now" is a part of a song by Stereophonics called Stone.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
I don’t know why I let you go
You said you’d wait I said I’d hope you would
We talked ‘til late until we walked away
What’s meant to be will be the same

And I feel like stone
Yes I feel ice cold
I pick myself up from the ground
Sick to death of lying down
And now I have to find you once again

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now

Driving round and round until its dawn
To look for you in rooms we used to go
I held you back, I had to set you free
But now I know what’s meant to be

And I feel like stone
Yes I feel ice cold
I pick myself up from the ground
Sick to death of lying down
And now I have to find you once again

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now



7. LTT

Many acronyms for LTT here. Not many candidates as far as easy access.

"We must be born with an intuition of mortality. Before we know the words for it, out we come, bloodied and squalling with the knowledge that for all the compasses in the world, there's only one direction, and time is its only measure." is a quote from the character Rosencrantz from Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead.


8. str

Many acronyms for str here. Likely candidates are Santa Rosa, smile/talk/raise both arms, square to round, strength, straight, and strip.


9. qrs

Many acronyms for qrs here. A likely candidate is quick reaction strike.


10. Infundibulum

An infundibulum is a funnel-shaped cavity or organ.


11. MTF

Many acronyms for MTF here. Likely candidates include move to front, move to follow, and male-to-female transsexual.

"The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out." is a quote from a self-righteous narcissist.


12. Heros)Pink

Tendresse means tender feeling.


13. 0cz3c

"Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!" is a quote from Cicero's First Oration Against Catiline.

"...and he drove Catiline from the city by four vehement speeches, the Catiline Orations, in which he described Catiline and his followers' debaucheries, and denounced his followers as a company of dissolute senators and assorted rogues who, deeply in debt, latched onto Catiline as a last hope. Cicero vehemently urged Catiline and his followers to leave the city."


14. Ziel

"The cake is a lie!" is the title of the ending song to the videogame Portal.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
This Was A Triumph
I'm Making A Note Here:
HUGE SUCCESS
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.

But there's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are
Still Alive

I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data
make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time.
So I'm GLAD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are
still alive.

Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you'll find someone else
to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa. . .
THAT WAS A JOKE. HAHA FAT CHANCE.
Anyway. this cake is great.
It's so delicious and moist.
Look at me still talking
When Theres Science to do.
When I look out there,
it makes me GLAD I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are
still alive.

And believe me I am still alive.

I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.

T feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.

While you're dying I'll be still.

And when you're dead I will be still alive.

STILL ALIVE



15. Hollander

Picture is of Manny from Grim Fandango.


16. jtan

"Enter a Uh" is the title of a very confusing song by John Frusciant.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
You see me now
While ago
You could shred this size only
You are a blender uh
We are always be with you with be me hey
I am masculine to all the lie
I am a boy and i know about him only
Line life ago i made her
Give me heeee i know
Made her sky my (??)
To high can't be we are
Higher can be we are
Higher couple we are
I could be we uh ah
La la la la la la la ahhh oi oi oi ya o o
Enter a uh
While (??)
Alright...
We we are all
I am only reveal a gold demon
I am yeller
Kiss me there where
I bother told about her film and make her sensorial
(4:00)
I see i mean
Without me
Like it's ocean
Well i've been on there
Withavidavida screwer
Withavidavida screwer
Aii aiii aii oiii oiii
-(very high pitch) heeeelp-
You seen the same order ohh you missed
You headless eyes lonely babe lord i was ready yaaay
I was gonna dream that if we were yaaay. ohh.
I wonder if we were (??)
Leave me alone me said
I'm afraid

But which from one more buy
Bad brown wears is bad
Round round lonely babe into drain
Diss it very good look me for the colder
Bad feel.
Bad sky while (??) lion lame life lame life lies on land
Skies fuck you
I wanna kiss meet you
Devote you to help

I (??) stains for father reaches his back
Well into a bowl
It isn't so task true key
Insandrium heart leave back
Daughter danger life
Why?
Cuz they all know



17. BWdero

Many possible links to dero here. No likely candidates stand out.


18. AcrossFiveJulys

"You must be crazier than a fish with tities" is part of R. Kelly's ongoing Trapped in the Closet.


19. Ninja4ever.

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever." is a quote from famed pacifist Gandhi.


20. Pangolin

The Pangolin is a scaly anteater.


21. butidigress

"between the click of the light and the start of the dream" is part of a song called No Cars Go by Arcade Fire.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
(Hey!)
(Hey!)

We know a place where no planes go
We know a place where no ships go

(Hey!) No cars go
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

We know a place no spaceships go
We know a place where no subs go

(Hey!) No cars go
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

(Hey!)
(Hey!)
(Hey! Again!)
(No go!)

(Hey!) Us kids know
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream

"I don't want any pushing, and I don't want any shoving.
We're gonna do this in an orderly manner. Women and children! Women and children! Women and children, let's go! Old folks, let's go! Babies needing cribs, let's go!"



22. Scorch

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy." is from a song called Know Your Enemy by Rage Against the Machine.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
Huh!
Yeah, were comin back then with another bombtrack
Think ya know what its all about
Huh!
Hey yo, so check this out
Yeah!
Know your enemy!

Come on!

Born with insight and a raised fist
A witness to the slit wrist, thats with
As we move into 92
Still in a room without a view
Ya got to know
Ya got to know
That when I say go, go, go
Amp up and amplify
Defy
Im a brother with a furious mind
Action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Fist in ya face, in the place
And Ill drop the style clearly
Know your enemy...know your enemy!

Yeah!

Hey yo, and dick with this...uggh!
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the d the e the f the I the a the n the c the e
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? the land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?

Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Now action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Sick of sick of sick of sick of you
Time has come to pay...
Know your enemy!

Come on!
Yes I know my enemies
Theyre the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are american dreams (8 times)



23. suresh0t

"Please forgive me for questioning divinity, it's an ugly job but I think I'm up for it" is a part of a song called Rise Up!! Rise Up!! by Cursive.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
dear preacher, thanks for making time for me today
hope you don't mind if i hide behind the curtain
it's been fifteen years since my last confession
by your good book's standards, i've sinned like a champion
but that book seems a tad bit out-dated

please forgive me, for questioning divinity
it's an ugly job, but i think i'm up for it
i'm not saying who's right
i'm just saying there's more than one way
to skin a religion
there's more than one way
to explain our existence

reverend, sir, i don't want to seem malevolent
my teenage angst is far behind me
but father, certainly it's troubling to see
all these people kneeling, instead of dealing
with the fact that we are all we have

so, rise up! rise up!
there's no one to worship!
but plenty of life to lose!
i'm not saying "let's burn down the church"
but do you want to hear my confession?
it's my greatest sin..

okay, here it is:
i wasted half my life on the thought that i'd live forever!
i wasn't raised, to seize the day, but to work and worship
'cause "he that liveth and believeth" supposedly never dies

rise up! rise up!
and live a full life!
'cause when it's over, it's done
so rise up! rise up!
dance and scream and love!

[barely audible outro]
you're not the chosen one
and i'm not the chosen one



24. DamageControl

Many connections to DamageControl here.


25. SpiritoftheTuna

"La Pomme Damour" translates into "the love-apple".


26. AmorVincitOmnia

AmorVincitOmnia translates into Love Conquers All.

"brown skin woman you a queen" is part of a song called Brown Skin Woman by Krs-one.

+ Show Spoiler [lyrics] +
{kid capri}
Aiyyo kris, yo yo yo!
That was fresh, come with that next shit

Uhh! fat fat fat fat beats! ..
How refreshing is it really?
How refreshing is it really? !
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! whoo! ..
Big shout out to philly in the house
G. simone, you know youre not alone
Krs-one on the micraphone
Now we gonna come down ruffneck like this now seen?
Mad lion hold tight

Chorus:

Brown skin woman, you a queen, not a hoe
Any man that drop the lyric what we give them the bo
Brown skin woman you a queen and not a hoe
Any man that drop the lyric what we give them the bo

Verse one:

We dont come with disrespect, we come with intellect
If you come with disrespect you get a rope around your neck
Some people dont expect me, to be so violent
But me nah violent, just myself I protect
Too many time I see, young gwal pickadee
Pay five ten twenty thirty dollar to see
Some rapper some singer some .. celebrity
Talk bout they wan fi sex up and fill up you body
But them nah talk about peelin off some money
For the pumpin onna bed, when you haf the baby
Whattaya think can happen next? after youre done havin sex?
Too much of ignorance, not enough intellence
Mahn me not against sex, but too many dj
Talk sex but them not talk about the next day
Cause the next day them gone, and you sit alone
Got em soup up your mic, pon de micraphone

Chorus (w/ minor variations)

Verse two:

Brown skin gwal them cant diss yo
Cause you run the show-ow-ow!
Them call you all type of bimbo
But you know youre not a hoe-oe-oe!
Bwoy pickade, check out your history
Brown man is a God in any ci-ty
White, man knew dat, and dat was a shock
So dem whip up your bod, and dem whippin not stop
But dem nah cant stop us wit de whip and de chain
So dem take away your history, erase your name
Still, with no name, with no fight, with no fuss
We just, take on the name, that massa give us
That name is ni-gga, the correct is ne-gro
Its spa-nish for black, white mahn call us dat
There is also ne-groid, also ne-gro
Now, all nigga pon the corner playin cee-lo
Man youre not a ne-gro, cause youre skin is not black
Take a look at yourself, youre brown and thats a fact
You not jump from no tree, you not live in no cave
Thats some garbage dem print, dem want you to behave!
You a african man, some say asian
You must respect your love, all brown skin oman!
If you diss your oman, you not come wit no plan
So shut up your mowf, til you must understand!

Chorus (w/ minor variations)

Outro:

I know you want me to call you a nigga.. no!
I know you want me to call you a hoe.. no!
I know you want me to call you a bitch.. no!
This is how it go!

{kid capri}
Yes kris, youre large!
Another fat production by the kiiiiid capri
Big shouts to the engineer naughty
Big shouts to luca, and we outttttttta here!

Peeeeeeeeeeace!



27. zeks

A zek is a Russian slang term for an inmate.


28. Klive5ive

5ive was a British band.





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I hope day post comes somewhat soon, I'm getting kinda bored. : x
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 22:12 GMT
#4422
On April 14 2008 07:07 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2008 06:02 MTF wrote:
3. CDRdude

Many acronyms for CDR here. Likely candidates include commander and conductor.


There's another acronym for CDR; my initials. In my opinion, it is the most likely candidate for the inclusion in my TL id. But you never know, I might be wrong ^_^


I've no doubt you're correct, but what you know and what Chuiu the clue maker knows don't match. :p Therefore, what is actually the reason behind any given persons name is not necessarily a key to deciphering clues.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-13 22:17:39
April 13 2008 22:16 GMT
#4423
On April 14 2008 07:00 0cz3c wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Well, this is the second time people have wondered about the public signature I have, so it might be fitting to translate it now so that there are no gray shadows in its meaning. And I always love an oppounity to talk about Cicero!

The lines, in Latin, read, ""Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!"

Translated idiomatically into English, they mean, "You don't dare deny it, do you? Why are you silent? I will convict you, if you deny it: I see that here there are certain men who were with you. Good gods!" This indeed is Cicero's First Oration Against Catiline, told in 63 BC in front of the Senate. Its point was to expose a conspiracy that Cicero discovered through an interception of letters by (I believe) Crassus. The conspiracy was an attempt by Catiline, a Roman Patrician, to overthrow the government in Rome. That year he lost against Cicero in the elections for consul (CIcero's consulship took place in 63 B.C.).

Catiline's family had always been distinguished and very old; however, they never held the highest office (the consulship). Catiline essentially wasted his family's fortune, and he also attempted to run for the consulship several times (of course, he never was voted it). Feeling that he had run out of options and that he would never become consul, he formed a conspiracy with men such as Manlius so that he might actually attain the position.

In the first speech, Cicero addresses to the crowds the terms of the conspiracy. Before the speech, he has not yet heard from Catiline, but he paints the man as a monster (he does this because his life was in danger before this conspiracy was revealed). He's not sure where Catiline is, but he knows that he is in Rome, and with all the conspirators unknown (some were known, but not all), Cicero at the time of this speech is still afraid of them (they still are a threat for his life and the Roman State), so he announces to them to leave Rome.

I think you might have a discepancy there, for Cicero talks about the type of conspirators among Catiline in his second oration and not his first (it is much less urgent, still as vehement, but not nearly as efficiently agressive). I'm not entirely certain of it (though I should be -.-), but I believe that these speeches were either said in late October through early Decemeber, or from late November through early December.

A small portion of this post was aimed to clear up my signature so that all clue-finding townies have everything possible to work with, but another portion is also aimed for them (while they match up clues) to realize quickly that I'm not in mafia. I think I illuminated more on the topic of my signature for you guys than any measure of Chuiu's knowledge on the quote. I understand that not understanding a signature or name can be frustrating (I tried earlier on, and with the magnitude of the field, it was just overwhelming), so this was an attempt to provide you with a depth of info on my signature. Regarding my name, I don't think it means anything -- I randomly chose letters that when combined sound like a word.

The leading reason I think I decided to post this is to inform you guys about this historical events. To me its common knowledge, but it appears that MTF posting its circumstances implies that its not. I highly recommend reading the Orations Against Catiline (even if in English) -- I think they are Cicero's most emotional and powerful speeches he has ever uttered.


I think you are correct when you guess that this is not common knowledge. XD

Thank you for the elaboration. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 05:26 GMT
#4435
Alright, I know we're supposed to be focusing on the Mandalor list, and my suspects are centered around that at the moment as I review the day posts.

However, I am 100% sure I have a Mafia pegged, and I can't believe I never noticed it before.

Take a look..

Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease.

He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down.

He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs.

Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault.

They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off.

Mr. Orange shrugged and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help. Black Mamba was a bit alarmed and tried to quiet the man, permanently, but ended up just bruising his face from stomping his foot around.


The point of all of these clues is one of two things: Black Mamba is physically helpless and CANNOT SEE. This is why he feels his way up to kick Yogurt, why Eddie has to yell at him to warm him about the switch, why Black Mamba is alarmed by the gunshot and proceeds to miss his attempts to stomp the man, why Eddie went back to help him in the first place, and why he is so easily hit; he can't dodge because he can't see.

BLACK MAMBA IS BLINDALBINO

how the fuck did I miss this before?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 13:32:41
April 14 2008 07:36 GMT
#4451
Various notes on Mafia and some conclusions from clues.

Bolded bits are clues/conclusions I feel strongly about.

Misc/seemingly unattached words that hinted:


- The red moon stared back in the face like a terrifying omen lights out
- lamp moved to center of room
- smiley in place of shotgun
- when four men intercepted them
- fight an army if one would present itself
- fortunately/unfortunately shows up multiple times
- surrounded on all sides
- "the fourth man" has been mentioned specifically twice


Eddie:

- Pointed the gun on day one, but doesn't specify he shot it; he's only used the gun during panic.
- Seems to frequently help his fellow Mafia, i.e. helping Black Mamba and holding down
Empyrean for D.arkive.
- Doesn't seem to be afraid of violence.
- Got the lucky kick in on day 2 and then proceeded to kick Yogurt repeatedly in the gut. This fits LostYourSkills quote in that he started off lucky and then became skilled/habitual with his kicks.


Joe:

- Strongly supports leader/helps his friends.
- Seems to be polite/well spoken.
- Acts when people try to leave.

See:

and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead



Mr. Red:

- The big one that bugs the shit out of me, he keeps losing his balance and falling over.
- Has never spoken.
- Threw something on the ground that made Lenwe slip, possibly the same substance in the next
clue.
- Though not named specifically, at the beginning of Day 3 he was outside of Dinmsab's house
throwing "matter" at the window and beckoning him out. Mr. Red is confirmed this person by the
following:

Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house.

Mr. Red charged toward Dinmsab at the same time Dinmsab let go of the door and started running out the garage.


Mr. Red was the fourth person introduced into the story in the line immediately after he saw the fourth man. Enigma, California Mountain Snake, and Mr. Orange were in the house before him.


Mr. Blonde:

- Is prone to attacking through bodily means.
- Is very fast; I thought he was invisible, but looking at the "jetted" comment on Day 5, I think he
is just very fast.

My prime suspect for Mr. Blonde is Jimtudor. Jim Tudor is the name of a hockey player. Hockey players tend to be quite physical and reach great speeds on the ice.


King Brown Snake:

- Appears inhuman or deformed.
- HE IS A MIDGET! Or at least very short. Look:

He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.

New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there.

Mr. Red and Eddie headed them off and King Brown Snake and The Wolf moved in behind Caller. King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.


My prime suspect is Crazie-Penguin. Penguins are short, cannot punch (and therefore may use slapping as an attack), and the word maddened refers to madness or insanity.


The Wolf:

- Seems to be patient/apologetic.
- Accurate. He "made his mark" on Chuiu on Day 1 and threw a nail down the hallway square into
the back of New104's head.
- Doesn't ever seem to be directly involved in trying to kill to start with; he always interrupts or
stumbles along the action, with the exception of Chuiu.


Enigma:

- Seems prideful and arrogant.
- He has notable features and Empyrean notes specifically that he doesn't have the means to
detain Enigma. These seem to signify a clue pointing towards something inhuman.


Mr. Pink:

- Calm and careful. Calculated.
- Is a good fighter,
- Is quiet/soft spoken.
- Suggested the beating of Fishball rather than shoot.
- Seems to be connected to things being parted into two.


Mr. Brown:

- Repeatedly mentions staring at victims.
- Mr. Brown comes up the stairs directly behind Mr. Blonde, perhaps mirroring his movement.

My prime suspect for Mr. Brown is nemY, for the mirror clue. However, I do not feel this is strong enough yet.


Snake Charmer:

- MIDNIGHTGLADIUS DAMMIT


Cottonmouth:

- Has a very strong numbers theme, though they don't add up to the same sum when you just
take into account his weapons; but what about the entire day posts? I'll be looking into this after
posting.

Potentially solved - Key number seems to be 44, who is str on the list.

+ Show Spoiler [Methodology] +


Day 2:

Specific numbers mentioned:

2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27

Number placements:

once, fourth, = 5

Name (OneBlueAugust):

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10


Total: 44


Day 4:


Specific numbers mentioned:

5, 6, 3 = 14

Name (New104):

1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30

Total: 44

Credit to Plexa for pointing out the days corresponding with the numbers.

Credit to qrs for finding a missing two in Day 2.


Mr. White:

- He has never been in a prolonged fight - He always just comes in and makes the finishing blow.
- Probably relating to the clue above, he is habitually late and/or lazy.
- Speaking of the finishing blow, both have been crushing of heads.


California Mountain Snake:

- If someone can find a link to anyone with Oddball, the bond villain who threw his hat, I will love
you.
- Perhaps someone with a musical tie as well, as per the "singing".

Mr. Orange:

- Doesn't like/interrupts sound.
- Has never spoken.


Copperhead:

- Seems to enjoy giving choices.

There is someone with a quote saying "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- even a boat!" Copperhead gave a choice between left or right, and whatever was in his right pocket bulged too large for his pocket.

This is 0cz3c's quote..


Mr. Black:

- Strong, obviously.
- Seems to create a sticky substance.
- Note that as Mr. Black was still climbing through the window JeeJee attacked Copperhead
who was already in the room without waiting, yet Mr. Black is the one who grabbed the bat.
Perhaps this signifies an extra-long reach or something similar.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 08:37 GMT
#4461
Alright, now counting up the numbers/number words mentioned on the days Cottonmouth was present. I count the entire days post instead of just the number of weapons like we previously tried.

Day 2:

Specific numbers mentioned:

2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27

Number placements:

once, fourth, = 5

Name (OneBlueAugust):

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10


Total: 42
45 if we count three for each of Neax's legs, but it doesn't specifically say three twice.


Day 4:


Specific numbers mentioned:

5, 6, 3 = 14

Name (New104):

1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30

Total: 44

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That is close. Really damn close. So incredibly close and with Cottonmouth's identity certainly hinging on numbers that I think I must be missing something.

Someone, anyone (except you, BlindAlbino), please check Day 2 Post and Day 4 Post to see if you come up with a different count. It's too damned close to not be something, I'm just missing numbers somewhere in Day 2 or not adding enough in the both of them.

On a side note, SonuvBob is number 42 on the list and str is number 44. Of the two, str seems the more likely candidate for the number clues, as he has little information in his name/profile to go on.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 09:16:22
April 14 2008 09:12 GMT
#4463
On April 14 2008 18:00 Plexa wrote:
Yo MTF;

Day 2 = 42 (40+2)
Day 4 = 44 (40+4)

+ Show Spoiler +
As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.

Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
I can find stuff from the first day linking brown to a monkey (climbing UP to him, and indecipherable yells) and the second day you have stuff linking to evil.

Perhaps mr brown was EvilMonkey


Ah, that does seem likely.

Well, it may not catch another Mafia, but at least there's a set of clues you know you don't need to look at anymore.

Er, wait, I'm distracted. The indecipherable yells and climbing up make sense, but I'm not entirely sure. Maybe you'll know for sure when Day comes; hopefully one of the two gets a mention.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 09:20 GMT
#4465
On April 14 2008 18:18 Plexa wrote:
the second clue is much weaker, and hold very little relevance to the first section...

theoretically we should have clues for BlindAlbino being an albino as well? perhaps the easily bruised face?


That would make sense.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 09:24 GMT
#4467
On April 14 2008 18:00 Plexa wrote:
Yo MTF;

Day 2 = 42 (40+2)
Day 4 = 44 (40+4)


O shit, I just now noticed that the extra numbers correspond to the days they appeared.

I'm tired. XD

Nice catch. I've gone through the list several times and I'm pretty confident that I haven't missed anything unless Chuiu is counting select a's (a nail/another nail) or has words like few or several as specific numbers. But I don't think he does, so I'd say MasterOfChaos is a good bet for Cottonmouth.

If he shows up tomorrow, count 'em again and see if it's 46 and you'll know for sure. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 10:46 GMT
#4469
Something to note:

On April 14 2008 01:53 BlindAlbino wrote:
anyway, after looking through clue discussion, new biggest suspects are ieatkids5 and eit307. dont know about you guys but I am voting them for tomorrow if double lynch


On April 14 2008 02:12 BlindAlbino wrote:
placeholder i explain one minute.

Ok for one, i dont think lostyourskills is pointed to the luck clues. think it is too obvious. but if you look at eti's quote: A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new


I think it could have a more subtle meaning and he could be eddie.
also the 3-0-7 clue but this one is less damning.

ieatkids : heros)pink already explained. pretty good.


Both made much earlier today. These seem to imply that ieatkids and eti307 are innocent, whilst LostYourSkills is almost certainly Mafia. (Eddie)

I'm still alive, barely. Trying to track down that god damned Mr. Red before I get taken out.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 11:12:24
April 14 2008 11:08 GMT
#4473
Stalled myself out for a moment to retrieve BlindAlbino's voting record:

BlindAlbino

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Interesting to note: Both Queasy and BlindAlbino originally voted for Ace, and then switched over to randombum near the end of the vote count.

People that did similar moves:

Clazziquai
Hollander
Crazie-penguin (though for good enough reasons)
GeneralStan
LTT
Unforgiven_ve
0cz3c
Myself (I seem to get caught in suspicious places constantly. XD)

People of suspicion who also voted randombum:

Suresh0t
GrayArea (Just have a sort of feeling, dunno if there's anything to it.)
BWdero
Ninja4ever.
Lysithea
L


Just throwing it out there, particularly because the day 1 post mentioned the "right mayor" being elected and randombum also being on the Mandalor list.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 11:39:04
April 14 2008 11:38 GMT
#4474
Ok, I've been through every profile twice and I can't anything stronger than one single flimsy idea.

Falling a lot = clumsy intially, but it could also be simply interpreted as an imbalance or a general lack of stability. Through the latter reasoning, Crazie-penguin's name comes to mind. But, this is a pretty weak connection, though I think the instability definition should be kept in mind.

I'll try to interpret some of the others I don't have strong suspects on, but I'm almost out of steam. Slumber looms.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 11:54 GMT
#4477
On April 14 2008 20:41 Bockit wrote:
What did Mandalor do?

EDIT: So deciding not to be so lazy I just went and had a look, Mandalor originally voted for ghar and then swapped to Ace.

EDIT2: And d.arkive he voted for Last Romantic

Damn I was really hoping we had something there


Yeah, I hoped the same. There's still a lot of suspects in the randombum group, though.

Also, check out my first post on page 216. I compiled all the Mandalor list/known Mafia votes right after Evilmonkey got lynched. It doesn't help much, but it's a quick reference for now. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 13:07 GMT
#4480
General Suspects Beyond Those Mentioned Earlier:
Strong suspects will be italic.


King Mountain Snake: (if not EvilMonkey)

Smurfingchobo: He's really the only person I see fitting the tiny, but still personlike description.


The Wolf:

Suresh0t: He is here only by virtue of his name.


Mr. Orange:

Lysithea: Reasoning is that Lysithea is a moon, and everyone knows that if you scream (or call for help) in space, nobody can hear you. :p

Unsoundlogic: Reasoning is that unsound is clearly a lack of sound, which seems to be Mr. Orange's theme.


California Mountain Snake:

Clazziquai: Reasoning is, firstly, it is a Korean band. This fits in with the singing; to tie the weapon/hat/respectful manner in is Oddball. Oddball was Korean born in the Bond movies. He never talked, wore a suit, and threw a metal rimmed bowler hat that famously decapitated a statue in one of the movies.

Note: If he turns up Mafia later, look hard at Randombum.


Copperhead:

0cz3c: Reasoning is purely based off his speech and 0cz3c's profile quote. Both allude to two choices, one being a mystery, and in Copperhead's speech the object in his right pocket bulged to the point of it seeming impossible to hold whatever was inside. This coincides with the quote.



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Okay, so it's finally time to rest for me; if day comes while I'm asleep, it'll most probably be eternal slumber. But, it was a good run, so if it is, it is.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 21:24:37
April 14 2008 21:20 GMT
#4490
I'm back for the moment. :p

Ahahaha, BlindAlbino screwed his fellows over. XD

I'll make a quick summary of those he tried to kill and those he protected.


People He Repeatedly Accuses/Accuses Without Them Already Being Lynched:
therefore probably innocent

Eti307
ieatkids
aznvaliance
suresh0t
Energies
araav
bumatlarge - Was innocent, now dead through Vigi kill.
str - Very frequently.


People He Protects:

LostYourSkills
Lysithea (Claiming that the red moon connected to EvilMonkey instead)
Queasy - Comfirmed Mafia
MidnightGladius
Bugzitooni - All three from the same post Plexa bolded; one is comfirmed, another is highly suspect, and the last is so as well for being together with them.
Mandalor - Comfirmed Mafia
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 21:32 GMT
#4492
On April 15 2008 06:30 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm really anticipating what you're going to say when I come up green, MTF


Well, if you do it's gonna be confusing as all hell.

But, we'll see. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 22:30 GMT
#4503
On April 15 2008 07:23 MidnightGladius wrote:
In that case, I trust Plexa for his previous analysis, and I'll go with him on this one. Either way, MTF will probably be lynched tomorrow after I'm vigi-ed tonight I can only hope that he does indeed turn out red.


Uhhh...After for sure taking down BlindAlbino and also making strong connection to LostYourSkills through the clue/BlindAlbino trying to save him, as well as the Cottonmouth numbers adding up to 40 + the Day Number (thanks to Plexa!), anyone trying to claim I'm Mafia is very, very cynical. XD

If it is truly 100% between me and you, then I know who it is. But even if it isn't, I still would suspect you for the sword references, being on the Mandalor list, and BlindAlbino protecting you in the very same post that he protected a confirmed Mafia.

I think you're just trying to sway the town before Day comes, but it's really too late for that and I can't see any argument clearing you or condemning me.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 23:24:49
April 14 2008 23:23 GMT
#4512
Alright, I'm looking pointedly at King Brown Snake again, trying to pin him down.

Definite clues: He is very short and doesn't appear to be human/appears to be deformed as he is "a strange man". I believe this is a strong allusion to the person not being human, as Chuiu can't just come right out and say such.

Suspect:

Crazie-Penguin: Penguins are short and would most definitely be strange looking if assumed a man. Also note this:

King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground


Slapped is a rather specific phrase. A penguin cannot punch, but they could slap.

And this:

Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake


Maddened is, again, a specific phrase. Madness is a term for insanity, or craziness.


Edit: He is the only person other than SmurfingChobo who I can find a link to shortness with as well, and there is more evidence for Crazie than Smurfing.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2008 23:36 GMT
#4513
Also note that on each of the three days King Brown Snake was in, he has never spoken. This may point towards him being incapable of speech.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 00:25 GMT
#4518
On April 15 2008 08:12 fusionsdf wrote:
I suggest that even if midnight gladius comes up green, we lynch both him and blind albino and then base our trust of MTF on the result of both lynchings.

I doubt he is mafia, and if he is and wants to continue throwing away fellow mafia to preserve his life (unlikely) then its still worth it for us.

if both turn out green, it looks very bad, but with a clue that solid, I dont think its very likely.


I'm pretty sure Mafia is going to kill me before then.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 00:54 GMT
#4522
On April 15 2008 09:43 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Ok , I found who Mr . Black is
Il reveal his name after my post
Text for Mr.Black
Across town the mafia were setting up another three house raid. Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. He backed up and Copperhead pulled a knife from his left pocket and said "well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". JeeJee saw his right pocket was bulging with something too large for it and motioned at the knife as he was backing into his kitchen to get a knife of his own to fight back with. Copperhead groaned "there no fun in that but I can't really argue, we gotta get this here done quick" so he ran towards JeeJee slashing with the knife. JeeJee not yet armed himself grabbed a towel next to him and wrapped it around Copperheads arm, he smashed it in the side of the wall and knocked the knife out of his hand. He grabbed the knife and pushed Copperhead aside as he ran towards the door to escape. Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.

Move to front + the smashed window makes me believe that + Show Spoiler +
MTF is indeed Mr . Black


o_O

Anddd I'm pinning the hell out of Mafia because...?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 01:09 GMT
#4527
Alright, just finished collecting all my stuff and made a blog post.. Just want to make sure all my info doesn't get lost when/if I die, so shoved it all in there.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 02:36 GMT
#4539
Random note about Joe - he acts when people try to leave/have their backs turned.

See:

and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 03:07 GMT
#4543
On April 15 2008 12:04 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2008 09:53 BlindAlbino wrote:
hahaha = ) my hand has been dealt

Wow, was that a confession?


Well, it's not quite like he had a chance with the amount of evidence against him. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 06:11 GMT
#4564
On April 15 2008 14:45 Chuiu wrote:
I'm sorry guys I've been bogged down with tons of extra work lately. I'll get it up tomorrow I promise.

EDIT: Oh and don't worry about the inactive player situation. It's better than you think, I assure you.


Yay, I got another day of life left in me!


On April 15 2008 14:30 Ace wrote:
also if the #s in Snake Charmer's paragrapg add up to 46 the next day it's we assume Master of Chaos is mafia right?


Yes, though I feel already that it's pretty strongly evident as is.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 07:27 GMT
#4565
Random Possible Mr. Pink Note:

He seems connected with things being split into two, and more particularly things that are in two by other peoples hands. (which is really strange, but seems to be present)

See:

Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot,


Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two.


Note that Mr. Brown was present during Mynock's death and that he was the one who broke the phone in half, so this may point to him instead. I believe it points to Pink, however, as Brown was not present when Mynock's head was presented as in half.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 10:03:58
April 15 2008 10:00 GMT
#4567
H'okay...

Firstly,

Mr. White:

I noted before that Mr. White never seems to be involved with any of the fights until the last moment, in which he does the finishing move. Upon repeated inspection, I've noted some other traits. Take a look.

Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.


He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.


"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.


He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.


These all add up to one of two (or both) things: Mr. White is lazy or constantly late/last.

Suspect:

ieatkids5 - Let me clarify at the start that I am nowhere near 100% sure on this guy. The only reason I suspect him is because of his quote dealing with procrastination, being that laziness pays off now rather than working towards a later goal.

Easy arguments against this are that there are no obvious connections with smashing in heads and that he was one of the people BlindAlbino was pushing to be lynched. Because of these two things I do not yet feel strongly that he is Mr. White. He is, however, the closest match I have at the moment, with his quote covering both laziness and waiting 'til the last second.


Next,

Random Note About Mr. Blonde:

Notice that, although Mr. Blonde is very physical, he has never killed anyone through physical contact. He has only killed with a gun, and both (one time not mentioned specifically, but me and seemingly Plexa as well believe the clue refers to him) times it doesn't just leave the clue at "shot".

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.


He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.



Possibly not even a clue, but it is noteworthy to me that he has only ever killed with a gun despite attacking every other time physically.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 11:04 GMT
#4569
On April 15 2008 19:51 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2008 15:11 MTF wrote:
On April 15 2008 14:30 Ace wrote:
also if the #s in Snake Charmer's paragrapg add up to 46 the next day it's we assume Master of Chaos is mafia right?


Yes, though I feel already that it's pretty strongly evident as is.

I can't believe you actually think your convoluted numerology constitutes strong evidence. No offense--you did great with BlindAlbino, but the Master of Chaos "clue" is absurdly strained: + Show Spoiler +
Cottonmouth:
Cottonmouth is surrounded by numbers. By counting up the number references in the Day posts he shows up in, we arrive at this:

Day 2:

Specific numbers mentioned:

2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27

Number placements:

once, fourth, = 5

Name (OneBlueAugust):

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10


Total: 42 (40 + day 2)


Day 4:


Specific numbers mentioned:

5, 6, 3 = 14

Name (New104):

1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30

Total: 44 (40 + day 4)

#40 on the participant list is MasterOfChaos.
Count up all the numbers mentioned (including adding up single digits in numbers like 104), but not "a" or "the"--subtract the number of the day (suddenly subtract instead of add? a number which is not mentioned in the posts?) and lynch that number on the list? Not to mention that Chuiu has never done a clue relating to someone's number on the list of players.

I don't know whether MoC is Mafia or not, but I'd bet a thousand dollars that your evidence has nothing to do with it.


Words like "a" and "the" are not specific number mentions. ALL of the numbers I counted in both day posts were specific numeric references. Words like "two", "once", "fourth", and "one" are clearly number references, in accordance to Cottonmouth definitely being connected to numbers.

Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence.

No offense, but your logic is shoddy.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 11:47 GMT
#4571
Okay. Just to show you/anyone else with doubts that my numbers add up here, I will bold and capitalize every number reference I counted for both days for easy reference.

+ Show Spoiler [Day 2] +

Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against TWO men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.

Unfortunately Mynocks neighbors were alerted by this blast, fortunately they were being taken care of the very same moment. NeaX and goldenkrnboi were drinking and gaming, not giving much thought to what had happened that day when they heard the shot from the house next to them. They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device. They were going to confront the man when another came through the back door. Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but ONE by ONE FOUR more knived embraced his good arm. NeaX fell to the ground and the pain and loss of blood were slowly taking their toll on him. goldenkrnboi watched the whole thing in horror and finally gained the courage to attack the THREE men in a vain attempt to save his friend. Snake Charmer wasn't just standing idle though as he slashed away at goldenkrnboi giving him ONE gruesome gash after another. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off. NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target ONCE more and finished him off throwing THREE knives into each of his legs and THREE in his back. NeaX didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.

Yogurt and ONEBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when FOUR men intercepted them. Yogurt and ONEBlueAugust saw them and ONEBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if ONE would present itself. Fortunately only FOUR men stood in their path and ONEBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the FOURTH man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. ONEBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against ONEBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed ONEBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. ONEBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as ONEBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally ONEBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live. Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat. The mafia had tried their best that night and had finished with their hits, but no one could explain the blasted remains of CTStalker that night.


+ Show Spoiler [Day 4] +

In downtown Liquidia Empyrean and New104 were up late reviewing case reports on the lynched and murdered people from that day. They had come up with disturbing revelations and were ready to reveal them to the public in effort to help stem the wrath of the mafia. Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean.

Down the hall New104 was starting to get worried, rather he was starting to get a little thirsty himself. Empyrean was taking his time, he thought, so that must mean he's brewing a fresh pot. He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed FIVE nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab SIX more nails into him. New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. He dodge THREE more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.

Later that night Winston was hot on the trail of Kau, who he had chased out of a dark alley. Kau assumed he had encroached on the wrong territory as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own. He ran down another dark alley in effort to lose Winston and opted to try to blend in with a pile of garbage. Winston flipped on his flash light and scanned around the alley, seeing no one, he took a slow pace as he moved down it. He was just about to the end when he noticed Kau. He had a clear shot and took it, firing off a couple rounds he quickly ended Kau's life.

It was later yet and dawn was approaching, Queasy was stumbling home and leaving a trail of puke with him. Down the street Showtime! was spray painting graffiti all over the walls of the government buildings like you would expect lowlifes to do. He noticed Queasy approaching and saw how completely out of it the man was. He decided to have some fun and started spray painting Queasy's back as he walked by. Well Queasy wasn't as bad as Showtime! had thought and he spun around quick as the wind and landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye knocking him out. An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! straight through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it. Ordell was running from across the street after seeing what just happened. He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. He removed the knife from Showtime!'s corpse as he inspected it, a towny he thought to himself. He slashed Queasy's right shoulder as he was trying to get up and then kicked it to flip him around. "Lets see how you like it" he said as he stabbed Queasy through the heart, ending his life and a long night for the town of Liquidia.


Notice that the number references stop as soon as the people with numbers in their names die? Chuiu obviously set the day post totals up in such a way that their names were part of the equation, as not a single specific number reference exists in either day after the named person dies.

O, and just so you know, I did go through and count the "a"s and the possessive "the"s, and came up with radically different numbers when I was still confused about why they weren't adding up to the same exact number. Then I saw Plexa's post and it all came together.

Tell me it doesn't all add up or make sense again if you want, but if you do, I want you to tell me exactly why it doesn't, because what I've posted is pretty damn exact.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 11:49 GMT
#4573
On April 15 2008 20:48 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2008 20:04 MTF wrote:
Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence.
It's not "also"--it's necessary to your interpretation. I find plenty of room for coincidence.
Show nested quote +
No offense, but your logic is shoddy.
It's not a matter of logic but of judgement. I'll say no more of it now--if you've convinced people, they'll vote for him--but after the game (if not earlier) we'll see whether you were right. I'll be stunned if you are.


Read the above and reply again.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 12:16:33
April 15 2008 12:15 GMT
#4576
1) Chuiu has never based clues off people's numbers in the list and I don't think he ever will. This is an important point, because it makes it MUCH easier to twist the clues to point at anyone you like. Everyone has a number, not just people like Eti307 (and by the way, I think it's more likely that some of the numbers [3-0-7 nails] point at him than at MoC), and the numbers go in increments of one. That means all I have to do is find a couple of tweaks to your count to make the clue point at someone else. It also means that ANY number you came up with would point at someone.

2) You don't count things like "a", "the", "another", because they are not literal numbers, but you do count "once". That's not a number any more than "a" is.

3) Subtract the number of the day? That strikes me as particularly tortured. You only do it to make your count consistent.

I do think the numbers--OR SOME OF THEM--are probably a clue. I don't think you've interpreted that clue though.



1: Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he wouldn't. You say it's easy to twist the clues, but reading my bold/capitalized you can clearly see I haven't done anything but count numeric references. ALL of them that are specifically numeric and NONE that are not. And you've yet to provide any specific "tweaks".


2: If you wanna be stubborn about it...

Once:

n.

A single occurrence; one time: Once will have to do. You can go just this once.


It is clearly a numeric reference whilst vague numbers such as "a" and "the" are not. They could be connected to numbers in certain instances, but like I said, I already did that and they're wildly different, whereas counting only specific numeric words adds up very well.


3:

Day 2's total = 42. 42 - 2 = 40
Day 4's total = 44. 44 - 4 = 40

It's a very logical approach to the problem with the slight inconsistency, and it isn't even near a stretch because it uses the specific day number for each individual day.

Why only some of them and not all? If I did that, it would be more like your "twist things to see what you want" story. Why do you keep criticizing without trying to point out where exactly I'm wrong and provide your own analysis?

Honestly, you're either very stubborn or protecting MoC. I don't truly know which to feel is more likely.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 13:07:23
April 15 2008 13:07 GMT
#4579
On April 15 2008 21:46 Scorch wrote:
One doesn't need to be stubborn or mafia not to believe your interpretation. qrs conceded he'll be stunned if your interpretation turns out to be correct, but he doesn't believe it does for now. Same goes for me unless a 46 appears in the next day post in a couple of hours.
You'll have to admit that what you found isn't exactly the most straightforward of clues, and that it might only be a coincidence. So don't be surprised and angry if people doubt you.


Iii don't get how it isn't straightforward or is a coincidence. o_O

Help me out here:

- Only & all of the numeric words in those days that Cottonmouth was present.
- A close sum total for both days, with a minimal difference between them.
- They both meet at a single total when the days number they are on is subtracted from them.

What exactly is missing to convince you and why would the next time convince you if two separate occurrences don't?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 13:18:59
April 15 2008 13:17 GMT
#4581
On April 15 2008 22:11 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2008 21:15 MTF wrote:
1: Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he wouldn't. You say it's easy to twist the clues, but reading my bold/capitalized you can clearly see I haven't done anything but count numeric references. ALL of them that are specifically numeric and NONE that are not. And you've yet to provide any specific "tweaks".
*sigh* I hardly think it's necessary, but to make you happy I had a look to see what I could tweak and I noticed that you had inexplicably failed to bold "two knives met his hands". Oh, hey, now the numbers both add up to 44! They must point at str! (sarcasm, but that would still be marginally more convincing than your original version).


Shit, you're right!

I don't think the sarcasm is right, though. STR is a really vague name, and the numbers add up on both the days Cottonmouth was active.

Thank you for criticizing me and looking into it. :p

I did point out where I felt your analysis was stretched. I can't say "wrong" because there's no proof per se against your concoction (nor against any other 'clues'). I just don't find it very credible.
I've said I'm willing to drop this. You're the one who's being stubborn. I know you're proud of your detective work, but that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with you is Mafia.


I have to point out that you can say it's wrong because I missed that two; which led to a different, stronger suspect! XD
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 13:45:28
April 15 2008 13:37 GMT
#4582
Haha, my God I feel like a dumbass for missing that number. XD

But, despite it all, I'm gonna put my top and general suspects list in here from my blog in case day comes soon. Maybe somebody can find more critical errors that I missed and refocus our attentions.

+ Show Spoiler [My Stronger Suspicions] +


LostYourSkills as Eddie:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote refers to luck being skill that becomes habit. On the second day, he first gets a lucky kick off on Yogurt, then shortly thereafter, begins kicking him over and over again. He was also defended by BlindAlbino, who is pretty much confirmed Mafia.


str as Cottonmouth:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Cottonmouth:
Cottonmouth is surrounded by numbers. By counting up the number references in the Day posts he shows up in, we arrive at this:

Day 2:

Specific numbers mentioned:

2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 29

Number placements:

once, fourth, = 5

Name (OneBlueAugust):

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10


Total: 44


Day 4:


Specific numbers mentioned:

5, 6, 3 = 14

Name (New104):

1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30

Total: 44

#44 on the participant list is str. It makes sense for him to be linked by numbers as well, as he has a very ambiguous name.

Credit to Plexa for pointing out the days corresponding with the numbers. - Past analysis.

[i]Credit to qrs for pointing out the missing two in Day 2.


MidnightGladius as Snake Charmer:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

There are several references to the time being midnight in the Day posts. Snake Charmer has thus far only been known to use swords, and MidnightGladius has a sword in his name and profile. He is on the Mandalor list. Finally, BlindAlbino, now pretty much a confirmed Mafia, has protected him in the past.


0cz3c as Copperhead:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Purely based off his speech and 0cz3c's profile quote. Both allude to two choices, one being a mystery, and in Copperhead's speech the object in his right pocket bulged to the point of it seeming impossible to hold whatever was inside. This coincides with the quote.



Clazziquai as California Mountain Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Firstly, Clazziquai is a Korean band. This fits in with the singing; to tie the hat/respectful manner in is Oddball. Oddball was Korean born in the Bond movies. He never talked, wore a suit, and threw a metal rimmed bowler hat that famously decapitated a statue in one of the movies.

Note: If he turns up Mafia later, look hard at Randombum.



Crazie-Penguin as King Black Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Definite clues: He is very short and doesn't appear to be human/appears to be deformed as he is "a strange man". I believe this is a strong allusion to the person not being human, as Chuiu can't just come right out and say such.

Crazie-Penguin: Penguins are short and would most definitely be strange looking if assumed a man. Also note this:

King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground


Slapped is a rather specific phrase. A penguin cannot punch, but they could slap.

And this:

Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake


Maddened is, again, a specific phrase. Madness is a term for insanity, or craziness.



BlindAlbino as Black Mamba:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Take a look..

Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease.

He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down.

He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs.

Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault.

They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off.

Mr. Orange shrugged and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help. Black Mamba was a bit alarmed and tried to quiet the man, permanently, but ended up just bruising his face from stomping his foot around.


The point of all of these clues is one of two things: Black Mamba is physically helpless and CANNOT SEE. This is why he feels his way up to kick Yogurt, why Eddie has to yell at him to warm him about the switch, why Black Mamba is alarmed by the gunshot and proceeds to miss his attempts to stomp the man, why Eddie went back to help him in the first place, and why he is so easily hit; he can't dodge because he can't see.

BLACK MAMBA IS BLINDALBINO

how the fuck did I miss this before?




+ Show Spoiler [General Suspects/Not Strong Suspects:] +



ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Let me clarify at the start that I am nowhere near 100% sure on this guy. The only reason I suspect him is because of his quote dealing with procrastination, being that laziness pays off now rather than working towards a later goal.

Easy arguments against this are that there are no obvious connections with smashing in heads and that he was one of the people BlindAlbino was pushing to be lynched. Because of these two things I do not yet feel strongly that he is Mr. White. He is, however, the closest match I have at the moment, with his quote covering both laziness and waiting 'til the last second to get things done.


Lysithea as Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Lysithea is a moon, and everyone knows that if you scream (or call for help) in space, nobody can hear you. Furthermore, there was a red moon reference in one of the day posts that may reference him. Lastly, Blind Albino, pretty much confirmed Mafia at this point, defended him.


Unsoundlogic as Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Unsoundlogic: Reasoning is that unsound is clearly a lack of sound, which seems to be Mr. Orange's theme.


Nemy as Mr. Brown:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Mr. Brown constantly comes face to face with people, staring back at them, and doesn't seem to do anything else. Nemy has a mirror in his profile.


JimTudor as Mr. Blonde:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Jim Tudor is a hockey players name. Mr. Blonde tends to come right up on his opponents and often knocks them down, and is very physical. He is also very fast, which may be linked to a hockey players speed on ice, knocking their opponents over from seemingly out of nowhere.


Bugzitooni:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

The only reason I'm including him is because BlindAlbino defended him in the very same post he defended Queasy, who was Mafia, and MidnightGladius, who I'm pretty sure is Mafia.

Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 13:52:19
April 15 2008 13:48 GMT
#4584
On April 15 2008 22:46 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2008 22:07 MTF wrote:
Iii don't get how it [...] is a coincidence. o_O

Chuiu could have taken arbitrary/meaningless numbers which were possibly never meant to be added, and add up to a similar result only by chance. Or the numbers could be connected to something else entirely. An unintentional red herring if you will.

Help me out here:

- Only & all of the numeric words in those days that Cottonmouth was present.
- A close sum total for both days, with a minimal difference between them.
- They both meet at a single total when the days number they are on is subtracted from them.

I had already understood before how you got your results, thank you.

What exactly is missing to convince you and why would the next time convince you if two separate occurrences don't?

As I said twice already, I'm waiting for a 46 tomorrow. Why? First, because the larger sample size would make it that much less likely that it's all a coincidence (especially because our discussion warns Chuiu not to make that unintentional mistake again, if it was one). Second, because you would then have made a correct prediction, proving your theory right.
Two occurences would be enough for me if they added up to the same number, but we need to include an additional variable (the day count), making it all more complicated and unsure.

---

By the way, you would appear much more credible and serious if you wouldn't absolutely rule out that maybe, just maybe, you might not know the answer to everything.


See above. XD

I agree that 44 could add up to something other than a suspect on the list, but I strongly feel like it does just that, especially now that the suspect has such a vague name/small quote.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 15:14 GMT
#4589
'Since I lost some confidence in my surety that the number = the place on the list through my recent acting like an ass, I'm looking more indepth into the profiles to see if I can turn up 44 anywhere.

I'm going to be counting numbers occuring in names, photos, date joined, birthday, quote, and profile; all the post count related stuff changes, so cannot be used.

I will provide a link to each persons profile for easy access.


Fen:

1, 9, 2, 6, 1, 1, 1, 9, 8, 6 = 44

The one I view as the most likely, considering that Chuiu already used the marsh clue, the strongest word association for Fen, in the last game.


HotZhot:

8, 2, 8, 4 = 22.

HotZhot is a double-sided name, so it could be interpreted that the number goes twice.

22 x 2 = 44.

It's a stretch.


Wizard:

5, 2, 7, 9, 1, 9, 9, 2 = 44


nemY:

2, 3, 2, 6, 1, 5, 1, 9, 8, 7 = 44


DTDominion:

2, 7, 2, 5, 2, 1, 9, 8, 8 = 44

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As you can see, depressingly many added up to 44. Feel free to search through other people, guys, but my strongest suspect is still str, because at least his connection is not overlapping with other people.

Alright, this will be my last post for a little while. If I'm not dead when I come back, I'll start looking through my top suspects posting histories (and note any edits that occurred today in case this serves as a warning to!) to see if I can find suspicious behavior.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 21:57 GMT
#4607
I'm not done evaluating my suspects, but I feel I should go ahead and post what I do have because of what I found of str.

Those also on the Mandalor list marked by an asterisk.

LostYourSkills:
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

Made only one post in the whole thread after Day 1 post, never voted other than Mayoral. Claims to have been on holiday.



str:

I'm about 90% sure that str is innocent, now. I would be much less so if BlindAlbino had only voted for str, but he voted and openly accused over and over again. I still believe 44 is the key to finding Cottonmouth, but I no longer believe it is str. This makes Fen my new strongest, though somewhat tenuous still, suspect for Cottonmouth.

+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

- PAIN IN THE ASS TO SEARCH FOR
- Ok, stopping now, because I've seen BlindAlbino, sure Mafia, try to get str lynched twice now.



Notes About Other People:

Mostly lists of people who accused those I am suspecting. I will omit those who are already confirmed innocent/dead.

Though I just wanna point out this post by Chezinu:

+ Show Spoiler [Chezinu Post] +

I say you make these people vote for the same person:
MidnightGladius
Ninja4ever
Energies
Caller
LoStYouRSkills
BlindAlbino
Meta

I'm curious how many are mafia


He was doing a good job, in my opinion. :p

People Who Accuse LostYourSkills:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

SonuvBob
Plexa
Naib
Eti307
Lysinthea
RtS)Night(Mare
Shallow[Bay]
Infundibulum
Scorch
HeRoS)Pink
Camlito
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 15 2008 22:21 GMT
#4609
On April 16 2008 07:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
MTF, I'm not doubting you, but could you remind me when I accused Lostyourskills? I honestly can't remember :p


Second post on page 31.

+ Show Spoiler [Post] +

On March 19 2008 04:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
POSSIBLE COLOUR CLUES OUTLINED


Blue
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Yogurt
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Hittegods
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=SonuvBob (his name is in Blue)
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=iNfuNdiBuLuM
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Bockit
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=OneBlueAugust
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Last Romantic (his name is in Blue)
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Plexa (his name is in Blue)

Red
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=nemY

Brown
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RtS)Night[Mare
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=bumatlarge
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=AmorVincitOmnia (his -signature : brown skin woman you a queen)

Pink
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Unforgiven_ve
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HeRoS)Pink (it's in his name! profile has an abundance of Blue though)
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MoRe_mInErAls
Show nested quote +
PINK?! Marge, I can't wear a pink shirt to work. Everybody wears white shirts. I'm not popular enough to be different!


ADDITIONAL CLUES


There are so many fucking snake references...I'm looking at you, wurm.

Two of the three snakes mentioned are found in Australia, the other is found in Mexico and the US.

Who are some Aussie players?
-SoMuchBetter is from Australia
-He has "AUSSIESCUM" in his signature.
-Guy in his profile has a massive brown hat

-Fen
-Energies
-Camlito
-Lostyourskills
-Bockit
-Siefu
-Scorch
-Rowdierbob
(one of the mafia asks forgiveness from Chuiu "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand". In his signature, RB is forgiving Plexa for being a Kiwi)
-Ghar
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 16:46 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
Well, I may have been posting too much ever since the day was posted but whatever....

1. Eight people in his way, chances weren't good.
Eight people. Eight cardinal directions. This, I think, equates to being surrounded from all sides. Now, I direct attention to this person's profile quote:
Quote : All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time.
Well, if they're on the left, right, front, and behind, sounds like a situation where you're surrounded as well. Coincidence? *shrugs*



-Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"

Show nested quote +
67-0cz3c
Display Name : 0cz3c
Birthday : May 19, 1992
Country : United States
Joined : Friday, 22nd of February 2008
Quote : A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat!


EDIT : 4:57 TL time ; added Australians to the list.
EDIT : 5:04 ;
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 16:42 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm voting for Sonuv, he's a townie for sure.

Two people who could be pointed to by colour clues, and wtf kind of logic is that?

Show nested quote +
Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable.


MidnightGladius's signature.
"It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change.- Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General"

MY THOUGHTS AS OF NOW
I suspect:

- RtS)Night[Mare - from Mexico, (sidewinder), guy with long, BROWN dreadlocks in his profile.
- Ghar - from Australia, above "surrounded" quote by Aznvaliance.
- So Much Better - from Australia,has "AUSSIESCUM" in his signature,guy in his profile
- I have a gut feeling about Plexa and fusionsdf.

EDIT Mar22/13:23 ADDED MoRe_mInErAls to Pink list.


Not the same reasoning, but I'm just noting anyone who, in the past, put some heat on the suspects I have down. If those suspects come up Mafia, you guys will have some compilation as to what people accused them before they were up on the chopping block, and that is strong evidence that the person is probably aligned with the town.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 00:28:49
April 16 2008 00:28 GMT
#4617
On April 16 2008 09:04 Chuiu wrote:
Day post started


SHIT

must hurry
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 00:33:40
April 16 2008 00:31 GMT
#4618
Ok, 'since time is short I'll post the other two suspects I have finished reviewing. I probably won't be able to get them all, but I'll try updating one by one before day comes.

Once again, people on the Mandalor list marked by an asterisk.

MidnightGladius*:
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

- Claims to have been on vacation between the 11th-15th.
- Gives some decent analysis/summary of clues on this page.
- Defended d.arkive with a list (later proved fake)
- Presented the fake list again later to add innocents to another list.
- Addressed BlindAlbino directly, agreed with him tenuously on Energies and asked for further discussion on suresh0t.




People Who Accuse MidnightGladius*:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

- Shallow[Bay]
- Eti307
- Lysithea
- BWdero
- Hollander
- Plexa
- Nemy



0cz3c*:
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

- Defended Caller, known innocent, then turned against him (along with many other people, including a now dead medic)
- Defended Ace.
- Defended Ace against BlindAlbino.
- Suggested investigating both Bumatlarge and Randombum on what turned out to be Queasy's clues.
- Complied and voted on Ghar in day 3, had no second vote.
- Accused Ninja4Ever.
- Defended Shallow three times.

last few pages, relevant to note because of recent events

- Responded to my post about his quote by expanding the knowledge of it; has yet to respond about the new clue.
- Supports MidnightGladius being lynched and challenges suresh0t to give reasoning rather than just say things.
- Kinda defends me by questioning a possible clue against me.


Well, look at that. One of my top suspects has a more positive posting history than the majority of townies. This indicates one of two things to me: he's a good, helpful townie or he's a smart mafia. Given the clue we have seemingly connecting him strongly to Copperhead, I'm going to lean towards smart mafia. However, I will concede that I am quite a bit less certain than before.

People Who Accused 0cz3c*:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

Shallow[Bay]
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 16 2008 00:39 GMT
#4620
On April 16 2008 09:38 MidnightGladius wrote:
Wait, aren't I supposed to be Snake Charmer?

:p


Yes?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 00:52:18
April 16 2008 00:51 GMT
#4623
On April 16 2008 09:47 MidnightGladius wrote:
Sorry MTF, I thought that last paragraph was directed to me, until I realized you would never say such nice things about me :D


Well, to give you credit, you made some helpful posts in the beginning and if the fake list being presented multiple times was done in well-meaning manner (which it could have been), then you could have been trying to expand the innocent list. You also made a post analyzing clues which was somewhat sizable, which is more than a lot of other people have done.

It's just that if it's down to you and me, I already know it's not me, and you have so much evidence against you that I'd still be thoroughly more convinced about you than 0cz3c.

We'll see how it all turns out soon enough.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 01:16:29
April 16 2008 01:15 GMT
#4624
Clazziquai*:
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

- Talks about wanting to really help the town early on, after claiming to be a mere townie.
- Questioned Ace's surety on Mandalor.
- Claims to have been gone between March 25th-27th
- Encouraged Ace to keep participating when everyone thought he left.
- Haha, called BlindAlbino the village idiot.


Note that BlindAlbino said that he was surprised that he wasn't caught earlier; perhaps mafia distanced themselves a little from him after they saw the obviousness of his clues, though there's nothing very solidly incriminating in his post record to link him to mafia.

People Who Accuse Clazziquai*:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

- Eti307
- Plexa
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 01:39:43
April 16 2008 01:38 GMT
#4627
crazie-penguin{
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +

- Responds to Clazziquai's calling BlindAlbino the village idiot, saying he's sure he (Blind) was just being sarcastic.


All other results are of minor assistance or just neutral (well, seeming town-sympathetic, but y'know) commentary on the day posts.

People Who Accuse crazie-penguin:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

- Just me, though Plexa has since added a vote of support for my analysis of him.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, that's it for me. Already looked through BlindAlbino thanks to Plexa's much easier history. XD I will update my blog with all the new information I've made 'since and then await day.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 01:53:31
April 16 2008 01:52 GMT
#4633
On April 16 2008 10:46 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
so if Mr. Blue is still there, could we say that clues arent related to a specific character?


No, that's silly. Queasy was most definitely connected to Sidewinder. Mr. Blue must not have been Mandalor, and I would like to reiterate the "right mayor" clue.

As for Gladius turning up green, first off: I'm sorry. You really seemed to have clues stacked up against you, but you did indeed turn up green.

To the town: I'm not going to defend myself the best way I can right now, I will only point out my posts and that BlindAlbino is indeed dead. Wait to hear from Ace and Plexa before you get it into your heads to steamroll me, please. :p

As for now, I'll be working on clues again.

O, and I'm surprised as all hell that I'm alive tonight.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 03:37:56
April 16 2008 03:11 GMT
#4647
Various notes on Mafia and some conclusions from clues.

Bolded bits are clues/conclusions I feel strongly about.

Misc/seemingly unattached words that hinted:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +


- The red moon stared back in the face like a terrifying omen lights out
- lamp moved to center of room
- smiley in place of shotgun
- when four men intercepted them
- fight an army if one would present itself
- fortunately/unfortunately shows up multiple times
- surrounded on all sides
- "the fourth man" has been mentioned specifically twice
- They intruded into the office buildings he was at and quickly found him doing repetitive boring paperwork in his drab cubicle.



Mr. Blue:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

I'm interpreting this guy for the first time, 'since we thought it was Mandalor before; apparently this was not the case.

- Got the last word in, which means one of two things to me: a reference to finality or being of a position greater than those around him. The former seems more likely, though with the next clue...

- He mentions the right mayor being elected; this is the only thing he does through day 1-5. This seems to me to be a strong indicator that this was a very powerful clue, which I believe points at one of the people who ran for mayor.

- A possible music reference exists in "tugged on the chord" as chord is a musical reference whereas cord would be the correct spelling. Possibly just a spelling error.

- "broke the chain of the saw" and "shredded down the side" might be important.



Eddie:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Pointed the gun on day one, but doesn't specify he shot it; he's only used the gun during panic.
- Seems to frequently help his fellow Mafia, i.e. helping Black Mamba and holding down
Empyrean for D.arkive.
- Doesn't seem to be afraid of violence.
- Got the lucky kick in on day 2 and then proceeded to kick Yogurt repeatedly in the gut. This fits LostYourSkills quote in that he started off lucky and then became skilled/habitual with his kicks.
- He has a theme of shooting and then retreating.

He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.


Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly.



Joe:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Strongly supports leader/helps his friends.

A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help,


Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


- Seems to be polite/well spoken.
- Acts when people try to leave.

and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead


New Suspect:

- Joe could be Unforgiven. The photo is of a smiling bunny giving two thumbs up. His name was alluded to last Mafia game, so the cheery/helpful nature of the photo may be his clue this time. However, I see no connection with the leaving clue.



Mr. Red:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- The big one that bugs the shit out of me, he keeps losing his balance and falling over.
- Has never spoken.
- Threw something on the ground that made Lenwe slip, possibly the same substance in the next
clue.
- Though not named specifically, at the beginning of Day 3 he was outside of Dinmsab's house
throwing "matter" at the window and beckoning him out. Mr. Red is confirmed this person by the
following:

Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house.

Mr. Red charged toward Dinmsab at the same time Dinmsab let go of the door and started running out the garage.


Mr. Red was the fourth person introduced into the story in the line immediately after he saw the fourth man. Enigma, California Mountain Snake, and Mr. Orange were in the house before him.



Mr. Blonde:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Is prone to attacking through bodily means.
- Is very fast; I thought he was invisible, but looking at the "jetted" comment on Day 5, I think he
is just very fast.

My prime suspect for Mr. Blonde is Jimtudor. Jim Tudor is the name of a hockey player. Hockey players tend to be quite physical and reach great speeds on the ice.

May have been Evilmonkey.



King Brown Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Appears inhuman or deformed.
- HE IS A MIDGET! Or at least very short. Look:

He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.

New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there.

Mr. Red and Eddie headed them off and King Brown Snake and The Wolf moved in behind Caller. King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.


My prime suspect is Crazie-Penguin. Penguins are short, cannot punch (and therefore may use slapping as an attack), and the word maddened refers to madness or insanity.



The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Seems to be patient/apologetic.
- Accurate. He "made his mark" on Chuiu on Day 1 and threw a nail down the hallway square into
the back of New104's head.
- Doesn't ever seem to be directly involved in trying to kill to start with; he always interrupts or
stumbles along the action, with the exception of Chuiu.


Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Seems prideful and arrogant.
- He has notable physical features.

Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day.


Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground


-Empyrean notes specifically that he doesn't have the means to
detain Enigma. These seem to signify a clue pointing towards something inhuman
- Possible theme of tackling/going to the ground.

said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground.


Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground



Mr. Pink:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Calm and careful. Calculated.
- Is a good fighter,
- Is quiet/soft spoken.
- Suggested the beating of Fishball rather than shoot.
- Seems to be connected to things being parted into two.
- Is perhaps a wild animal or some other creature/a profession that specializes in hunting.

Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street



Mr. Brown:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Repeatedly mentions staring at victims.
- Mr. Brown is situationally unintelligable:

Unintelligible:

he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.


Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying.


Intellible:

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown


He talks quite clearly here, so perhaps it's just his yelling that is indecipherable. Also, note the underlined portions in the quotes; both times he is not understood, direction is mentioned.

- Yard decorations are clearly mentioned, as is a sharp stone.
- This is the second time Brown has helped Pink beat someone to death.
- Also note that he has never shown up alone (twice with Mr. Pink and once with Mr. Blonde) and is often close by them.



Snake Charmer:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Uses swords.



Cottonmouth:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Has a very strong numbers theme, though they don't add up to the same sum when you just
take into account his weapons; but what about the entire day posts? I'll be looking into this after
posting.

Potentially solved - Key number seems to be 44.


+ Show Spoiler [Methodology] +


Day 2:

Specific numbers mentioned:

2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27

Number placements:

once, fourth, = 5

Name (OneBlueAugust):

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10


Total: 44


Day 4:


Specific numbers mentioned:

5, 6, 3 = 14

Name (New104):

1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30

Total: 44

Credit to Plexa for pointing out the days corresponding with the numbers.

Credit to qrs for finding a missing two in Day 2.


Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- He has never been in a prolonged fight - He always just comes in and makes the finishing blow.
- Probably relating to the clue above, he is habitually late and/or lazy.
- Speaking of the finishing blow, both have been crushing of heads.



California Mountain Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Respectful, has a hat.
- Perhaps someone with a musical tie as well, as per the "singing".
- Seems to have a theme of dismembering/taking things apart, as he removed Dinmsab's head and went much further in removing all of aZnvaLiaNce's limbs.
- A possible theme of helplessness.

Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object


and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.



Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Doesn't like/interrupts sound.
- Has never spoken.



Copperhead:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Seems to enjoy giving choices.

There is someone with a quote saying "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- even a boat!" Copperhead gave a choice between left or right, and whatever was in his right pocket bulged too large for his pocket.

This is 0cz3c's quote..



Mr. Black:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Strong, obviously.
- Seems to create a sticky substance.
- Note that as Mr. Black was still climbing through the window JeeJee attacked Copperhead
who was already in the room without waiting, yet Mr. Black is the one who grabbed the bat.
Perhaps this signifies an extra-long reach or something similar.
- Possible connection to love and/or risk?

"We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 16 2008 03:32 GMT
#4650
On April 16 2008 12:22 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
where is the list of confirmed innocents


Fusion has them in his blog post.

I'm editing my post above now to contain all the old information I had as well.
Think. :)
MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-16 04:07:34
April 16 2008 04:04 GMT
#4655
On April 16 2008 12:34 Plexa wrote:
nice to see that we picked up on alot of the same information MTF


Yup. :p

Specific clues I'm going to be looking at tonight/tomorrow:

- Eddie's theme of shooting his gun and retreating.
- Mr. Blue's chainsaw and final/last reference.
- Supportive people in general aimed at Joe, as well as a focus on his theme of attacking as people try to leave.
- Enigma being ugly/having notable physical features and the theme of going to/staying on the ground.
- Mr. Brown's "intelligible/unintelligible" mystery.
- Mr. White being lazy and/or late.



As for who I believe we should take out right now, Crazie-Penguin is my strongest suspect. I feel we've got him pretty well tied down to King Mountain Snake and town can't afford to shoot wildly with another paramedic, jack, and vigilante dead.

(Second place of those I feel strongest about would be Clazziqaui as California Brown Snake but I don't feel nearly as convinced of him as I am of Crazie-Penguin.)
Think. :)
MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-16 09:01:09
April 16 2008 07:44 GMT
#4661
Attempting to attach specific clues to specific people. Bolded names are those I feel strongly about, and italics are those I feel weak about:

- Eddie's theme of shooting his gun and retreating.


jtan:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat.



- Mr. Blue's chainsaw and final/last reference.


Scorch:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile quote is from a Rage Against the Machine song called Know Your Enemy, on an album that had more traditionally metal guitar music than later albums. Now, examine Mr. Blue's latest clues:

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall.


Yes, it's a stretch. :p But, it's the only thing I could find even close to relating.


- Supportive people in general aimed at Joe, as well as a focus on his theme of attacking as people try to leave.


Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile picture is of a happy looking bunny giving the thumbs up. Not only did Joe directly give a thumbs up, he has been helpful/supportive of his fellow Mafia from day one.



- Mr. Brown's "intelligible/unintelligible" mystery.


infinity21:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His profile quote reads, "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit". This could allude to Mr. Brown's off/on ability to be understood.


fgsvsd:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His name is gibberish whilst his quote speaks just fine.



- Mr. White being lazy and/or late.


ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Both scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last in. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he never, not once, has engaged in a fight except to make the finishing blow. I believe this is a strong connection.





Random Things Noted While Looking:

- NatsuTerran translates into SummerTerran.

- qrs has this quote: "It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious." Earlier I noted that there was a very detailed description of a very drab room. I will look into other day posts that contain the same Mafia that showed up in Day 6 to see if I can find any others that are similar.


Finally,

Finding Out Mafia Suspects:


First, let us tally up all the dead Mafia.

Known Mafia:

Sidewinder was Queasy.
Black Mamba was BlindAlbino.
Taipan Snake was d.arkive.


Others That Died:

Evilmonkey - Night 5

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mandalor died on Night 2, meaning that whoever his character is cannot have shown up in Days 3-6, but must have have been in either or both of Days 1-2.


Likewise, Evilmonkey died on Night 5, meaning his character cannot be in the Day 6 post and beyond.



Mafia Who Have Not Shown Up 'Since Day 1-2:

Snake Charmer


We thus find that Mandalor was definitely Snake Charmer.


And for Evilmonkey,

Mafia Who Didn't Show Up On Day 6:

Snake Charmer
King Brown Snake (I strongly believe this is Crazie-Penguin)
Mr. Blonde
Mr. Red
Mr. White
Cottonmouth
The Wolf
Copperhead
Mr. Orange

Any of these can be Evilmonkey. Personally, I feel that he was Mr. Blonde.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 16 2008 08:59 GMT
#4666
On April 16 2008 17:53 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2008 16:44 MTF wrote:
Let's note that we only have 20 mafia names, dead or alive. Seeing as d.arkive (the suicide bomber) has been tied to Taipan Snake, this suggests that the special Mafia roles get a character as well. Thus, the overall number of names should be at 22: 20 Mafia, 1 suicide bomber, and 1 saboteur. This is apparently not so, which leads me to believe that the remaining two mafia can only be found by examining key words in the Day posts.

Look at the OP. There are only 20 mafias total: one suicider, one saboteur and 18 without abilities. Non-townies are related 1:1 to those codenames.

Btw, if you admit yourself that your clue against me is far-fetched, at least write it in italics


O, you're indeed right. I assumed that the 20 mafia were separate from the special roles.

This means that Mandalor was 100% Sword Charmer. Too bad we didn't figure that out before offing MidnightGladius. : x

and sure, I'll italicize you. :p
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MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-16 09:56:48
April 16 2008 09:25 GMT
#4669
Alright, guys, a quick note:

Even though I don't think there are Mafia hiding without names anymore, I am completely certain that fusion was right in that clues are hidden in the day posts without being attached directly to anyone.

My main piece of evidence is here:

He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him.


I always assumed this referred to The Wolf, as he is the next new person introduced. However, I am no longer convinced this is the case, as I've stated before that I feel Mr. White is lazy/late - hence a Mafia in the break room.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 16 2008 09:56 GMT
#4670
Ok, here's a quick list of similar phrases throughout the days with at least three references. Please note that these were not all on one day, in any of their cases. Also, I am well aware that none of these directly proves anything and that some could be unintentional red herrings through storytelling. However, I still do believe there are little clues lying around in Day post words.

[spoiler=Directions and Placements] (I don't think I got all these; kinda rushed because of sleepiness.)
turn of events
took their turns dealing
moved onto the table in the center of the room
turned to the right
dodged to the left
standing right[/spoilers]

+ Show Spoiler [Square] +

punch square in the jaw
landed square in the back of New104's head
landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye


+ Show Spoiler [Hopelessness/Impending Doom] +

near suicidal
no strength left to live.
knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself
almost already felt himself dying as he ran
vain attempt to save


+ Show Spoiler [Sounds] +

alerted by this blast
when they heard the sound resonate
up stairs to investigate the sound
tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about


+ Show Spoiler [Panic] +

Eddie half-panicked
He panicked as he
he panicked and


+ Show Spoiler [Neighbors] +

a neighbors phone
house next to them.
resonate from the house next door.
Next door
on his neighbors lawn


+ Show Spoiler [Impatience/Anger] +

Irritated he decided
getting really impatient
was getting frustrated


+ Show Spoiler [Chance] +

he took his chances with
Unfortunately Mynocks
fortunately they
Unfortunately Dinmsab had
Coincidentally Fishball


+ Show Spoiler [Slow] +

seemed to drag on forever
slowly taking their toll on him.
didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.
He crept down slowly
he walked slowly
walked up slowly
a slow pace


+ Show Spoiler [Military] +

just about surrendered
grouped up in the room
when four men intercepted them.
were ready to fight an army
charged at Empyrean
they were still surrounded
Mr. Red retreated
jetted towards him (possibly)


+ Show Spoiler [Inspection] +

head out to investigate
went up the stairs to investigate
up to investigate
over to them to investigate
inspecting his window


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And with that, I am going to sleep. G'night, town and nightmares to you, Mafia. At least this time I know I won't wake up dead. :p
Think. :)
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April 16 2008 18:07 GMT
#4683
On April 17 2008 02:24 nemY wrote:
The inconsistencies in your guys "detective work" is uhh rather disconcerting... =/


Try doing some yourself! :p

Also, a general note: the only time criticism is helping in any way is when it is specific enough to reveal faults, such as qrs finding the missing two from Day 2 post. Your comments will be taken much more seriously if they have actual content to them instead of just bashing the people working hardest to figure things out.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 16 2008 19:30 GMT
#4688
On April 16 2008 19:10 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2008 18:19 Scorch wrote:
On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote:
by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact

Either MidnightGladius is Mafia
or MTF is mafia

Is this still true? What's the reasoning for this? Should we vote to lynch MTF?


Nono, i think he narrowed down the list to likely people.

But its actually now:

MTF
Smurfingchobo
unsoundlogic
L



Yeah, that's what happened.

O, and I forgot to do this:


Who We Match:

MTF - Mr. Black, from the smashed window reference, "drove through", the reference to love today, and general kickassery.

Smurfingchobo - King Black Snake, from the shortness alone. I honestly feel 100% sure that this is Crazie-Penguin's character.

unsoundlogic - Mr. Orange, as he continually destroys/silences sources of sound.

L - Enigma, as L from Death Note is described as being the worlds greatest detective (Enigma writing down false analysis for the town), unattractive, and mysterious.


So, objectively there's a suspect for every one of us four on that list...which really sucks. Out of them, I feel most strongly inclined towards L for suspicious circumstances and strength of ties to Enigma.

Also note that out of us four, both unsound and L are on the Mandalor list. If L is indeed Mafia, then that clears the other three of us on the TranceStorm list, and clears unsound (and takes down one Mafia) from the Mandalor list.
Think. :)
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April 16 2008 20:19 GMT
#4697
On April 17 2008 05:12 suresh0t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive?


Just curious how this would effect anything?


It wouldn't. Mafia don't send in individual kills, they just send in a list to Chuiu with how many hits are on who. So, Mafia kill strength doesn't go down any from inactivity.
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MTF
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April 16 2008 21:24 GMT
#4718
On April 17 2008 06:19 L wrote:
Or they've protected someone who was mafia. Lenwe wasn't, so the medic on him is 100% confirmed, regardless of if he should or shouldn't have known. All the others, however, aren't. Unless all the saves are on people that are confirmed townie, you're making faulty judgements again.


Mafia - Your Don wishes nothing but to take over the world, but first you must take care of your home town! You will know who your fellow mafia members are and get the ability to kill townies each night. You may not target mafia members, however. Mafia killing power will be decided once signups are closed.
Think. :)
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April 16 2008 23:04 GMT
#4735
Random Note About Cottonmouth:

- Possible theme of meeting people.

when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle.


one by one four more knived embraced his good arm.


I might let it slide if it were just met, but to be followed soon after by the abnormally applied embraced leads me to believe Cottonmouth, or another Mafia, may have this theme.

Random Note About Joe:

- I missed one of his references to acting just when someone is about to leave.

and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone.


- And this reference may be aimed at Joe as well, though it is unclear.

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.


This makes the amount of times Joe has specifically stopped a person trying to leave up to two, and acting when someone tries to leave up to three, and adding one to both if the latter reference does indeed refer to Joe.


Renewing Old Suspect for Mr. Brown & Introducing New Suspect:


I am reintroducing nemY as a suspect for Mr. Brown for the following:

- Theme of staring/meeting gaze.
- Possible theme of pairs; he has always been paired up with just one person and was present when Mynock's head was shot (presented as being in two later) and he broke a phone into two.

Major Flaw: The indecipherable clue is not met so far as I can tell.


I am introducing omfghi2u2 as a suspect for Mr. Brown for the following:

- Theme of staring/meeting gaze.
- "omfg" before hi may be the link to him being indecipherable when he calls out.
- Has introduced himself once, and in accordance with my belief now that clues may be scattered around, it is noteworthy that Enigma also introduced himself/California Mountain Snake.



Nothing solid at the moment. The only two people I feel pretty strongly about taking out right now are L and Crazie-Penguin.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 02:23 GMT
#4749
Hahaha.

On April 17 2008 11:08 crazie-penguin wrote:
First of all it just says that Brown Snake is just a "strange" looking man. Which is incredibly ambiguous, and how you connect "short" to being strange I have absolutely no clue (i'm assuming this because I don't see short anywhere on Brown Snake's description). I don't know, can't some one in a badly emotional state be also in a bad shape or anyone who's a killer?


"strange" = abnormal for a normal person

As for the shortness:

He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.

New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there.

Mr. Red and Eddie headed them off and King Brown Snake and The Wolf moved in behind Caller. King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.


Chuiu doesn't come right out and say it, but he never specifically said BlindAlbino was blind either.
That's kind of the point with clues; you have to interpret them.


On April 17 2008 11:08 crazie-penguin wrote:
Also, if "King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up". If he's stepping up to someone I'm pretty sure he won't be short. It's all I have so far, but what more can I say? You seem to be making weird connections.


King Brown Snake was the one doing the stepping up, so I don't even see how you reached that conclusion. And again, this line:

He met him face to face halfway


Confirms that DapperDan came face to face halfway through getting up from the ground.



On April 17 2008 11:08 crazie-penguin wrote:
As for the maddened part. Maddened can mean many things , it could mean angry or infuriated or something. I'm assuming anyone who gets knocked down would be pretty mad.


It can, but it fits very well in terms of insanity alongside the slapping and blatant shortness of the character to match you.
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April 17 2008 02:54 GMT
#4754
On April 17 2008 11:51 qrs wrote:
I don't have much confidence in Ace's judgment, since it has been wrong more often than it has been right so far. Meanwhile, unless I missed something when I was catching up on the thread, the whole accusation against L was based on a mistake that L pointed out and Chuiu confirmed. Therefore, as far as we know, there is no case against L at the moment. (Of course, the Mafia knows he's a medic now: too bad...)

I will not be voting for L this lynch. I'll probably vote suresh0t because of the clues that seem to point at him. (summary: + Show Spoiler +
1)sure shot: 1-hit kill with nail thrown down hall; twice says that Caller tried to dodge but couldn't. 2) signature: apology for taking on God (authority) but someone has to do it, corresponds with the Wolf's apology to Chuiu for killing him (Chuiu was an authority figure in the Mafia). 3) Profile pic: hammer--goes with nails.
).


I like how that all adds up.

I'm still voting L, but this looks really nice for the future.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 03:50 GMT
#4764
On April 17 2008 12:33 Plexa wrote:
I think L is right, given that he is blue (0.00000005% chance btw) then its super likely the mafia will kill him off tonight. If he lives, we can easily lynch him tomorrow. The rationale here is, why waste a lynch on L while there is still a minute chance that he is innocent. Lynching a mafia today won't decrease the kill count so we can take some time and lynch craziepenguin instead, lynching L tomorrow on the double lynch


Agreed.

Instead of lynching L tonight, let's see if he survives the night. Meanwhile focus energies on one of the strongest suspects we have, crazie-penguin. The logic behind this is that we don't waste our single lynch today on someone who either turns up dead anyway tonight or is pretty much (not that I'm not already thoroughly convinced) confirmed mafia if he doesn't tomorrow, while at the same time getting to find out if one of our strongest suspects who we can't confirm tomorrow is mafia or not.

So, I'm switching my vote to Crazie-Penguin, and then decide on L after the next day comes. It's the best course of action we've got.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 03:55 GMT
#4766
I honestly don't feel like the grabbed argument stands up against all the evidence already against Penguin. It's good that you're applying helpful critique, but at this point I'm pretty much 100% here.

And if anyone tries to point out MidnightGladius here, this isn't quite like that; MidnightGladius got pegged as Mafia for being the only guy with a heavy sword reference to a character who only showed up once and used a sword, as well as it being supposedly down to me and him for finding Mafia in a list. King Mountain Snake has shown up three different days and the clues I've linked are more specific than just a sword.
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 04:20 GMT
#4768
On April 17 2008 13:08 nemY wrote:
Well, I didn't much expect my analysis to hold much water among the elite "puzzle solvers" such as yourself or Plexa. Later on I'll try to see if I can scrounge up anything.


Let me be clear here by saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning my or Plexa's or anybodies analysis, so long as you provide good reasoning against whatever has come up. Which the grabbing aspect was, I just don't think it stands up against all that is for him being a match. In fact, I think it's a damned good thing to do, alongside doing your own analysis, especially when it prevents an innocents kill or provides new information. Qrs proved me wrong a little while back showing that I missed a number in one of the Day posts by doing just that, and though I responded hostilely at first (sorry qrs, scorch) it was a very good thing he did; it brings us to new clues, new suspects, and takes heat off someone who I thought matched the clues beforehand.

So, by all means, fire away if you have arguments, guys. Just make sure to provide reasoning alongside "I think you're wrong".
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 11:18 GMT
#4775
On April 17 2008 19:59 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
EDIT : If we let L alive , tonight the mafia wont kill him for sure even if he's medic,
Why? because we will lynch him the next day so they wont waste a kill on him. so we are better killing him now then later.


Nobody but L is defending L.

Me, Plexa, Camlito, and Scorch all are in favor of keeping L alive for just this cycle (not defending him). Even with the chance of Mafia keeping him alive intentionally if he's blue, we still gain from keeping him alive for just this round, because there is still a very, very slight chance of his innocence and we get another strong suspect in the meantime.

Let me put it this way:

Benefits from Keeping L Alive:

- Allows us to target another strong suspect who isn't claiming blue and wouldn't have any reason to be a mafia target during night phase. Thus, if L is blue and mafia do target him, we save our single, valuable lynch for today.

- We can put L on one last target as a last chance to prove his innocence; if they come up saved, then we can reconsider his guilt, even if L isn't killed. If who he was protecting died and/or he doesn't get killed, we declare double lynch and take him + another strong suspect. Let's not announce who he protects either, so that nobody can say Mafia knew beforehand who he was protecting.

Benefits from Lynching L Today:

- We figure out one cycle sooner if L really is blue or not.


The benefits of keeping him alive tonight outweigh the benefit of lynching him today. The saboteur bit doesn't mean anything either for lynching him sooner; he can't roleblock the same person twice in a row, so Ace can still declare double lynch next Day phase, and most other important people with roles are dead. (not to mention he'd have to know/guess correctly that someone has a role to roleblock them)
Think. :)
MTF
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April 17 2008 15:14 GMT
#4790
On April 17 2008 22:39 Plexa wrote:
just oh my fucking god, Mr Red has been unveiled...

Just oh my god...

Look at all the stuff that in that spoiler and thus we arrive at the conclusion that Mr Red was EvilMonkey

Rofl we suck


Well.....at the very least one of the nightmarishly headache-bringing characters is gone.

Also, I agree with DamageControL as Mr. Black (feel about as strongly about that as I do about Mr. White - ieatkids5 connection) and if L comes up innocent, I'll consider spoinka a strong replacement for Enigma.


On April 17 2008 23:30 qrs wrote:
People are saying that L is a suspect for other reasons. Can anyone summarize them for me, please?


1. L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5.

2.
created L as a "force of justice"


why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".


3.
L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective,


noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off.


4.
Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts.


5.
Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive."


- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here.

Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day.


Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground



On April 17 2008 23:47 Camlito wrote:
Can someone please tell me what unforgivens' rabbit is doing? Giving the finger or thumbs up?


He's giving the thumbs up - notice the only other finger to show up on either hand looks to be what would be the index finger on both hands, both curved inward like he's making sideways fists. Because of that, I suspect him of being Joe for the recent thumbs up reference and generally supportive nature of the character.
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MTF
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April 17 2008 15:43 GMT
#4797
Plexa brought my attention to an earlier link I'd drawn between jtan and Eddie, and upon further inspection, all of this crops up:


jtan as Eddie:
[spoiler=Reasoning]
- His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat, which Eddie has references to/is nearby one other reference to.

Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.


retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe,


when Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly.


- Some possible M&M references through needing help/back-up/having friends.

With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.


Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help"


- A stretch that entertains me:

Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031


Maybe a reference to the Marine's famous saying, "You wanna piece of me, boy?"
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MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-17 15:52:42
April 17 2008 15:49 GMT
#4800
On April 18 2008 00:44 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

By the way, look at what I stumbled upon:
[image loading]
If Enigma calls his friends "pretty cool guys" (exactly same wording!), does this represent a clue against our pardoner, randombum? Could easily be a coincidence of course, "pretty cool guys" is the standard phrase almost everyone would use to describe his friends.


In the past I've stated a few times suspicions against randombum because of "the right mayor" being mentioned (started his campaign way before Day 1 came), and that several known Mafia switched their votes to him at the last moment.

I'm still suspicious and this just adds to that, but we definitely need more clues before we go after him.

Edit: And yes, Chuiu does an amazing job. <3

Edit 2: mebbe, sorta need more clues to go after him. I dunno, the fact that Chuiu left him out from Day 1 - Day 6 still tells me that the "right mayor" clue was pretty major, enough for Chuiu to maybe be scared of making any more direct clues aimed at Blue for awhile.
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Last Edited: 2008-04-17 16:04:41
April 17 2008 16:04 GMT
#4803
On April 18 2008 01:00 Naib wrote:
A counter-argument that you should (imo) take notice on is that we got asked as a whole, by Ace and those discussing the mayoral voting that we should switch votes from Ace to randombum, in order to not let Empyrean get a position of power. So maybe those Mafia were just trying to hide amongst innocent townies, therefore this may not be a reason to draw our suspicion on randombum (I don't say your standpoint is entirely incorrect, but I'm saying let's not take haste. We got stronger leads to go after, like L or spoinka, etc.)


I agree that we shouldn't take haste; it'll definitely take more looking into before he jumps ahead of other top suspects.
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MTF
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April 17 2008 16:15 GMT
#4804
Just a quick note as I search through the day posts looking for more randombum connections:

+ Show Spoiler [Military] +

declares martial law.
just about surrendered
grouped up in the room
when four men intercepted them.
were ready to fight an army
charged at Empyrean
opposite direction to the armory.
they were still surrounded
Mr. Red retreated
jetted towards him (possibly)


I'm still agreeing with fusion here that clues don't necessarily need to be directly tied to Mafia acts. There are definitely a lot of military references. I have two suspects for this particular bunch of words, new one being jtan for military references applying to SC, and old one being GeneralStan for his name relating to the military, obviously.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 18 2008 02:05 GMT
#4821
On April 18 2008 10:50 Plexa wrote:
Here's my take on the military references;
There are a lot of people with military references ie GeneralStan, CDRDude (CDR=commander) and so on but i feel that these connections, without that of a substantial clue, cannot point to either of those players. Hence, until there is something more concrete i dont think we can safely act on any of the clues, especially since we have a lot of targets at the moment

I'd also like to add that the evidence against jtan is as strong as any mafia we've caught before and it coincides with my clues from one section conjecture hence he is highly likely to be mafia in my opinion


Agreed on both counts.

Also, the vote count is pretty close between L and Crazie right now; it's going to be one or the other, and I think we're likely to hit mafia either way, but I'm still hoping to hold out on lynching L this very night, so hopefully we get some last minute Crazie votes.

And I'd like to publically address Bugzitooni and ask him why he has never voted anyone other than nemY. You've voted every day but day 2, when we took out Mandalor and day 5 when Evilmonkey was taken down; every other day you've voted nemY on page 1 or 2. This is, at the least, non-productive behavior when you are obviously following enough to know when the voting starts.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
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Last Edited: 2008-04-18 05:06:29
April 18 2008 05:06 GMT
#4828
Alright, so once again, old references brought to the forefront. I'll note that Heros pointed this out right after I put up the definition of his name, and Plexa + associate PM'ed me about his name connecting again. I wasn't quite sold on it earlier, but as we find that mafia connections are usually simpler than not, I'm leaning towards mafia.


Ziel as The Wolf:

First, the translation:

Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.


The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references.

The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.


"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head


He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest.


The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown.

Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
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Last Edited: 2008-04-18 08:49:28
April 18 2008 05:44 GMT
#4834
So, this is just going to be a list for reference of who I feel are our strongest suspects (people I would advocate lynching at this point) and then a list of definite repeating themes for other characters we have no big suspects for. I'll omit Crazie-Penguin, as I'm pretty sure we're already aligned against him in votes now and he'll be taken care of come night.


Strongest Suspects:


Ziel as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

First, the translation:

Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.


The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references.

The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.


"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head


He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest.


The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown.

Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf.


OR

suresh0t as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 11:51 qrs wrote:I'll probably vote suresh0t because of the clues that seem to point at him. (summary: + Show Spoiler +
1)sure shot: 1-hit kill with nail thrown down hall; twice says that Caller tried to dodge but couldn't. 2) signature: apology for taking on God (authority) but someone has to do it, corresponds with the Wolf's apology to Chuiu for killing him (Chuiu was an authority figure in the Mafia). 3) Profile pic: hammer--goes with nails.
).

To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?



ulszz as Mr. Blue:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 11:36 Plexa wrote:
My associate is on a rolllllll

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.


well done mr associate

Also:
1 mafia out of:
ulszz
araav
rts)night[mare
infundibilum
ahrara
qrs
nemy

which fufills that list

ALSO

if that holds, 10 of the following are mafia

clazziquai
ZBiR
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
suresh0t
Lysithea
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
L
Jimtudor
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
SoMuchBetter
ieatkids5



L as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

1. L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5.

2.
created L as a "force of justice"


why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".


3.
L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective,


noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off.


4.
Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts.


5.
Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive."


- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_%28Death_Note%29]here.

Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day.


Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground
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OR IF L COMES UP INNOCENT


Spoinka as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:
Okay, it just keeps on coming...

Its rather common knowledge now that Enigma is associated with his looks and whatnot.

Enigma ran his hand through his hair...

Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he...

Empyrean noted the features of the man..


[image loading]


Hello spoinka



Ninja4ever. as Mr. Blonde:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 00:22 Plexa wrote:
Okay, my associate stumbled upon the following find for mr blonde

+ Show Spoiler +
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.

With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.

He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.

Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.

"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.

They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground.

There are soo many references to Mr Blonde being agile and appearing from no where, yet at the same time a rather strong figure... See the highlighted passages for evidential proof

Obviously, there is only one thing that is both nimble and powerful and that is a Ninja, thus i present to you Ninja4eva. as Mr Blonde



jtan as Eddie:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

- His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat, which Eddie has references to/is nearby one other reference to.

Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.


retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe,


when Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly.


- Some possible M&M references through needing help/back-up/having friends.

With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.


Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help"


- A stretch that entertains me:

Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031


Maybe a reference to the Marine's famous saying, "You wanna piece of me, boy?"



DamageControL as Mr. Black:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 22:16 Plexa wrote:
Another mafia bites the dust;
+ Show Spoiler +
Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now.

Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.

he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him.

In the first set of clues, Mr Black prevents harm to Copperhead and in effect controls all the damage that JeeJee is able to inflict (note the highlighted passage).
In the second set of clues Mr Black talks about "risk" and how Decaf is too much of a risk to stay alive

Now, this all coincides nicely with a certain name: DamageControl, join your buddies in mafia hell

Just read that passage again and again and keep damagecontrol in your mind and you'll see that the connection is obvious



Dr.Dragoon as Mr. Brown:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 12:51 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.

Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.

Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying.

He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull.


Note that every time Mr Brown chases someone, theres the indecipherable yelling.
Note too that he speaks rather well, and he is quite an able fighter - not killing with guns but with his hands.

This all seems rather contradictory HOWEVER;
Show nested quote +
A dragoon is a soldier who fights on foot but relocates on horseback.

The yelling is indecipherable BECAUSE ITS A HORSE
In addition to that, he is a soldier which fits everything else about him. The match is SO perfect its rediculous.
Also, note that even though dragoons use a particular weapon to kill people - beatings by physical means are not out of the question because they are soldiers after all and the fact that Mr Pink persuaded Mr Brown against using his weapon the first time

DrDragoon this game you really were mafia

+ Show Spoiler [DrDragoon info] +
Fairly active prior to role release, only voting and random comments;
Voted for:
Randombum for mayor
Kuja900 on Day 2
Abstain on Day 3
Abstain on Day 4
No vote on Day 5




ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Both scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he never, not once, has engaged in a fight except to make the finishing blow. This again points to laziness/procrastinating.



0cz3c as Copperhead:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Purely based off Copperhead's speech and 0cz3c's profile quote. Both allude to two choices, one being a mystery, and in Copperhead's speech the object in his right pocket bulged to the point of it seeming too big to hold whatever was inside. This coincides with the quote: "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat!

Considering that his name is gibberish and his profile quote is in latin, this would be the easiest source of clues if 0cz3c is mafia.



So, we have a suspect for every character still alive except Joe, Cottonmouth, Mr. Orange, Mr. Pink, and California Mountain Snake (though I'm still kinda sold on Clazziquai matching him still, the last day post didn't help attach anything I could find).

So, next section:

Strong Themes for Those Without Major Suspects:


Joe:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Strongly supports leader/helps his friends.

A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help,


Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.



- Acts when people try to leave.

and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!".


He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone.


said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead



Mr. Pink:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Seems calm/collected and possibly careful.
- Is a good fighter.
- Is very fast.
- Is quiet.
- Possibly a connection with a hunting animal.

Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street



Cottonmouth:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Has a very strong numbers theme, adding up to 44 both days he was present.



Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Doesn't like/interrupts sound and/or calls for help.
- Has never spoken.



California Mountain Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Clues] +

- Respectful, has a hat.
- Perhaps someone with a musical tie as well, as per the "singing".
- Seems to have a theme of dismembering/taking things apart, as he removed Dinmsab's head and went much further in removing all of aZnvaLiaNce's limbs.
- A possible theme of helplessness.

Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object


and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 18 2008 07:22 GMT
#4837
On April 18 2008 16:18 Last Romantic wrote:
Reading this thread continues to confound me.

The only thing I've got a beef with is L being ugly, because IMO L is quite pretty [the DeathNote character, at least]

but I'd still kill him anyway.


Everyone keeps bringing this up, but read through the wiki article on L.

If Chuiu got his information from there, it specifically mentions L being proposed as being ugly, and several other references to making him unappealing during his design. In light of this, whether or not he is ugly in actuality doesn't prove things one way or another, as it is the information source that Chuiu pulls from that matters.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 07:34:44
April 18 2008 07:33 GMT
#4839
On April 18 2008 16:26 L wrote:
Show nested quote +

+ Show Spoiler +

- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here.
I found it funny that:

1) You linked to the letter L, which has nothing to do with the interpretation.

2) Upon reading the wikipedia article, there's a massive amount of contraindicatory information.

Examples:

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Ohba said that he left "everything" about L's character design to Obata. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." Afterwards Ohba included ideas in his thumbnails, including L's manner of sitting, "he's English," and "he's listless." Ohba said that he added details regarding L's mannerisms and his "sweet tooth." Ohba credits Obata for the character designs.[5]
Basically you misquoted the paragraph that said that L developed into a very quirky character and used it so say he was ugly.

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Obata said that, during the development of the early manga chapters, he feared that L would appear to be "so suspicious that Light would know instantly it was L if they ever met." When Obata's editor told him that he wanted L to have a face "looking cool based on the angle," Obata added black "bags" under L's eyes. Obata cited Devilman's Akira Fudou when stating that he believed that black bags "looked cool." In addition, Obata thought of a "dead eyes" concept involving L having "mostly no eyebrows" and "all-black eyes." Obata believes that having black eyes usually makes a character "goofier," but the bags "sharpen the character's gaze." Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. In addition Obata said that the bags under L's eyes attracts speculation about L's lifestyle and past. He described the bags as "useful." Obata designed L with a "simple" white, long-sleeved shirt and jeans outfit to convey the idea that L does not put thought into choosing his clothing. In Death Note: How to Read 13, Obata presented an initial rough draft of L. Obata said that, with a "cool expression" and without the "bags" under his eyes the rough draft L looks like "a totally different person."[4]
Clearly looking cool and being ugly are the same, right? GJ taking someone and fitting clues to him as opposed to taking clues and fitting them thematically to people.

Anyways, that's the preliminary design of L. Read further down into what he actually does in the anime, and you'll see that none of it remotely describes me.

I'd argue harder, but i'll be mafia'd in the face tonight. Suffice it to say, a sweet tooth, odd posture, looking sleepy, only fighting using kicks or any number of odd but L-centric quirks could have described me, and not only does enigma not have these characteristics, but no other mafia member does either. What else would clues about me be made on? We've been over the letter itself, we've been over the ell sound. we've been over nearly everything. Similarly, the traits enigma has (running hand through hair for instance), don't match up.

Either way, when I die and come up blue, lynching spoinka because of a single pokemon reference to an animal who bounces (as opposed to falls down).

This will be the third time people try to pin me to a name, and do so poorly. I'd tell people who I think enigma is, but the town wouldn't believe me until I died anyways, so what's the point?


You're misconstruing my intentions. Specific portions of the paragraphs fit; just because others do not fit (NOT the same as contradicting evidence) doesn't mean a single thing. It specifically mentions L being proposed as unattractive, and nothing that follows that you posted contradicts this. It is only additional information.

If you have a suspect, the best bet to clear your name is to tell your suspicions. Claiming to have one and then keeping it to yourself only shows selfishness and doesn't help your case in any way at all.

O, and how did I link to the letter L? All of the links I provided link to L, the character from Death Note.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 08:48:39
April 18 2008 08:45 GMT
#4842
On April 18 2008 17:36 qrs wrote:
^your wikipedia link was to the main article L, which was about the letter. no matter

You're saying that a German translation that means target is a more natural connection to accuracy than "sure shot"? Can't say I agree with that...
To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?


O, haha. Fixed.

As for it being more natural, yes, I still feel that way; that being said, I think suresh0t is also an extremely qualified candidate for Wolf, especially with the multiple possible links to him you're bringing up.

I'll add him to the list.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 09:00:04
April 18 2008 08:59 GMT
#4843
People from the/my (not sure which to call it here) top suspects list that are also on the Mandalor list:

ieatkids5
0cz3c
Ninja4ever.
suresh0t
L


Other general personal suspects on the Mandalor list:

unsoundlogic (if L comes up innocent, as unsound is on the TranceStorm list as well and I like him as Mr. Orange)
Clazziquai
Unforgiven_ve
Jimtudor
nemY
GeneralStan
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 18 2008 12:40 GMT
#4846
On April 18 2008 21:29 Plexa wrote:
The mystery of Californian Mountain Snake has finally been revealed

+ Show Spoiler +
the closer man bowed with his hat in hand (think Crocodile Dundee) and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake.

He heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.

Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in {his chest, his gut} (pair one), {his arms} (pair two) {and legs} {pair three) and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.

Notice how the weapon pierces in pairs? well after careful thought the object thrown by Californian Mountain Snake is indeed a boomerang - a commonly thrown australian weapon. Indeed it can be seen that Cali is the quintessential Australian man especially if you consider the hat being the stereotypical hat of the australians (the corked hat) to complement the stereotypical australian weapon - he is a total stereotype if you will

Thus, "AussieScum" or SoMuchBetter is indeed Californian Mountain Snake muhahaha

Note SMB is on the mandalor list



Hahahaha. I'm gonna agree with this. :p

Damn, we need something like quintuplet lynch tomorrow.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 03:46:12
April 19 2008 01:16 GMT
#4874
Alright, updating original list with Plexa's new suspects, though I really don't agree with ZBiR.


Strongest Suspects:


Ziel as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

First, the translation:

Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.


The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references.

The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.


"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head


He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest.


The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown.

Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf.


OR

suresh0t as The Wolf:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 11:51 qrs wrote:I'll probably vote suresh0t because of the clues that seem to point at him. (summary: + Show Spoiler +
1)sure shot: 1-hit kill with nail thrown down hall; twice says that Caller tried to dodge but couldn't. 2) signature: apology for taking on God (authority) but someone has to do it, corresponds with the Wolf's apology to Chuiu for killing him (Chuiu was an authority figure in the Mafia). 3) Profile pic: hammer--goes with nails.
).

To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?



ulszz as Mr. Blue:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 11:36 Plexa wrote:
My associate is on a rolllllll

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.


well done mr associate

Also:
1 mafia out of:
ulszz
araav
rts)night[mare
infundibilum
ahrara
qrs
nemy

which fufills that list

ALSO

if that holds, 10 of the following are mafia

clazziquai
ZBiR
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
suresh0t
Lysithea
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
L
Jimtudor
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
SoMuchBetter
ieatkids5



L as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

1. L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5.

2.
created L as a "force of justice"


why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".


3.
L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective,


noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off.


4.
Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts.


5.
Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive."


- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here.

Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day.


Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground



OR IF L COMES UP INNOCENT


Spoinka as Enigma:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:
Okay, it just keeps on coming...

Its rather common knowledge now that Enigma is associated with his looks and whatnot.

Enigma ran his hand through his hair...

Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he...

Empyrean noted the features of the man..


[image loading]


Hello spoinka



Ninja4ever. as Mr. Blonde:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 00:22 Plexa wrote:
Okay, my associate stumbled upon the following find for mr blonde

+ Show Spoiler +
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.

With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.

He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.

Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.

"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.

They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground.

There are soo many references to Mr Blonde being agile and appearing from no where, yet at the same time a rather strong figure... See the highlighted passages for evidential proof

Obviously, there is only one thing that is both nimble and powerful and that is a Ninja, thus i present to you Ninja4eva. as Mr Blonde



jtan as Eddie:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

- His profile picture is of M&M microing against lurkers, aka, fire and retreat, which Eddie has references to/is nearby one other reference to.

Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.


retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe,


when Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly.


- Some possible M&M references through needing help/back-up/having friends.

With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.


Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help"


- A stretch that entertains me:

Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031


Maybe a reference to the Marine's famous saying, "You wanna piece of me, boy?"



DamageControL as Mr. Black:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 22:16 Plexa wrote:
Another mafia bites the dust;
+ Show Spoiler +
Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now.

Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.

he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him.

In the first set of clues, Mr Black prevents harm to Copperhead and in effect controls all the damage that JeeJee is able to inflict (note the highlighted passage).
In the second set of clues Mr Black talks about "risk" and how Decaf is too much of a risk to stay alive

Now, this all coincides nicely with a certain name: DamageControl, join your buddies in mafia hell

Just read that passage again and again and keep damagecontrol in your mind and you'll see that the connection is obvious



Dr.Dragoon as Mr. Brown:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 17 2008 12:51 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.

Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.

Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying.

He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull.


Note that every time Mr Brown chases someone, theres the indecipherable yelling.
Note too that he speaks rather well, and he is quite an able fighter - not killing with guns but with his hands.

This all seems rather contradictory HOWEVER;
Show nested quote +
A dragoon is a soldier who fights on foot but relocates on horseback.

The yelling is indecipherable BECAUSE ITS A HORSE
In addition to that, he is a soldier which fits everything else about him. The match is SO perfect its rediculous.
Also, note that even though dragoons use a particular weapon to kill people - beatings by physical means are not out of the question because they are soldiers after all and the fact that Mr Pink persuaded Mr Brown against using his weapon the first time

DrDragoon this game you really were mafia

+ Show Spoiler [DrDragoon info] +
Fairly active prior to role release, only voting and random comments;
Voted for:
Randombum for mayor
Kuja900 on Day 2
Abstain on Day 3
Abstain on Day 4
No vote on Day 5




ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Both scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he never, not once, has engaged in a fight except to make the finishing blow. This again points to laziness/procrastinating.



0cz3c as Copperhead:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Purely based off Copperhead's speech and 0cz3c's profile quote. Both allude to two choices, one being a mystery, and in Copperhead's speech the object in his right pocket bulged to the point of it seeming too big to hold whatever was inside. This coincides with the quote: "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat!

Considering that his name is gibberish and his profile quote is in latin, this would be the easiest source of clues if 0cz3c is mafia.



Plexa's Other Top Suspects:


Scorch as Mr. Blue: (more strongly suspects Ulszz)
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

Reasoning is probably this


His profile quote is from a Rage Against the Machine song called Know Your Enemy, on an album that had more traditionally metal guitar music than later albums. Now, examine Mr. Blue's latest clues:

Show nested quote +
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall.


Yes, it's a stretch. :p But, it's the only thing I could find even close to relating


and the fact that Scorch is left over on the shortened Mandalor list if Ulszz turns out red.



Scorch as Mr. Pink:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 19 2008 01:12 Plexa wrote:
Basically, i am rather convinced that Mr Pink is some kind of super human... now Lysithea's profile picture has an interesting copyright - "HYBRID WORKS" - which could allude to Mr Pinks superhuman traits, the alternative is some kind of super hero, Supah can't be it because of a number of reasons, however, Scorch is a Super Villainesse (antagonist of superman) and hence, somewhat fits the criteria.



Lysithea as Mr. Pink: (more strongly suspects Scorch)
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 19 2008 01:12 Plexa wrote:
Basically, i am rather convinced that Mr Pink is some kind of super human... now Lysithea's profile picture has an interesting copyright - "HYBRID WORKS" - which could allude to Mr Pinks superhuman traits,



Clazziquai as Mr. Orange:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 22:40 Plexa wrote:
Mafia must hate me
+ Show Spoiler +
But as he was dialing he noticed the phone line had been cut.

Mr. Orange came down with a pair of wire clippers in hand and bashed Dinmsab on the back with them. (seems rather out of place given the calmness of the other two mafia in the room - he doesn't understand his comrades) Dinmsab used the momentum to dive forward instead of fall and regained his balance after a roll, he was standing right beside his garage door and took the opportunity to escape by going out it. Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house.

Meta had saw them and was running towards Mr. Orange and Black Mamba. "Why aren't you calling for help" asked Meta as he reached them. Mr. Orange shrugged (he doesn't understand him) and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help.

Mr. Orange finally put an end to his bellows (A very loud utterance (like the sound of an animal) which further emphasises the fact he doesn't understand him) and shot Meta in the head, ending his life.

So yea, Mr Orange doesn't understand shit why? because he doesn't understand english (its no coincidence he hasn't spoken yet) i leave you with the suspect clazziquai as Mr Orange because of the following;
1) "me from kiribati. me no speak english. ^^" thats mr orange all right
2) on the mandalor list



SoMuchBetter as California Mountain Snake:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

On April 18 2008 21:29 Plexa wrote:
The mystery of Californian Mountain Snake has finally been revealed

+ Show Spoiler +
the closer man bowed with his hat in hand (think Crocodile Dundee) and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake.

He heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.

Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in {his chest, his gut} (pair one), {his arms} (pair two) {and legs} {pair three) and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.

Notice how the weapon pierces in pairs (and that its done "pretty soon")? well after careful thought the object thrown by Californian Mountain Snake is indeed a boomerang - a commonly thrown australian weapon. Indeed it can be seen that Cali is the quintessential Australian man especially if you consider the hat being the stereotypical hat of the australians (the corked hat) to complement the stereotypical australian weapon - he is a total stereotype if you will

Thus, "AussieScum" or SoMuchBetter is indeed Californian Mountain Snake muhahaha

Note SMB is on the mandalor list


ZBiR as Cottonmouth:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

[QUOTE]On April 18 2008 22:07 Plexa wrote:
although i know MTF doesn't agree with this analysis, and my associate is skeptical .. however given that Cottonmouth must be on the mandalor list i arrive at this conclusion for cottonmouth...

+ Show Spoiler +
Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but one by one four more knived embraced his good arm.

NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back.

He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him.

Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104
Just note there that he has a number of Kives ("belt") and a number of nails... which almost sounds like a collection of various objects right? If CottonMouth uses another set of weapons next night then this clue is strengthen (especially if the numbers don't add to 44). Basically, "Collection" is the english translation of the croation word zbir... Hence ZBiR - as your name literally means collection - you must be cottonmouth



Artanis as Joe:
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 01:18 GMT
#4875
On April 19 2008 08:42 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2008 17:59 MTF wrote:
People from the/my (not sure which to call it here) top suspects list that are also on the Mandalor list:

ieatkids5
0cz3c
Ninja4ever.
suresh0t
L


Other general personal suspects on the Mandalor list:

unsoundlogic (if L comes up innocent, as unsound is on the TranceStorm list as well and I like him as Mr. Orange)
Clazziquai
Unforgiven_ve
Jimtudor
nemY
GeneralStan



Remove me please? Unless you have some super evidence that incriminates me.


The only ties I have to you are people meeting gazes/things being broke into two.

Until I clear up who that is, I'm still suspecting you. Not strongly suspecting you, hence you being a general suspect rather than prime, but I'm keeping you in mind. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 01:29:58
April 19 2008 01:27 GMT
#4876
Something for the general town to consider:

On April 18 2008 20:11 Plexa wrote:
Here's a small summary of what we've uncovered thus far;

Confirmed
EvilMonkey = Mr Red
Mandalor = Snake Charmer
Queasy = SideWinder
BlindAlbino = Black Mamba
d.arkive = Taipan Snake

Suspected
L # or spoinka = Enigma
Dr.Dragoon = Mr Brown
craziepenguin = King Brown Snake
DamageControl = Mr Black
Ninja4eva. # = Mr Blonde
jtan = Eddie
ulszz = Mr Blue
0cz3c = Copperhead
ieatkids5 # = Mr White
suresh0t # or Ziel = The Wolf
SoMuchBetter # = Californian Mountain Snake
Clazziquai # = Mr Orange
ZBiR # = Cottonmouth

# denotes mandalor list


15 Mafia are still alive, 10 are in the Mandalor list, 5 are outside of it.

We have eight suspects for characters not in the Mandalor list here, thus three of them must be wrong or pointed at the wrong Mafia. Furthermore, if four or more of those suspects are innocent, then at least one Mafia still exists outside of the Mandalor list. I think the Mandalor list still needs to be our focus, but I wanted to post this as a general notice for the future, in case we miss a fair amount of our non-Mandalor listed targets.

Also note that two of our non-Mandalor suspects are paired up with Mandalor listed suspects. Thus, if the Mandalor listed suspects turn up red, our suspects for outside of the Mandalor list shrinks to six, meaning we'd have to hit five of six for all remaining characters to be in the Mandalor list.

Of those not in the Mandalor list, I feel only 100% certain of Crazie-Penguin and DamageControl. I would still recommend we follow Plexa's lynching plan and take Ulszz and L, though. Even though I feel the evidence isn't as strong for Ulszz as it is for several others, if Ulszz does turn up red, town gets a huge boost in narrowing down suspects.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 04:13:55
April 19 2008 04:11 GMT
#4885
oops

Edit2: Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt to just leave it up here.


Sorry to be flooding your PM box. : x

Have you happened to have read Crazie-Penguin's blog?

He puts up some spoilers and says that the picture below is for the town, that mafia/bystanders shouldn't look. The picture is a disturbing one, a baby with a skin disease.

I think it's safe to say we've got him, even though I was pretty positive before. :p

Also, I checked throughout the rest of his blog posts; ieatkids and Blind had never posted in one before (though they're all just girly pic posts, so)


Show nested quote +
On April 18 2008 12:20 ieatkids5 wrote:
On April 18 2008 12:10 BlindAlbino wrote:
ugh I went from bottom to top

I was so turned on at the beginning then it just got worst and worst...

ROFLMAO
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 07:02 GMT
#4897
On April 19 2008 15:50 clazziquai wrote:
Nice! We're finally on the right track ^^

Great job MTF, but am I still on your suspect list?


You've become a consistently less strong suspect to me for California Mountain Snake, but now I'm pretty sure Plexa has you in his sights for Mr. Orange.

So, no time to rejoice leaving my findings as you just fell into his. :p

As for this night phase, I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. I just want a new day and new clues to come now. XD

I'm not finding anything new as I go over the day posts (though Plexa's associate is; go super associate go!), so anyone out there looking to clear their names off the suspect list/clear others/find new suspects please, please go at it. We're making progress, but town needs as many actives as it can get trying to pin down mafia.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 10:31:53
April 19 2008 09:09 GMT
#4901
Things To Note:

Day 2 vote = day we killed Mandalor.
Day 4 vote = last vote a detective was alive. People not voting/avoiding big lists that might be checked before this day, but start voting a lot afterwards, should come under suspicion.
Day 5 vote = day we killed Evilmonkey.

Also, some Mafia that did not wish to abstain/not vote may have come up with the idea to constantly vote one person/only vote against people who others were not voting for. BlindAlbino did just this until the day our last detective died, then he hopped onto the wagon with the majority of the towns vote.


Known Mafia Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Crazie-Penguin:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Abstain
Day 3: Abstain
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L, died during this vote.


BlindAlbino:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu


Mandalor:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Abstain, died during this vote.


Queasy:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive:

Mayoral vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Died this cycle.



Known Mafia Total:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 3
Ace - 1
Last Romantic - 1
No vote - 1

Day 2:
Abstain or no vote - 4
Ghar - 1
str - 1

Day 3:
Abstain or no vote - 2
Ace - 1
Bumatlarge - 1
str - 1

Day 4:
Abstain or no vote - 4
araav - 1

Day 5:
No vote - 2
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 1

Day 6:
L - 1




Major Suspect Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


ieatkids5:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin


L:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu
Day 6: Nemy (for giggles)


suresh0t:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: No vote.


Ninja4ever.:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


0cz3c:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Clazziquai:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L


nemY:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Showtime! *one mafia in this list*
Day 4: No vote, seemed to miss the count.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.
Day 6: L


Ziel:

Mayoral vote: Ghar
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


ulszz:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Showtime! *one mafia in this list*
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Spoinka:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


jtan:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


DamageControl:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Dr.Dragoon:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *first vote*
Day 2: Kuja900 *who voted for him*
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L


Scorch:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, bumatlarge
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Siefu, no second vote.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin *first vote*


Lysithea:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Dr.Dragoon *first vote*


SoMuchBetter:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


ZBiR:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, BlindAlbino
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


str:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Artanis[xP]:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin



RtS)Night[Mare:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin



Major Suspect Summary:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


People who never voted, ever: 3

Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 7
Ace - 2
Fusion - 2
Empyrean - 2
Ghar - 1

(no votes/abstains from this point won't include Spoinka who never voted after Mayoral election)

Day 2:
Mandalor - 13
Kuja900 - 1

Day 3:
Wurm - 7
Showtime! - 3
Ghar - 3
BlindAlbino - 1
bumatlarge - 1
No vote - 1

Day 4:
No vote/abstain - 13

Day 5:
No vote/abstain - 9
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 5
Siefu - 1
Bugzitooni - 1

Day 6:
No vote/abstain - 7
Crazie-Penguin - 3
L - 3
Dr.Dragoon - 1
Nemy - 1



Suspect Numbers (Combined Mafia/suspects):


No votes/no votes after mayoral election: 5 (1 mafia, 4 suspects)

Mayoral vote: Randombum - 10 (3 Mafia, 7 suspects)
Day 2: No suspect matches.
Day 3: No suspect matches.
Day 4: No vote/abstain - 17 (4 Mafia, 13 suspects)
Day 5: No vote/abstain - 11 (2 Mafia, 9 suspects)
Day 6: No vote/abstain - 7 (7 suspects)


Finally,


Someone I Suspect Through Vote Analysis:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

Bugzitooni:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: nemY
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: nemY
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: nemY

Mainly because he has only ever voted nemY and has multiple instances of non voting between. He was also defended by BlindAlbino, which may or may not have been a trick (as the defense of MidnightGladius was).


People Blind protected:

LostYourSkills
Lysithea
Queasy - Comfirmed Mafia
MidnightGladius - Confirmed innocent.
Bugzitooni
Mandalor - Comfirmed Mafia
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 09:16 GMT
#4902
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 19 2008 16:47 Plexa wrote:
This is the current debate - who is guilty? nemY or ulszz?

+ Show Spoiler +
"Just let us go, you can run things(Engine?) however you please once we're gone" he said, and with that turned to the nearest exit(Pit stop?). A few paces and he thought he was home(End of the race?) free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". DapperDan flinched at the thought, he gauged(as in a car gauge) the distance to the door and what he would need to do to get there.(Fuel?)

Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. Maybe another connection

He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed (someone driving down the road) obviously looking for someone. LucasWoJ waved him down and (Joe got out of the car.) "Is this your friend?" LucasWoJ asked as he pointed to Sidewinder, lying next to a pool of vomit. "Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help, but I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something" said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead saying "he was supposed to kill you".

Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Joe kept a tight grip (To the steering wheel, or clutch?) as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice.


"Driving round and round (car connection) until its dawn
To look for you in rooms we used to go
I held you back, (joe always does this) I had to set you free
But now I know what’s meant to be"

This links to joe very strongly (its intuitive but if youre really not sold leave a comment) and the quoted section comes from the song in nemY's profile

OR


+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.


Now im pretty certain one of them is mafia - but which one?


For those who don't get why we're debating between these two:

+ Show Spoiler +

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)


One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.

I'm personally leaning more towards nemY on this one. Ulszz has only ever voted once (Showtime!), which more denotes possible inactivity than intentional lurking to me. On the other hand, nemY did not vote for Evilmonkey/Siefu, he is on the Mandalor list as well as this one, and I feel the clues linking to him to Joe are stronger than those linking Ulszz to Blue.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 10:03 GMT
#4905
On April 19 2008 18:54 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Ok, i didn't have time to see the thread since day 2/3.
So i'm still very suspect. I saw even plexa suspect me now, while he was defending me at the beginning, I'm quite sad about it.
Well, if you find ONE clue pointing to my quote, and not only to my aka, you'll have strong evidence that i'm mafia. But at the moment i don't think you've something. ( I could be wrong though, since I didn't take the time to read all these pages )


Most people are linked only by a single aspect; Queasy, Crazie-Penguin, Mandalor, and Evilmonkey were all linked by name alone, while d.arkive was based off his image (I believe).
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 10:15:23
April 19 2008 10:09 GMT
#4906
On April 19 2008 18:54 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 18:16 MTF wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)


One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.


I do have another suspect among these, RtS)Night[Mare.
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 02:55 Scorch wrote:
Not a supervillain, but my own take on Mr. Pink
+ Show Spoiler +
"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" (wisdom, cool-headed planning) commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.

Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia (unemotional remark). As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot (gruesome, macabre), the two men became filled with shock.

He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after

OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head (same again). OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter (gained a "level-up" from Mynock's pain?). Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live (energy leeched out of him?).

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. (Mr. Pink wants to beat him to death slowly for additional pain, instead of shooting him dead quickly. Mr.Brown obeys because Mr.Pink is considered wise and cold-minded.) Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.

From this, I extract two major themes: bloodlust/violence/sadism and thoughtfulness/wisdom/considerateness. Bind this to RtS)Night[Mare's profile text:
"Pain makes one suffer.
Suffering makes one think.
Thinking makes one wise.
And Wisdom makes life bearable."
Nightmare gains wisdom/strength by pain (of his victims?). This fits perfectly with Mr.Pink's brutality and sadism, and it also explains Mr.Pink's smartness and good thinking. If you want to take the "supervillain or being with superhuman powers" route, a "Nightmare" or "Incubus" is also a demon, which drains energy from its victim and would probably be a strong fighter.


I'd say ulszz > NightMare > nemY.


Hmm.

But, of those three, only nemY is on the Mandalor list. This boosts his chance of being the Mafia among them greatly, as Mandalor list is 1/4 odds of hitting a Mafia, Showtime! list at 1/8. In other words, outside of the Showtime! list, Ulszz or Nightmare would have to be one of four Mafia left in seventy-seven people vs nemY being one of ten Mafia left in forty people.

Statistically alone, strength lies in nemY's case being Mafia, and I feel most strongly that his clues match up.

Er, nevermind. Nightmare is on the Mandalor list. That strengthens his case opposed to Ulszz for me, but of the two I still feel nemY is the prime choice.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 10:30 GMT
#4909
On April 19 2008 19:15 Scorch wrote:
Wrong. Night[Mare voted for Mandalor too.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2008 13:44 Chuiu wrote:
Final Vote Count:
[...]
Mandalor - 58
Ace
Showtime!
ShaLLoW[baY]
qrs
clazziquai
ahrara_
Falcynn
ZBiR
unsoundlogic
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
nemY
MidnightGladius
decafchicken
L
Empyrean
Eti307
suresh0t
randombum
Lysithea
French_Toast
New104
Kau
Artanis[Xp]
Ninja4ever.
Naib
JeeJee
Hittegods
SoleSteeler
Romance_us
Plexa
LucasWoJ
Caller
Fishball
RtS)Night[Mare
Jimtudor
GranDim
Lenwe
Alethios
NatsuTerran
0cz3c
Last Romantic
zeks
Pangolin
SpiritoftheTuna
Unforgiven_ve
Energies
BloodyC0bbler
iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter
Camlito
bumatlarge
fanatacist
ieatkids5
~OpZ~
SonuvBob
Siefu
butidigress

[...]



Edit: I'm too slow, you already found that out yourself


As a sort of apology (and to sate my own curiosity), I found and added Nightmare's voting history to the post above. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 09:43 GMT
#4929
On April 20 2008 18:28 Naib wrote:
I think we should get rid of Eti and SoleSteeler the next double lynch, those accusations seem foolproof. And we need to reduce mafia numbers as fast as we can. (Unless you can find a clue that points to the sabouteur himself, but I doubt such things exists.)


One of our votes is definitely counting on whether or not L is proven innocent tonight.

I'd also personally lynch any of the following before Sole:

DamageControl
Ninja4ever.
ieatkids5
suresh0t
Clazziquai

One probably will be Eti or Ulszz, though. Depends on what the new clues reveal and if L is proven innocent or not.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 20:13 GMT
#4941
O, and guys...

He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground.


We know that quote had nothing to do with Queasy. If Ulszz does come up mafia, I would consider this strong evidence that other mafia can and do get referred to indirectly, as Ulszz's quote says that he's a newb and needs reminding.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 20:32:16
April 20 2008 20:30 GMT
#4943
On April 21 2008 05:29 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 05:13 MTF wrote:
O, and guys...

He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground.


We know that quote had nothing to do with Queasy. If Ulszz does come up mafia, I would consider this strong evidence that other mafia can and do get referred to indirectly, as Ulszz's quote says that he's a newb and needs reminding.


sidewinder cant be the one needing reminding, as mr blue is the newb. :S


Being exactly what I said. :p

Queasy = Sidewinder who was the only Mafia on the scene at the time (Joe showed up later)

Being reminded directly connects to Ulszz's quote, so all I'm saying is that if Ulszz comes up mafia, we can be pretty sure that there are clues we've missed by not looking everywhere. All of our mafia pinning thus far has only been on the traits that individual mafia have shown, not by related phrases/traits that have been shown while a different mafia was active.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 21:09 GMT
#4946
On April 21 2008 05:44 fusionsdf wrote:
or you know,

since its a note

with someones name on it

who dies because of the note

almost like a deathnote


There is

that,

too.

Well, both L (provided there are no miracles in his favor) and Ulszz are likely to be pushed for lynching next day phase, anyway. :p

I'll look for other possible indirect links later tonight.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 22:05 GMT
#4948
On April 21 2008 06:20 L wrote:
There is another person in this game with a name related to death note besides me. Should be pretty darn easy to figure out given the death note remix thread in general at the moment.


Being?

I glanced through the thread and found nobody matching up to Matsuda, and the only person from the Mafia game in the thread is fusion, who is confirmed innocent by the lists.

Honestly, it just seems like you're floundering to me. First you tried to disprove the clues linking you in a rather weak way, then you said you had a suspect for Enigma other than yourself, but refused to say who, and now you say that someone can be related from that thread without saying who it is.

Being vague does not help you unless you are intentionally trying to misdirect. Prove me wrong here and point out who you suspect and who it is here that can be linked to Death Note as well, and then we can get started on going somewhere with your input.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 22:48 GMT
#4950
On April 21 2008 07:24 L wrote:
Its not Matsuda.

Its the main character of the series, being the guy screaming out to matsuda in those videos, the guy who gives grimaces, the who who has a fake note written, the guy who is righteous and believes that he's the only one who can fix things.

Enigma isn't L. Enigma is Yagami Light.



Watch 2:05.


Who would you link Yagami Light to? Amber[Light] is the only one with a name linking to such that I can find.

I do admit, the correlation between Enigma's quote of being the ones to rid the world of good is much stronger related to Light than L being a "force of justice".

Ohba also describes Light as having a "warped" "desire to be godlike," bearing love for his family, and intending to transform the world into "a better place.""


The fact that he is a genius also adds to his notion that only he is fit to judge humanity and steer it on a proper moral course.


and the false detective notes,

Light is later nominated by L's investigation team (who are unaware that he is Kira) to act as L, due to the fact that they cannot reveal the death of the real L to the world. Light also takes over the role of L's assistant, Watari. Now able to act as both Kira and L, Light can continue killing criminals while leading the investigation team in circles.


I think L might actually be on to something, but we still have to account for the medic inconsistency.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:16 GMT
#4963
Well, I looked through the pages and didn't find that much. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough/well enough. I'm probably unintentionally skipping over words from having read them already so many times. XD

Anyway, here are the only links I can draw;

L to Enigma to Investigation:
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head out to investigate
went up the stairs to investigate
up to investigate
over to them to investigate
inspecting his window

Investigation appears quite frequently, and if L turns up red (as it is seeming he will upon further personal investigation into the medic matter), I'd say that this pointed to him.



ieatkids5 to Mr.White to Laziness:
+ Show Spoiler +

Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room

This is the only thing I could find. The mafia is never named specifically, but I feel strongly that ieatkids5 is mafia, and is Mr. White.



Finally, something I know people are going to be on my ass about,

Str to Cottonmouth to Words:
+ Show Spoiler +

Alright, I'll admit that I searched this because I can't find anyone with links to 44 other than str; if someone can find a stronger candidate, go for it. This is my summary for str relatedness:

Day 1:

Words beginning with str: 0
Words str is a known abbrievation for: 0


Day 2:

Words beginning with str: 8

mafia would strike,
diving straight into
ground Mynock struggled
He struck him down
struck Black Mamba
OneBlueAugust struggled to
no strength left
stone that struck his

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

straight
strength


Day 3:

Words beginning with str: 1

stricken with fear,

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0


Day 4:

Words beginning with str: 6

strange device fired
strange man on his way
surge in strength to knock
the street Showtime!
stabbed Showtime! straight
across the street

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

strength
straight


Day 5:

Words beginning with str: 2

a street fight
straight at him

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 1

straight


Day 6:

Words beginning with str: 3

strong message and
street where shadowdrgn
streets as he riddled

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Days 2 and 4 are when Cottonmouth shows up and when the greatest concentration of str related words come into play. If the next day post contains 44 and many str words, please lynch str (after L/ulszz) for me if I am dead. Pleaseeeeeeeee.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:28 GMT
#4964
On April 21 2008 16:14 SoleSteeler wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

True. I know how the game works, and that saying "trust me" doesn't mean shit. I'm going to try and show you guys why I'm such a stretch.

First of all, to be honest, I don't buy that the energy stealing thing is part of Mr. Pink.

Day 1:

""Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans."

First day, Mr. Pink is cautious. Nothing to do with SoleSteeler, or anything relating to me in my profile, etc. (It's early in the game, I know)

Day 2:

"Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia."

This can be interpreted in a few ways. Some have said that it makes him "calm, cool and collected", which is true; but of course, I see no way how that links to me. It's a logical statement of a fact. Maybe unsoundlogic? (Although I might have recalled seeing him on the "confirmed innocent" list.)

"OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground."

What is this gooey substance, and is it even connected to Mr. Pink? How does that connect to me? Sorry, I've tried to keep up with this thread over the past few weeks, but it's hard to find specific info; has anyone figured out what that's supposed to be? Certainly gooey has nothing to do with "sole", which is a fish or the bottom of a shoe, or "steel", which is the opposite of gooey!

"Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live."

This is the main clue against life draining, yes? There is no mention of draining; you lose strength if you're in a fight and you're getting the shit kicked out of you by an "able fighter". It's a slightly weird way to word it, I agree, but it doesn't necessary imply anything about "draining", which would indicate that Mr. Pink is getting stronger, when he is clearly already strong in the first place (able fighter). Nothing like "as Mr. Pink continued to beat OneBlueAugust, he felt his strength rising as OneBlueAugust's got weaker." I just don't see anything about draining. Even then, as I said before, SoleSteeler != Soul Stealer. What about someone like "Energies" who's name is more connected with a life force than mine?

I've also seen the word "incubus" being thrown around. That's a pretty specific demon to pick; Mr. Pink isn't going around seducing women and draining their souls, so I don't get why someone might think that Mr. Pink is an incubus.

Day 3:

"Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you.""

Quiet friend. I suppose I am relatively quiet in the game, but there's many others who would fit the role as someone "quiet" more than I.

Day 4: Mr. Pink doesn't appear (that I can tell)

Ditto Day 5 (?)

Day 6:

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.


So Mr. Pink is fast (caught up to him first). Or at least faster than Mr. Brown. Both mafioso are brutal here, but holding someone down as another smashes his head in with a rock (from a yard decoration, hmm), is again in no way connected to me.

Anyways, I am seriously baffled that anyone would see the "proof" presented against me as "concrete" or "damning" at all. We have one line (that I can tell) that can be interpreted as someone who's life is being "drained", but it's certainly not for sure. When you're getting beat up, you feel your strength leaving you. It's fairly common to see that in creative writing. Anyways, Mr. pink has no mention of fish, steel, or of being a loner too (like the "sole" person), since he's usually with Mr. Brown.

We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.



I honestly agree with you. We don't really have a solid candidate for Pink overall, I feel. I may be disagreed with here by others, but it's what I feel.

I don't think you're in any immediate danger of being lynched, anyway. There are, as you said, many stronger candidates for that before you and we can afford to kill them while waiting to see what new clues come about.

Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 11:41 GMT
#4969
On April 21 2008 20:16 Alethios wrote:
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On April 21 2008 16:28 MTF wrote:
Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p

I have to disagree with you on this point. Many have tried to "convincingly point the finger" at somebody else, but since they're under suspicion their finger pointing generally goes unnoticed.

If SoleSteeler knows he's town, a defense analysing the premises behind his accusation is perfectly valid. Helps us not lynch the wrong person, Saving that precious lynch for somebody else while also not killing another soldier in the fight against the swarm. Thus, defending yourself IS helpful.

Personally, pending further evidence, I believe SS has acquitted himself admirably on this count. He was accused based upon Day/Night clues... and he's shown that the connection between himself and Mr.Pink is tenuous at best.


Least valuable doesn't equal completely invaluable. :p Of course defending himself accurately is valuable, for all the reasons you mentioned. I didn't imply that he shouldn't have done so, as clearing your name by pointing out glaring flaws prevents undue distraction and lets us focus on other targets. I only said it was the least valuable way of clearing your name, not completely unhelpful.

However, pointing us to a new specific target yourself is much better than simply deflecting it from yourself. :p

Defending yourself well is good.

Pointing at someone who is a weaker candidate than you is bad, hence the "convincingly", not just the pointing.

Pointing at someone who is a stronger candidate than you is very good and (as you can see from my own case) quite convincing.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 12:41:51
April 21 2008 12:30 GMT
#4974
On April 21 2008 21:17 Plexa wrote:
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Here's my counter analysis

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<font size='4'>Day 1</font>

I dont think there is any point arguing the Day 1 clue pointed toward Mr Pink - that sentence is rather short and too subject to variation and can be read in a number of different lights so that it applies to a number of people. Hence can be argued supporting my arguement, and solesteelers.
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<font size='4'>Day 2</font>

With that being said lets move onto Day 2, where we start to see some interesting clues about Mr Pink.
Yogurt and OneBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when four men intercepted them. Yogurt and OneBlueAugust saw them and OneBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if one would present itself. Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.

A couple notes about this passage;
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia.
could refer back to the first day post, but it can also refer to the fact death is something that is normal to Mr Pink - because he needs it to survive (my argument)
As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
this could very well refer to the sickie substance on the floor or perhaps it is
OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease
sidewinder throwing up on the floor - i've seen it argued both ways
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.
A mirror of what OneBlueAugust had just done to sidewinder
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt is quite an able fighter - an aspect which is later mirrored in Mr Pink
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter.
Obviously Mr Pink has attain this quality from Yogurt as before he just dealt a single punch - without following it up with blow after blow - but here is the kicker;
Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
OneBlueAugust is tapped of his own life energy - Mr Pink stole it

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<font size='4'>Day 3</font>

Mr Pink was active again the next night, but with substantially less clues
Coincidentally Fishball had been looking for those darts and was turning around the corner just after it happened. He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
While this day is 90% Mr Brown acting, there are a couple key lines for Mr Pink
quiet friend here is Mr. Pink.
Very inetering to note is that on day 1 mr pink spoke, day 2 mr pink said something - but it wasn't explicitly said and today he whispers to Mr Brown
Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
This is a rather peculiar aspect about mr Pink, the question is why would you attack someone begging for mercy in such a manner to let them die in a slow painful death. The key part here imo
they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious
Once again Mr Pink has tapped his life forces and caused him to lose consciousness
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<font size='4'>Day 6</font>

Mr pink took two days off, then came back with avengence last night.

Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.

The first thing which struck me in this clue was
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night.
Which instantly makes me think that Mr Pink is either some kind of animal, or he feasts on humans. This is also the first time that Mr Pink has been introduced before the victim. This is followed up immediately by
They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible.
stalking being defined as
1. A hunt for game carried on by following it stealthily or waiting in ambush
2. The act of following prey stealthily
Which tie nicely in with the idea that Mr Pink is hunting for food
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could
This is the pivotal clue in this day - the fact that BC is dying before he is even struck. Much like the other victims of Mr Pink their life force is leaving them before they die.
but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground.
Mr pink suddenly has acquired the trait of being fast - probably from leeching BC
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<font size='4'>Conclusion</font>
Here are the options;
  • Mr Pink is some sort of animal
  • Mr Pink is some kind of superhuman
  • Or, that he is leeching the life force of his victims (most likely)

No suspects come up under the first two headings, however SoleSteeler comes up under the third and ties in nicely with all the evidence/lists that we have at our disposal.

While our links for Mr Pink are weaker than a number of other suspects, by the time it comes to SoleSteeler being lynched we should have a lot more evidence all ready to examine and judge whether this analysis holds.


This is pretty good analysis, all told. I guess I just needed it more thoroughly spelled out to me. It can all very well be interpreted this way and we have no stronger suspect for Mr. Pink. I don't actually have any rebuttal to any of the points, and I didn't remember to connect newly gained traits to new victims.

Hmm.

When it comes down to it, I agree with both you and SoleSteeler in that we'll know more surely with another set of clues. Until then, I'll put stock in that SoleSteeler is a decently strong suspect, and our current strongest bet for Pink, and we should keep in him in mind when the next set of clues rolls around.


Edit: Haha, 'since I've been active over Mafia the past three days or so and from livereporting for the first time tonight, I jumped from 800 posts to 1,000+. : x

Edit #2: See bleeding foot.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 12:40 GMT
#4978
On April 21 2008 21:37 Plexa wrote:
I really doubt nightmare is Mr Pink
  • Nightmare has nothing to do with Mr Pink at all
  • There is the supervillain Nightmare - but none of his powers/abilities match up with Mr Pink check if you want
  • Profile reads
    Pain makes one suffer.
    Suffering makes one think.
    Thinking makes one wise.
    And Wisdom makes life bearable.
    You could make a case for this i suppose, although there are some serious missing links
  • His profile pic when the game started was a southpark mexican - which doesn't correspond to mr pink at all


Er, I'm tired. I meant SoleSteeler, not Nightmare.

*shoots self in foot*
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 12:48 GMT
#4981
For whatever it amounts to, I'm pretty damn sure Ninja is Mr. Blonde as well.

Along with DamageControl as Mr. Black and ieatkids5 as Mr. White, I'd lynch him without worrying about whether or not red showed up when the night post came. I may be wrong, but I sincerely believe not. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 22 2008 00:14 GMT
#4996
Mafia probably haven't sent in their kills yet.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 22 2008 03:52 GMT
#5006
On April 22 2008 12:42 nemY wrote:
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On April 22 2008 09:14 MTF wrote:
Mafia probably haven't sent in their kills yet.


Inactive mafia FTL?


I can guess at one of a few scenarios to pass the time.

1: The most paranoid suggestion, that Mafia were waiting for L to get in and tell them who he's on tonight.

2: Crazie and/or Blind were the ringleader(s) and now with them gone, Mafia has become a chicken without a head.

3. They're just taking their time.


Personally, number 2 appeals to me the most. : x
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 22 2008 05:06 GMT
#5012
On April 22 2008 13:52 Bockit wrote:
The fact that mafia *haven't sent in a hitlist* makes me think we should be looking at the completely inactive no-vote-no-post people for some mafia.


#1 is actually possible, because the medic "who is protecting who" list went out yesterday while L was gone, so far as I know. Not saying it's the most likely, just that it's possible. :p

As for the quoted part of your post, I agree. But you also need to match clues, as well.

DamageControl as Mr. Black (all credits to Plexa), for instance, is very inactive in the thread, having never posted and never voted (despite posting on other parts of the site) and is personally a strong fit for his clues.

Another pretty inactive person I feel strongly about being mafia is ieatkids5 as Mr. White.

However, depending on what happens come day, L will either definitely be or definitely not be on the lynching agenda. The medic situation demands it, and the clues + situation so far as I've investigated all point to L being the only unconfirmed medic out of the original 8 (only 7 legit) that claimed the role.

Either his innocence is proven tomorrow or we're gunning for him + one other.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 07:35 GMT
#5039
I'M SO CONFUSED

Things I noticed right off the bat:

1, 5, 1, 5, 2, 5, 2, 4, 5, 5, 3, 5, 3, 5, 2, 5, 2, 2 = 63


Number of str words: 6

strange
struggled
street
struggled
strength
struggled

Known definitions of str: 1

strength


WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEANNNN

and,

This is the fourth (maybe third) day in which someone heard a strange sound and went to investigate it.

And what the hell at Mafia targeting patterns. D:
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 07:50 GMT
#5041
On April 23 2008 16:45 Scorch wrote:
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On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
Eddie went down the long list of townspeople and selected a bunch for his mafia to handle. Once his orders were out they got right to work.

Eddie is clearly the mafia boss, I believe he has the saboteur role. Too bad we don't have a very strong candidate for Eddie.


I think the list reference is significant, especially given that it was Eddie's only real direct clue for the night.

The first thought to my mind was Santa sending his elves off to work, but uh...I think we should look at other possibilities. XD

Currently looking through the day post again and making notes, will post in a moment.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 08:10 GMT
#5043
Alright, calming down from my initial mass of confusion...

First up,

On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
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Mr. White was last up that night. He encountered JoxxOr going out for a very early morning jog. He tripped JoxxOr using a wire he hid along the sidewalk and then used it as a choking device. JoxxOr struggled to get free as Mr. White pulled the wire tighter against his throat and suffocated him. It was a cruel death for JoxxOr.



It is very relevant to note that Mr. White shows up last, yet again. He's always last and never engaged in any fighting alone before this, only came in to get the finishing blow. Note that the method he uses here to kill JoxxOr is also a lazy, time-consuming way to kill someone.

I sincerely believe the clues are stacked against ieatkids5 here to be Mr. White.


On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
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Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating.


I think Ulszz is a safe bet for Blue. He is, again, displaying constant incompetence...Though the last bit confuses me. I'm hoping it references a different mafioso.


On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
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useLess was sitting at home just watching TV when he heard a strange sound from outside his window. He went over to investigate and Mr. Orange jumped right through it and almost knocked useLess down as he flew past him. He quickly turned around and had useLess in a headlock. useLess struggled to free him self and stabbed at Mr. Orange with shards of glass. Mr. Orange broke off and flinched in pain. He grabbed a few shards of glass himself and stabbed through useLess's arms with them. Then to finish him off he made long gashes into useLess and left him to bleed to death.


This is the third day (second day in which it was a window) almost this exact phrasing appeared and the fourth time someone was alerted by sounds and then shortly thereafter investigated the source. We know Mr. Orange is connected to sounds.


On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
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Cottonmouth found Klive5ive walking to his friend house down the street and began his attack. He threw one stone at Klive5ive's back to get his attention, then when he had it he threw another two at him. Klive5ive dodged the next two and started picking up the stones to chuck back at Cottonmouth. Unfortunately Cottonmouth already had some more ready, throwing four more stones at Klive5ive. Klive5ive was severely bruised at this point and he struggled to throw back the stones with much strength. Cottonmouth threw three more stones at Klive5ive's right arm and three at his left arm in effort to disable him. With Klive5ive unable to defend himself Cottonmouth took two last stones and smashed them into Klive5ive's skull.


Cottonmouth is still irrefutably connected to numbers. I thought the magic number was 44, but today came up 63, so apparently not. I will be reinspecting this post and other day posts shortly.


On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
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G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.


This is the second time Mr. Blonde has shot someone charging at him. I still believe this is Ninja4ever.


I'm off to go sift through the Cottonmouth numbers again. I was hoping soooo badly that I had him pegged, but...
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 08:50 GMT
#5045
On April 23 2008 17:47 Scorch wrote:
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On April 23 2008 17:10 MTF wrote:
On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:
Cottonmouth found Klive5ive walking to his friend house down the street and began his attack. He threw one stone at Klive5ive's back to get his attention, then when he had it he threw another two at him. Klive5ive dodged the next two and started picking up the stones to chuck back at Cottonmouth. Unfortunately Cottonmouth already had some more ready, throwing four more stones at Klive5ive. Klive5ive was severely bruised at this point and he struggled to throw back the stones with much strength. Cottonmouth threw three more stones at Klive5ive's right arm and three at his left arm in effort to disable him. With Klive5ive unable to defend himself Cottonmouth took two last stones and smashed them into Klive5ive's skull.


Cottonmouth is still irrefutably connected to numbers. I thought the magic number was 44, but today came up 63, so apparently not. I will be reinspecting this post and other day posts shortly.

How do you get to 63? If I add the explicit numbers (bolded in the quote, I hope I didn't overlook anything), they add up to 57.
Is infinity21 confirmed innocent? His name would relate perfectly to a number theme.


I added the entire day post like I did with Day 2 and Day 4 to come to 44 on both days.

In case you're curious about what Day 2 and Day 4 look like when only adding Cottonmouth's paragraph:

Day 2:

2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3 = 19


Day 4:

1, 4, 5, 6, 1, 4, 1, 4, 3, 1, 4, 1, 4 = 39

Or just 14 if you remove the numbers from New104's name.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 09:49:41
April 23 2008 09:47 GMT
#5046
In a desperate attempt to find some common link, I'm attributing the lowest number value I can to words like several and group, which is two. Few is only defined as a "indeterminately small number" whilst I did not count "another" last time around; I will this time.

Day 1:
+ Show Spoiler +

8, 2, 1, 1, 1 = 13 or 15 + few1

few = few1

group = 2



Day 2:
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grouped = 2

few, few = few2

another, another, another = 3

44 + 2 + 3 + few1 = 49 + few2


Or just paragraph:

grouped = 2

another = 1

19 + 2 + 1 = 22



Day 3:
+ Show Spoiler +

2, 3, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 4, 1, 1 = 22 OR 25 + few1 OR 26 + few1

ones = 1?

few = few1

couple = 2

another = 1



Day 4:
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couple = 2

another, another = 2

44 + 2 + 2 = 48


Or just paragraph:

another = 1

39 + 1 = 40 OR 14 + 1 = 15



Day 5:
+ Show Spoiler +

1, 1, 1 = 3 OR 16 + few2

couple, couple, couple = 6

few, few = few2

another, another, another = 3

group, group = 4



Day 6:
+ Show Spoiler +

1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 1/2 = 45/46 OR 50/51

several = 2

couple = 2

another = 1



Day 7:
+ Show Spoiler +

several = 2

few = few1

another, another = 2

63 + 2 + 2 + few1 = 67 + few1


Or just paragraph:

another = 1

57 + 1 = 58 OR 17 + 1 = 18


I don't know...I just don't know what to make of it. Maybe I'm just interpreting the numbers wrong. I just don't know.

For now, I'd say we stick to the plan and lynch L/Ulszz and build up from after the results of that come. It goes without saying that we should still be trying to interpret the clues, but I don't think our course of action needs any changing just yet.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 10:13 GMT
#5049
On April 23 2008 19:05 qrs wrote:
MTF, for God's sake, stop adding up the stupid numbers! It was unconvincing from the start, and it's only getting more and more strained.

The only numbers we care about are the weapons Cottonmouth uses. Haven't you noticed that there are always 15?

edit: I assume that the two that klive dodged were the same two that Cottonmouth threw and I count the five nails lying on the ground.


>.>
<.<

You're right. I had never noticed that.

i'll go sit in the dunce corner now
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 10:17 GMT
#5050
On April 23 2008 19:05 qrs wrote:
edit: It's not %100 clear. I assume that the two that klive dodged were the same two that Cottonmouth threw and I count the five nails lying on the ground but I don't count the nail that the Wolf took from Cottonmouth.


I think you're right to assume that the two Klive dodged are the same two Cottonmouth threw. It makes sense in terms of following events, even though it's a little awkward.

Also, not counting the one that the Wolf used would be another good call in my view, as that one isn't used by Cottonmouth himself in any way, whilst the original five are used by Cottonmouth as a sort of trap.

In any case, thanks for rattling my cage about the numbers. XD
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 23 2008 21:02 GMT
#5063
On April 24 2008 04:10 qrs wrote:
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On April 23 2008 21:12 Plexa wrote:
Todays Lynching

L and ulszz unless anyone has any objections (L we don't care about yours)

I have a slight objection to lynching L unless we have no other good suspects. Reason: 1) There's still the possibility that he's a medic and 2) even if he isn't, we can still use him as one to a degree. E.g. if we want to keep Plexa alive (or someone else--no one too important, though), just keep telling L to protect him. Either L lets him die and we lynch L then, or he lives.


I kinda agree with qrs here. If L is mafia, then mafia will continue avoiding hitting whoever he's on for fear of proving he is. If L isn't mafia, we give him further chance to prove this as fact.

Needless to say, I'm not 100% on L being mafia. With different things coming into view, my opinion on this keeps swaying back and forth. I don't feel completely right lynching L at this point.

However...None of the candidates I'd suggest to replace him (DamageControl, ieatkids5, Ninja4ever) would take as much/have as strong a case as the majority think. So, I'll keep my vote as it is, though I'm not sure if we'll see two reds or a red and a blue when night comes.
Think. :)
MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-25 10:50:00
April 25 2008 09:32 GMT
#5104
On April 25 2008 16:50 nemY wrote:
-He might already be cleared by "X" list... (damn near impossible to search for the lists etc... hopefully someone can help me out here)
.


Fusion has them all in his blog; I've stolen the ones with Mafia still in them and put them in mine as well.

As for your suspect...It's about as strong as a link as I could tie to Unforgiven. But, I don't really feel that strongly that either of them is a good candidate for Joe. At the moment, I don't believe we really have one. Initiative is appreciated, though.

As for the lists...

Detective Lists:
      + Show Spoiler [Mandalor - 58 votes] +

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=123#2448


01-ShaLLoW[baY]
02-SoMuchBetter
03-Eti307
05-Caller { Bodyguard }
06-clazziquai
11-ieatkids5
15-Hittegods { Detective }
17-randombum { Pardoner }
21-Alethios
23-Falcynn
25-Empyrean { Detective }
26-Fishball { Bodyguard }
27-nemY
28-ZBiR
30-JeeJee
31-Energies
34-RtS)Night[Mare
36-Unforgiven_ve
39-Romance_us
42-SonuvBob
43-NatsuTerran
48-qrs
49-GranDim
50-Artanis[Xp]
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM
53-Ace { Mayor }
56-Camlito
58-Lysithea
59-fanatacist
60-SoleSteeler
61-French_Toast
67-0cz3c
68-New104 { Detective }
69-LucasWoJ { Paramedic }
71-GeneralStan
75-bumatlarge
77-BloodyC0bbler { Vigilante }
78-BWdero
80-Siefu
82-Ninja4ever.
85-ahrara_
87-Pangolin
88-Naib
89-butidigress
90-~OpZ~
91-Scorch
92-Jimtudor
94-unsoundlogic
97-suresh0t
98-decafchicken { Jack }
103-SpiritoftheTuna
109-MidnightGladius
114-zeks
116-Last Romantic
118-Plexa
122-Showtime!
124-Lenwe { Bodyguard }
125-Kau
127-L


Out of these 58 36 (not counting confirmed/dead) people, 9 of them are Mafia.


      + Show Spoiler [Showtime! - 8 votes] +


* denotes being on the Mandalor list as well.

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-*nemY(2)
34-*RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-*qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-*iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-*ahrara_(2)

Out of these 7 people, 1 of them is Mafia. Note that those in the Mandalor list as well have a much more significant chance statistically of being Mafia than those who are not.



Confirmed Innocents by Lists:
      + Show Spoiler +

14-imDerek
24-Alventenie
45. smurfingchobo
46-aZnvaLiaNce
49. GranDim
54. MTF
66-fusionsdf
90-~OpZ~
94. unsoundlogic
115-useLess


Summation: 13 Mafia are left, 9 (more likely) or 10 of which are in lists. 70 townies left alive, 7 of which are still alive and confirmed townies by lists.


Those Not Confirmed Innocent:
+ Show Spoiler +

1. ShaLLoW[baY]
2. SoMuchBetter
3. Eti307
4. HotZhot
6. clazziquai
7. Dr.Dragoon
8. CDRdude
9. So no fek
10. Fen
11. ieatkids5
12. Wizard
16. Puosu
17. randombum (Pardoner)
21. Alethios
22. infinity21
24. Alventenie
27. nemY
28. ZBiR
29. SiZ.FaNtAsY
31. Energies
33. Amber[LighT]
34. RtS)Night[Mare
35. Vharox
36. Unforgiven_ve
37. fgsvsd
38. KF91
39. Romance_us
40. MasterOfChaos
41. LTT
42. SonuvBob
43. NatsuTerran
44. str
47. Kuja900
48. qrs
50. Artanis[Xp]
51. araav
52. iNfuNdiBuLuM
57. LoStYouRSkiLLS
58. Lysithea
59. fanatacist
60. SoleSteeler
63. HeRoS)Pink
64. KorvspaD
67. 0cz3c
70. Bockit
71. GeneralStan
72. Ziel
73. Hollander
74. Supah
76. jtan
78. BWdero
79. AcrossFiveJulys
82. Ninja4ever.
85. ahrara_
87. Pangolin
88. Naib
89. butidigress
91. Scorch
92. Jimtudor
93. spoinka
97. suresh0t
99. DamageControL
100. omfghi2u2
101. RowdierBob
103. SpiritoftheTuna
104. AmorVincitOmnia
105. Wysp
106. BuGzlToOnl
107. GrayArea
113. DTDominion
114. zeks
116. Last Romantic
130. rpf


Of those suspects we have that are not in the Mandalor list, I only feel strongly about lynching one, being DamageControl. However, lynching him at this stage would be unwise, as killing him only eliminates one of four possible left hiding in a pool of 70+, whereas getting a Mafia or even a townie from the other lists brings our chances of finding another Mafia up more.

So, next day phase, I propose the lynching of any of the following:

Clazziquai - Has been a suspect for awhile, and would be the third or fourth mafia to tie into randombum if he does turn up red.
0cz3c - Same as above.
ieatkids5 - Strongly feel that he is Mr. White.
Ninja4ever. - Strongly feel that he is Mr. Blonde.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 09:36 GMT
#5105
On April 25 2008 18:13 Scorch wrote:
Now with L gone, the remaining power roles are probably legit. So far, so good.

If ulszz was innocent, we need a new candidate for Mr.Blue. I found the "noob" route quite convincing, but apparently it wasn't. One of the reasons we killed ulszz so soon was because he was on this list of people (1 mafia among them):
ulszz
araav <--- proved innocent by a detective after the "hacking" incident. Could Ace confirm?
rts)night[mare
infundibilum
ahrara
qrs
nemy
Now who of these could be the bad guy? We have some evidence against NemY and NightMare, but nothing strong. Should we concentrate on other suspects for now?


If we can come up with someone strong on that list, we should definitely gun for them. Most of them are also on the Mandalor list as well, so taking them out not only gives us more confirmed innocents (many of which are, again, on the Mandalor list), but removes another Mafia from the Mandalor list as well.

O, and I'd just like to say...Well played, L. You had me running circles there near the end! I think I was the only person among us cluefinders who wasn't entirely convinced of your guilt anymore after you posted about Light, but hey, getting one of us addled is better than any of the other Mafia ever did. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 10:27 GMT
#5107
On April 25 2008 19:21 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2008 18:13 Scorch wrote:
Now with L gone, the remaining power roles are probably legit. So far, so good.

If ulszz was innocent, we need a new candidate for Mr.Blue. I found the "noob" route quite convincing, but apparently it wasn't. One of the reasons we killed ulszz so soon was because he was on this list of people (1 mafia among them):
ulszz
araav <--- proved innocent by a detective after the "hacking" incident. Could Ace confirm?
rts)night[mare
infundibilum
ahrara
qrs
nemy
Now who of these could be the bad guy? We have some evidence against NemY and NightMare, but nothing strong. Should we concentrate on other suspects for now?


lol i remember someone saying your mr.blue because your song is a RATM song about chainsaws.

:D


Not quite what I said... >.>

But for what it's worth, I really don't think Scorch is mafia. :p

As an aside, even though I know he probably wants to murder me (: x) for putting him back out there again, I think nemY is our strongest suspect from the Showtime! list. Until we get stronger clues linking to him or someone else in the list, I think we should focus on those we suspect inside the Mandalor list, though.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-25 11:21:11
April 25 2008 11:20 GMT
#5110
Known Mafia Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


L:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu
Day 6: Nemy (for giggles)


Crazie-Penguin:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Abstain
Day 3: Abstain
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L, died during this vote.


BlindAlbino:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu


Mandalor:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Abstain, died during this vote.


Queasy:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive:

Mayoral vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Died this cycle.



Known Mafia Total:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 4
Ace - 1
Last Romantic - 1
No vote - 1

Day 2:
Abstain or no vote - 4
Mandalor - 1 (9 others for sure)
Ghar - 1
str - 1

Day 3:
Abstain or no vote - 2
Wurm - 1
Ace - 1
Bumatlarge - 1
str - 1

Day 4:
Abstain or no vote - 4
TranceStorm - 1
araav - 1

Day 5:
No vote - 2
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 2

Day 6:
L - 1
Nemy - 1


Just wanted to renew this with L's info.

If Clazzi/0cz3c come up Mafia, I think we need to look realllly hard in Randombum's direction.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 11:24 GMT
#5111
Voting patterns of the four I listed as prime suspects for lynching:

Ninja4ever.:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


0cz3c:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Clazziquai:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L


ieatkids5:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-25 12:30:41
April 25 2008 12:23 GMT
#5114
O, haha, I just realized I could do this. Alright, the following is a list of people who did not vote on Mandalor on Day 2, are not confirmed innocent, and are still living.


People Not On Mandalor List:
+ Show Spoiler +

HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
Fen
Wizard
imDerek
Puosu
infinity21
Alventenie
SiZ.Fantasy
Amber[Light]
Vharox
fgsvsd
KF91
MasterOfChaos
LTT
str
Kuja900
araav
More_Minerals
LostYourSkills
Heros)Pink
Korvspad
Bockit
Ziel
Hollander
Supah
jtan
AcrossFiveJulys
Spoinka
DamageControl
omfghi2u2
RowdierBob
AmorVincitOmnia
Wysp
Bugzltoonl
GrayArea
DTDominion
rpf


Total: 40 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia.


So, rough odds of hitting Mafia by list (I hate math, so no dead-on percentages here):

Mandalor List:

36 suspects, 9 mafia = 1/4 ratio


Showtime! List:

7 suspects, 1 mafia = 1/7 ratio

*Personal note: I feel it is unlikely araav or CDRdude are mafia due to all the other suspects also being on the Mandalor list. Taking this into account, I feel the ratio is really 1/5.


Others:

40 suspects, 3 or 4 mafia = Close to 1/13 ratio or 1/10 ratio.


Edit: Overlooked one person for the Others list.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 12:36 GMT
#5115
As a general side-note, we now have EVERYBODY who is playing and isn't dead/innocent in a list, whether Mandalor, Showtime!, or Non-Mandalor.

This means, no matter who Mafia kills from now on, they up our chances of finding them systematically.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 12:47 GMT
#5117
On April 25 2008 21:44 Bockit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2008 21:36 MTF wrote:
As a general side-note, we now have EVERYBODY who is playing and isn't dead/innocent in a list, whether Mandalor, Showtime!, or Non-Mandalor.

This means, no matter who Mafia kills from now on, they up our chances of finding them systematically.


Heh.. I hate to burst your bubble but that is something that happens regardless of lists

ie. with mafia killing people, they increase the % of townies that are mafia, because more innocents are dying than mafia.

That aside, I'm loving the work you guys are putting in


O, I'm well aware. :p

It's just now it's all concentrated into three separate pools, so mafia vs innocents ratio doesn't just rise: it rises in specific places no matter where they strike.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 25 2008 13:12 GMT
#5120
On April 25 2008 22:07 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2008 19:27 MTF wrote:
But for what it's worth, I really don't think Scorch is mafia. :p

Ha! There we have it! :D

Do you guys agree that Eddie, as the mafia's leader, has the saboteur rule? If so, is it worth taking risks in lynching Eddie suspects vs lynching relatively certain vanilla mafia candidates?


I'm more inclined to believe that it is random. That may be a wrong, but 'since we don't know for sure, I don't think it'd be a good idea for us to gun for a specific character when we have stronger suspects.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 26 2008 00:10 GMT
#5126
On April 26 2008 09:05 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Most mafia have voted for Randombum hmm...

oh btw, i cant find the post but from the ghar list i think it was 1/7~ 5 of them are already dead, so its down to nemy and me. Let me find the post


Not the Ghar list, but the Showtime! list:

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-*nemY
34-*RtS)Night[Mare
48-*qrs
51-araav
52-*iNfuNdiBuLuM
85-*ahrara_

1 Mafia among those. Those (including you) with stars also appear on the Mandalor list.

Ghar list cleared imDerek, Alventenie, and useless. Evilmonkey was the mafia from that.

For quick reference to the DT lists: Fusion's blog post.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 26 2008 00:50 GMT
#5129
On April 26 2008 09:20 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
So we need to link one of us to a clue. Any lead on who of that list might have some dirt on them? (besides me being mr pink)


I have no suspicions of anyone on that list besides yourself and nemY. Personally, I feel nemY is a stronger suspect, though most others didn't seem to agree with me on that last round. Whatever the case, unless we find strong ties to one of you/someone else in the list, I think the Showtime! list will be left alone for the moment.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-26 22:05:34
April 26 2008 19:04 GMT
#5133
On April 27 2008 01:08 nemY wrote:
Can someone put up a list of dead mafia aliases or at least what we expect are the dead mafia aliases?


Mandalor = Snake Charmer, confirmed by Snake Charmer being the only character not to show up after Mandalor's death.

d.arkive = Taipan Snake, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Taipan not showing up 'since d.arkive's death.

Queasy = Sidewinder, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Sidewinder not showing up after Queasy's death.

BlindAlbino = Black Mamba, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Black Mamba not showing up after BlindAlbino's death.

Evilmonkey = Mr. Red, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him and Mr. Red not showing up after Evilmonkey's death.

Crazie-Penguin = King Mountain Snake, confirmed by clues matching strongly to him.

L = Enigma, very likely, by clues alone.


This leaves Eddie, Joe, Mr. White, Mr. Black, Mr. Pink, Mr. Orange, Mr. Blue, Mr. Brown, Mr. Blonde, California Mountain Snake, The Wolf, Copperhead, and Cottonmouth.

Of those, I think we/I know for sure who three of them are:

White = ieatkids5 (Seems that I'm the only one who thinks so at this point, though.)
Black = DamageControl (Due to clues/inactivity here while being active elsewhere in the site)
Blonde = Ninja4ever. (Due to clues.)

And am fairly sold on three others:

Mr. Orange = Clazziquai (Clues, general inactivity here whilst being active elsewhere)
Copperhead = 0cz3c (Clues.)
The Wolf = suresh0t (Clues.)
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 27 2008 08:40 GMT
#5150
On April 27 2008 17:32 Plexa wrote:
also note that qrs has been resistant to Ace/Town since Day 0 and generally annoying to everyone involved. Although he did set MTF straight when MTF couldn't add


Indeed. : x

Just for that, I'm fairly sure he's innocent. Cleared up suspicions of MasterOfChaos that I had the first time around, and then showed me where the numbers were truly adding up instead of where I was looking for them the second time around.

I have no real comments on the rest. I would like to know what ahara_'s quote means, too. I've never been able to interpret it in any good way.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
April 27 2008 08:50 GMT
#5154
Random notes about things as I go through the lists:

I've noted this one before, but figured I should put it out there now, 'since it's all over the place:

Note #1:

- Someone seems to have a link to people dying slowly by bleeding to death. These four quotes all come from different Mafia killings. Perhaps we should look into something that kills/is killed by bleeding things out.

Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.


NeaX didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.


and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.


Then to finish him off he made long gashes into useLess and left him to bleed to death.



Note about California Mountain Snake:

- He is related to something clean/cleanliness. This appears both times he has shown up, and though it may just be metaphors about sharpness appearing twice, I believe that Chuiu is a good deal more cautious than that. I mean, just look at Crazie-Penguins' subtle slapped and maddened references.

He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess,


Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
April 29 2008 06:24 GMT
#5177
On April 29 2008 04:53 Ace wrote:
agreed. Lynch Sureshot next.


I fully support this, provided that Day (whenever Mafia kindly decides to get into gear again) doesn't provide us strong evidence against one of the people on the Showtime! list or points to somene not suresh0t.

Any theories on why Mafia are taking multiple days to get together a simple list again? I'm vainly starting to believe that they may be giving up at this point, seeing so much stacked against them.


On April 29 2008 14:12 Alethios wrote:
So a pardoner must 'pre-pardon' so to speak? Conceivably then the pardoner could pardoner somebody who doesn't end up with the most votes?

Interesting...


I think it's "can" rather than "must". Can pardon someone without ever looking at the voting thread, but could also wait all the way up to a few hours after voting is closed, which is why Chuiu always waits a few hours to write it up, probably: for the pardoner's sake.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-29 06:46:41
April 29 2008 06:44 GMT
#5179
On April 29 2008 15:30 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2008 15:24 MTF wrote:
On April 29 2008 04:53 Ace wrote:
agreed. Lynch Sureshot next.


I fully support this, provided that Day (whenever Mafia kindly decides to get into gear again) doesn't provide us strong evidence against one of the people on the Showtime! list or points to somene not suresh0t.
I disagree, im not convinced of sureshot unless the day post point conclusively to him.. i would much rather explore DamageControl


I'm fairly convinced of suresh0t (plus he's in Mandalor, which is pretty much 25% chance of being right by just guessing at this point), but I would also fully support DamageControl being put to the gallows.

Something to note: No matter who we kill tomorrow, if we hit Mafia or not, and Ace is roleblocked, we can not bring down their killing power. As such, seeing as we only have one vote, it may be wiser to target a suspect from the Mandalor list (1/4 Mafia) instead of someone in the Non-Mandalor list (1/10-1/13). Because even if we miss and suresh0t turns up green, we further tighten the noose around those in the Mandalor list.

Even so, I'd support DamageControl being lynched, seeing as I've repeatedly said I believe your interpretation was very strong, just as I'd support suresh0t. Both of them are Mafia in my eyes, but I'm more strongly inclined by DamageControl's clues and yet swayed also by suresh0t's position in the lists.

I'll pick more decisively which of the two (or someone completely new) when Day comes.
Think. :)
MTF
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Last Edited: 2008-04-29 08:52:37
April 29 2008 08:51 GMT
#5187
On April 29 2008 17:32 Ace wrote:
What was the evidence against ieatkids5 again? I think he was another sound suspect.


ieatkids5 as Mr. White:
+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +

His quote reads, "Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." All scenes in which Mr. White is active, he shows up last in. This is more particularly noted in Day 2 and Day 7 than in Day 4. As well as being the last to show up, he has only once engaged in a fight directly. All other times he only shows up at the end to make the finishing blow. I believe this is a strong connection. There are numerous possible references to Mr. White being lazy as well.



If we're sticking to those suspects specifically, I'm split between Clazziquai and ieatkids5, with Ninja and suresh0t trailing a short bit behind them.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 29 2008 10:41 GMT
#5189
I'm really not sure of SoMuchBetter being Mafia. I think his inactivity is more explained by him not getting Mayor and Ghar, who he apparently knows in real life and tried to defend despite town being dead-set on lynching him (a big thing I don't see a Mafia doing so early in the game, trying to save a seemingly 100% guilty townie), getting taken out.
Think. :)
MTF
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United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-30 04:12:24
April 30 2008 04:10 GMT
#5202
I don't really have time for clue analysis right now, but I'll update lists:

Lists:

Mandalor List: - 3 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +

01-ShaLLoW[baY]
02-SoMuchBetter
03-Eti307
06-clazziquai
11-ieatkids5
17-randombum { Pardoner }
21-Alethios
27-nemY
28-ZBiR
31-Energies
34-RtS)Night[Mare
36-Unforgiven_ve
39-Romance_us
42-SonuvBob
43-NatsuTerran
48-qrs
50-Artanis[Xp]
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM
56-Camlito
58-Lysithea
59-fanatacist
60-SoleSteeler
67-0cz3c
71-GeneralStan
78-BWdero
82-Ninja4ever.
85-ahrara_
87-Pangolin
89-butidigress
91-Scorch
92-Jimtudor
97-suresh0t
103-SpiritoftheTuna


Total: 33 people, 9 Mafia.



Showtime! List: - 0 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +


8-CDRdude
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)

Total: 7 people, 1 Mafia.



People Not On Mandalor List: - 2 killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +

HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
Fen
Wizard
imDerek
Puosu
infinity21
Alventenie
SiZ.Fantasy
Amber[Light]
Vharox
fgsvsd
KF91
MasterOfChaos
LTT
str
Kuja900
araav
More_Minerals
LostYourSkills
Heros)Pink
Korvspad
Bockit
Ziel
Hollander
Supah
jtan
Spoinka
DamageControl
omfghi2u2
RowdierBob
AmorVincitOmnia
Wysp
Bugzltoonl
DTDominion
rpf

Total: 38 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia.



Don't understand why they didn't take all of their kills from the Non-Mandalor list - it makes no logical sense, but I'm not gonna complain.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-30 08:01:18
April 30 2008 07:18 GMT
#5206
Alright, some loose conclusions and random notes.


Random Notes:

The following phrase is previously recurring: (quoted portions are those added today)

+ Show Spoiler [Chance] +

chances weren't good.
he took his chances with
Unfortunately Mynocks
fortunately they
a lucky kick
Unfortunately Dinmsab had
Coincidentally Fishball
Unfortunately for Joe


Mafia Present for Each Day Phrase Appears - Eddie




New repeating phrase:

+ Show Spoiler [Charade] +

ended the charade

end his charades

Mafia Present for Each Day Phrase Appears - Black, Eddie, Pink, Brown, Joe




Joe:

- Possibly connected to confusion. The following quotes only appear around Joe.

He was confused in his response


He was quite confused as he saw



Evidence to Support Unforgiven Possibly Being Joe:

- All links are being drawn from Unforgiven's profile picture.
- Joe is generally supportive and gives a thumbs up.
- Joe is smiling in the last Day post
- Joe may be short. See:

he ran over and jumped onto the top of the car causing a huge indentation. Naib got out of his car as fast as he could to see Joe standing up. Joe then kicked Naib in the face, being in the perfect spot to do so


Also note that Joe needed help getting Queasy into his car and that Chuiu did not specify where aznvaliance was grabbed when Joe grabbed him from behind.


Mr. Brown:

- Mr.Brown is still hanging out with Mr. Pink - has yet to show up on his own, ever.
- May be connected to music.

humming a little tune to get his mind off the violence.


People With Musical Ties:
+ Show Spoiler +

Shallow[Bay] - Breaking Benjamin song.
CDRdude - CDR is an acronym for conductor.
Bugzltoonl - Has a Jimi Hendrix quote.
AmorVincitOmnia - Has lyrics to a song and three women from a musical group for a profile picture. (So far as I can tell)
RowdierBob - Life is Pain is a song by Leftover Crack.
suresh0t - Lyrics in profile are from the song Rise Up!!
Scorch - Lyrics in profile are from the song Know Your Enemy.
jtan - Quote is the title of a song.
Ziel - Quote is the title of a song.
nemY - Lyrics in profile are from the song Stone.
Clazziquai - Korean band.



Mr. Pink:

I think everyone who was pointing at Nightmare may have been correct. See:

Zeks put up a bit of a fight as he took on Mr. Pink, but Mr. Pink was determined to make him feel some pain. He finally got him into a corner and pulled out a can and a lighter. Mr. Pink emptied the contents of the can onto Zeks and lit him on fire. Zeks tried to put the fire out by rolling on the ground but it kept burning. He was about to get up and pull off his clothes but Mr. Pink decided he had suffered enough and knocked Zeks unconscious and let him burn to death.


Pain makes one suffer.
Suffering makes one think.
Thinking makes one wise.
And Wisdom makes life bearable.

Summation: Pink wants to cause pain and does so. Zeks feels pain and tries to put out the fire, but fails and thus suffers. He then comes to the conclusion after such suffering (thinking -> wisdom) to take off his clothing to stop the burning, which might be construed as making life bearable. Pink judges he's had enough suffering and knocks him unconscious.

His posting record seems fairly pro-town with some analysis here and there, but then again, that's exactly how I'd describe L's posts.


Mr. Black:

- Mr. Black again attacks with a knife and has the specific word "drove" attached to him for the second time.
- Mr. Black seems to be stopping/cutting things off.

Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door

GrayArea had no escape at this point
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 30 2008 21:39 GMT
#5216
Hmm. I don't know if I agree that it's who we should be lynching today, though I agree in general with lynching these two people. I feel we'll get a mafia for sure in ieatkids5, and while I'm not 100% on LostYourSkills, I'm willing to take the chance that he is.

I'd suggest DamageControl and Nightmare to replace, but we can target them in coming days and I suppose it gives us more time to make their cases more concrete.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-02 02:30:54
May 02 2008 02:30 GMT
#5227
On May 02 2008 10:26 Chuiu wrote:
Moving to night tomorrow night after another vote count. The activity of this game fails, I might just decide to start killing off people on both sides.


A way to approach this problem fairly is, after next vote, you take 6 (or 5 if we hit two Mafia tomorrow) non-voting townies and kill them off and one non-voting mafia. That way townies don't get more of their numbers killed off by ratio than Mafia.

I think it's a good idea to enforce the rule of voting (not voting once or twice should be ok, but not voting ever/a lot there is no excuse for) for both Mafia and townies, but if you're gonna start killing people off, I think it should definitely be by Mafia's current killing power to keep ratios fair.

Just putting it out there. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 02 2008 02:46 GMT
#5229
On May 02 2008 11:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
MTF is encouraging townie deaths. He's Mafia, get 'im boys!


Shit, you saw right through me. D:
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 02 2008 05:46 GMT
#5232
Okay, I PMed every single person who had yet to vote today this:
+ Show Spoiler +

Subject: Mafia

I'm mass PMing here, so no thoughts of targeting.

Chuiu has recently brought up the possibility of starting to kill of those who aren't being active (aka, at least voting) so I'm PMing all those who have yet to vote as a sort of notice.

So, if you don't want randomly offed, mafia or not:

Current Vote Thread


If they even check TL tomorrow/over the next few days for the next voting phase, there's really no excuse for anybody. Please, please seriously consider killing off inactives for both sides, Chuiu. It'd streamline the game and you wouldn't have to write clues about the mafia who aren't even contributing.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-02 06:26:33
May 02 2008 06:25 GMT
#5234
On May 02 2008 15:10 Hollander wrote:
You know, everytime you PM-spam a forum, a 14 yo tugs it.. And when someone tugs it, God kills a kitten, which means MTF just killed lots and lots of kittens
+ Show Spoiler +

Kittens like Moo.


Kill MTF for killing kittens!


But hey, it got you to vote, didn't it?

Those kittens shall be remembered as martyrs for their bravery under God-fire, which surely justifies their inescapable doom.

O, and Moo had the goatee of Satan. It was just a matter of time for him anyway.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 02 2008 08:55 GMT
#5236
"Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now."


In both of the following, Mr. White is not involved in the fighting at all until the quoted portion.

He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.


But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.



Then, even ignoring that he attacked only during the killing blow for those two:

Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.


Mr. White was last up that night.



And finally, the following might further indicate laziness.

"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.


(Note: Not directly attached to any specific Mafia.) Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory.





All told, I feel we have a stronger suspect in DamageControl, and more to possibly gain from taking a stab at someone from the Showtime! list. Out of the two we're lynching today, though? I think ieatkids5 is going to turn up red and LYS might. I'm hoping they both do, needless to say, but I'm personally (and I know I'm not agreed with universally) more convinced of ieatkids than of LYS.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 02 2008 09:27 GMT
#5238
On May 02 2008 18:23 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2008 10:25 Chuiu wrote:
Vote Count:

Alethios
MoRe_mInErAls

KorvspaD
MoRe_mInErAls(2)

This is strange. I don't think Alethios or KorvspaD were mentioned in any serious evidence analysis. Why would MoRe_mInErAls vote for them? Though I have no particular evidence against More_Minerals, I think it's at least worth noting his... uhm ... alternative views on who to vote for.


He does have a rather odd voting record! It's worth looking into.

But, I dunno. L tried kind of hard to put him up for lynching before he started accusing Amber[Light], and his little mission against More_Minerals started before he was even put up as a suspect. That coupled with the fact that there really haven't been any clues towards him leads me to believe he's probably innocent. We should still keep odd voting records in mind, though.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 06:49 GMT
#5244
Like, I totally called it.

Well, at least that checks off Mr. White.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 08:24:01
May 03 2008 07:04 GMT
#5245
Updated lists. Voting records revamped and updated in later post.

Lists:

Mandalor List:
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01-ShaLLoW[baY]
02-SoMuchBetter
03-Eti307
06-clazziquai
17-randombum { Pardoner }
21-Alethios
27-nemY
28-ZBiR
31-Energies
34-RtS)Night[Mare
36-Unforgiven_ve
39-Romance_us
42-SonuvBob
43-NatsuTerran
48-qrs
50-Artanis[Xp]
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM
56-Camlito
58-Lysithea
59-fanatacist
60-SoleSteeler
67-0cz3c
71-GeneralStan
78-BWdero
82-Ninja4ever.
85-ahrara_
87-Pangolin
89-butidigress
91-Scorch
92-Jimtudor
97-suresh0t
103-SpiritoftheTuna


Total: 32 people, 8 Mafia. Ratio is an even 1/4.



People Not On Mandalor List:
+ Show Spoiler +

HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
Fen
Wizard
imDerek
Puosu
infinity21
Alventenie
SiZ.Fantasy
Amber[Light]
Vharox
fgsvsd
KF91
MasterOfChaos
LTT
str
Kuja900
araav
More_Minerals
LostYourSkills
Heros)Pink
Korvspad
Bockit
Ziel
Hollander
Supah
jtan
Spoinka
DamageControl
omfghi2u2
RowdierBob
AmorVincitOmnia
Wysp
Bugzltoonl
DTDominion
rpf

Total: 37 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia. Ratio is a dismal 1/12 or nearly 1/9.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 08:24:21
May 03 2008 07:10 GMT
#5247
Edit: Added to later post.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 08:23 GMT
#5250
On May 03 2008 17:00 Alethios wrote:
MTF called the twilight results. Could it be because he already knew?


Yes. I am an all-seeing seer who saw with seasoned sights the suspects.

Sorry, just read a blog thread about tongue-twisters.

Anyway, gonna edit out all but the lists from what I posted above into a more complete version lower.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 11:38:59
May 03 2008 08:25 GMT
#5251
Voting records revamped and updated, alongside new conclusions in regards to known mafia voting patterns. Remember, I'm only counting no vote/abstain votes for those who still voted at least once after the Mayoral election.

Known Mafia Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


ieatkids5/Mr. White:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin


L/Enigma:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu
Day 6: Nemy (for giggles)


Crazie-Penguin/King Mountain Snake:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Abstain
Day 3: Abstain
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L, died during this vote.


BlindAlbino/Black Mamba:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: str
Day 3: str and Energies
Day 4: araav
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu


Mandalor/Sword Charmer:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Abstain, died during this vote.


Queasy/Sidewinder:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive/Taipan Snake:

Mayoral vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey/Mr. Red:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Died this cycle.



Known Mafia Total:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 4
Ace - 1
Last Romantic - 1
No vote - 1

Day 2:
Abstain or no vote - 4
Mandalor - 2 (8 others for sure)
Ghar - 1
str - 1

Day 3:
Abstain or no vote - 2
Ghar - 1
Wurm - 1
Ace - 1
Bumatlarge - 1
str - 1
Energies - 1

Day 4:
Abstain or no vote - 5
araav - 1
TranceStorm - 1

Day 5:
No vote - 2
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 3

Day 6:
L - 1
Nemy - 1
Crazie-Penguin - 1



Major Suspect Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +



suresh0t:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: L and Ulszz
Day 8: No vote.


Ninja4ever.:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: Abstain.


0cz3c:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


Clazziquai:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L
Day 7: L, no second vote.
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5


nemY:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Showtime!
Day 4: No vote, seemed to miss the count.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.
Day 6: L
Day 7: L and Ulszz
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5


Ziel:

Mayoral vote: Ghar
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


Spoinka:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


jtan:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


DamageControl:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


Dr.Dragoon:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *first vote*
Day 2: Kuja900 *who voted for him*
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: LostYourSkills and Clazziquai


Lysithea:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Dr.Dragoon *first vote*
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: LostYourSkills, no second vote.


SoMuchBetter:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


ZBiR:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, BlindAlbino
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5


str:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: No vote.


Artanis[xP]:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin
Day 7: L and Ulszz
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5


RtS)Night[Mare:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin
Day 7: L and Ulszz
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5



Major Suspect Summary:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


People who never voted, ever: 3

Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 6
Ace - 2
Fusion - 1
Empyrean - 2
Ghar - 1

(no votes/abstains from this point won't include Spoinka who never voted after Mayoral election)

Day 2:
Mandalor - 10 (Only 8 can possibly be Mafia)
Kuja900 - 1

Day 3:
Wurm - 6
Showtime! - 2 (Only 1 can possibly be Mafia)
Ghar - 2
BlindAlbino - 1
No vote - 1

Day 4:
No vote/abstain - 12

Day 5:
No vote/abstain - 7
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 4
Siefu - 1
Bugzitooni - 1

Day 6:
No vote/abstain - 6
Crazie-Penguin - 2
L - 3
Dr.Dragoon - 1
Nemy - 1

Day 7:
No vote/abstain - 5
L - 5
Ulszz - 4

Day 8:
No vote/abstain - 5
LostYourSkills - 7
ieatkids5 - 5



Suspect Numbers (Combined Mafia/suspects):
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No votes/no votes after mayoral election: 5 (1 mafia, 4 suspects)

Mayoral vote: Randombum - 10 (4 Mafia, 6 suspects)
Day 2: Mandalor - 12 (2 Mafia (of 10), 10 suspects (8 possible))
Day 3: Scattered votes.
Day 4: No vote/abstain - 17 (4 Mafia, 13 suspects)
Day 5 and onwards: Mafia are not avoiding lynching other mafia if the town seems swayed overall to do so anyway.



Personal Conclusion of Known Mafia Voting Patterns:
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Mayoral vote: Seems favored towards Randombum.


Day 2: Half voted Mandalor for sure, the others we've found have been scattered.


Day 3: Everyone seems scattered, probably intentionally as a result of the Mandalor list getting DT'ed. Also note that no mafia other than BlindAlbino so far used both of their votes; they all either abstained completely, didn't vote, or voted for one person and then abstained/didn't use their second vote.


Day 4: Most seemed to have taken the safe route and abstained along with the majority of town.


Day 5: With DT's gone, 3 of the 5 mafia still living took down Evilmonkey despite knowing he was mafia. I noted that without lists to worry about, mafia will probably vote alongside town in general with a few outliers to prevent themselves from being pegged too easily.


Day 6: No real pattern here, except that it should be noted that both L and Crazie-Penguin were voted for by fellow mafia members.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-03 12:54:48
May 03 2008 12:48 GMT
#5254
I'm bored, so as a kind of random thread to pick up, I've taken everybody who voted for Randombum out from the Mandalor list and inspected their voting records a little more closely in association with personally assumed Mafia trends.

My reasoning for this is surely obvious by now; half of the Mafia we've caught so far voted for Randombum. This is especially relevant because three of those four switched to Randombum near the very end, thus nearly boosting (just two votes from tying) Randombum into the Mayor position. Alongside that, five others who voted for Randombum are high up on my (and some are on others) suspect list. Those being:

Ninja4ever. as Mr. Blonde
suresh0t as The Wolf
Clazziquai as Mr. Orange
Unforgiven_ve as Joe
0cz3c as Copperhead

So, without further wait, I present you with lots of circumstantial evidence that might amount to absolute worthlessness. But, I'm hoping not. : x


+ Show Spoiler [Mandalor/Randombum List:] +


Mandalor list that voted Randombum/Are Randombum: 11 people. (8 Mafia remain in Mandalor list total)
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai
randombum
Unforgiven_ve
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Lysithea
fanatacist
0cz3c
GeneralStan
BWdero
Ninja4ever.
suresh0t



Day 3 - Majority of Mafia votes have been scattered, along with 2 abstains.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - Wurm, no second vote.
randombum - Wurm, no second vote.
Unforgiven_ve - No vote.
iNfuNdiBuLuM - Ghar and Showtime!
Lysithea - Wurm, no second vote.
fanatacist - Bumatlarge and Ghar.
0cz3c - Ghar, no second vote.
GeneralStan - Wurm and Ghar.
BWdero - Wurm, no second vote.
Ninja4ever - .Wurm, no second vote.
suresh0t - Wurm, no second vote.



Day 4 - Most Mafia abstained/didn't vote.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - No vote.
randombum - Abstain.
Unforgiven_ve - Abstain.
iNfuNdiBuLuM - No vote.
Lysithea - Abstain.
fanatacist - Abstain.
0cz3c - No vote.
GeneralStan - No vote.
BWdero - Abstain.
Ninja4ever. - No vote.
suresh0t - Abstain.



Day 5 - Almost equally split between those voting for Evilmonkey/Siefu and those not voting.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - No vote.
randombum - No vote.
Unforgiven_ve - Evilmonkey and Siefu
iNfuNdiBuLuM - No vote.
Lysithea - Evilmonkey and Siefu
fanatacist - No vote.
0cz3c - No vote.
GeneralStan - No vote.
BWdero - No vote.
Ninja4ever. - No vote.
suresh0t - Evilmonkey and Siefu



Day 6 - Known votes are scattered. One mafia voted for L, another voted for Crazie-Penguin, and the last voted nemY.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - L
randombum - Abstain. (???)
Unforgiven_ve - Crazie-Penguin
iNfuNdiBuLuM - Crazie-Penguin
Lysithea - Dr. Dragoon
fanatacist - No vote.
0cz3c - No vote.
GeneralStan - No vote.
BWdero - No vote.
Ninja4ever. - No vote.
suresh0t - No vote.



Day 7 - No known Mafia voted.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - L, no second vote.
randombum - No vote.
Unforgiven_ve - L and Ninja4ever.
iNfuNdiBuLuM - No vote.
Lysithea - No vote.
fanatacist - L and Ulszz
0cz3c - No vote.
GeneralStan - No vote.
BWdero - No vote.
Ninja4ever. - No vote.
suresh0t - L and Ulszz



Day 8 - No known Mafia voted.
+ Show Spoiler +

clazziquai - LostYourSkills and ieatkids5
randombum - LostYourSkills and ieatkids5
Unforgiven_ve - LostYourSkills and Ninja4ever.
iNfuNdiBuLuM - LostYourSkills and ieatkids5
Lysithea - LostYourSkills, no second vote.
fanatacist - Abstained.
0cz3c - No vote.
GeneralStan - No vote.
BWdero - LostYourSkills, no second vote.
Ninja4ever. - Abstained.
suresh0t - No vote.



General Notes/Conclusions:
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clazziquai:

Suspected primarily as Mr. Orange. Votes match up with general observed Mafia activity.


randombum:

No ties to specific Mafia. Only really suspected for Mafia voting so much for him. Votes generally match up to observed Mafia activity.


Unforgiven_ve:

Personal suspect for Joe. Some matches in voting record, though records do seem pro-town in general. Voted for Ninja4ever. last two double lynches, possibly to allay suspicion in his direction if we take Ninja out and he turns up red.


iNfuNdiBuLuM:

Suspect for California Mountain Snake. Mafia voting patterns match somewhat; his activity seems erratic. It is worth noting that among these select people, he is the only one also in the Showtime! list, which are 1/7 odds of Mafia, compared to Mandalor lists' overall 1/4 chance of Mafia.


Lysithea:

Light ties to Mr. Pink. Voted perfectly according to general Mafia trends thus far, as well as having a somewhat controversial voting record the past three days: voting Dr.Dragoon while Penguin was on the docket, not voting the next day, and then voting only for LostYourSkills Day 8. That would be a pretty stupid move to make at this point, however, so maybe this is a false thread.


fanatacist:

Light ties to Joe. Voting goes with general Mafia trends thus far.


0cz3c:

Suspect for Copperhead. Has not voted 'since the third day, despite being active in the thread afterwards.


GeneralStan:

Very general suspect. Hasn't voted 'since the third day.


BWdero:

No ties to any Mafia. Abstained Day 4 and then proceeded not to vote until Day 8, during which he only voted for LostYourSkills.


Ninja4ever.:

Suspect for Mr. Blonde. Stopped voting on Day 3. Voted again on Day 8, but only to abstain.


suresh0t:

Suspect for The Wolf. Erratic voting record. Generally matches known Mafia patterns for those days he did vote.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 12:53 GMT
#5255
Obviously nothing there is worth lynching anyone over at this point in time.

However, if we keep finding Mafia among those who voted Randombum, I think the above will be a good reference point to return to later.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 13:02 GMT
#5257
On May 03 2008 21:55 Alethios wrote:
Are you call'd forth from out a world of men to slay the innocent?

Who knew the allegiance of LYS and Ieatkids before their skin colour was revealed?

Two factions.

-Chuiu's mob
-The Burning Legion

Since you're playing the game (and thus cannot be running it) and knew the outcome of the Lynch beforehand... the only conceivable reason for your foresight is your affiliation with the damned.

You're caught Red Handed.


Ah, again logic bests me and my true intentions are revealed.

Yes, I'll come right out and say it: I am a complete and utter asshole. I have helped bring down four of my fellow mafia thus far with my inside information for my own personal delight, all the while chuckling to myself knowing that I am hated for being red, and yet trusted among the green in a glorious paradox.

C'mon...let me have my fun. Lynch me last.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 13:43 GMT
#5259
On May 03 2008 22:23 Alethios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2008 22:02 MTF wrote:
On May 03 2008 21:55 Alethios wrote:
Are you call'd forth from out a world of men to slay the innocent?

Who knew the allegiance of LYS and Ieatkids before their skin colour was revealed?

Two factions.

-Chuiu's mob
-The Burning Legion

Since you're playing the game (and thus cannot be running it) and knew the outcome of the Lynch beforehand... the only conceivable reason for your foresight is your affiliation with the damned.

You're caught Red Handed.


Ah, again logic bests me and my true intentions are revealed.

Yes, I'll come right out and say it: I am a complete and utter asshole. I have helped bring down four of my fellow mafia thus far with my inside information for my own personal delight, all the while chuckling to myself knowing that I am hated for being red, and yet trusted among the green in a glorious paradox.

C'mon...let me have my fun. Lynch me last.


<delusional fantasy>
+ Show Spoiler +
Alethios (aside)
Gah... you shall not best me Sir!

MTF
I can smile, and murder while I smile.

Alethios
Out damned spot! Out!

MTF
Thus have I politicly begun my reign,
And 'tis my hope to end successfully.

Alethios
O me, what hast thou done?

MTF
Nay, I know not

Alethios
What is thy name?

MTF
Thou'lt be afraid to hear it.
My name's MTF.

Alethios
The devil himself could not pronounce a title
More hateful to mine ear.


They fight

Alethios
MTF, thou art bested.

MTF
O, yet defend me, friends; I am but hurt.

The Townsfolk
He is justly served.

Alethios
To you, town, remains the censure of this hellish villain;
The time, the place, the torture: O, enforce it!

The Townsfolk
We shall my lord.


MTF is lynched

Alethios
God and your arms be praised, victorious friends,
The day is ours, the bloody dog is dead.

</delusional fantasy>

Who is to be lynched next? Oh glorious leaders?


Hahaha. <3

I've been looking up all those references, because though I recognized a few, most escaped me. I've been doing so for about five minutes now, reading surrounding texts.

Still smiling. :p

I don't know what Plexa/Ace/others think at this junction for certain. If I were to lynch one person at this very moment, I'd pick Nightmare for being on the Showtime! list and seemingly connecting to Mr. Pink. I think we have stronger suspects in general, though, and given that we'd lower Mafia's kill count by hitting one tomorrow, we may want to put our sights on someone more certain.

We should definitely wait for clues to decide the sureness of our next move for us, no matter which course we go.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 14:50 GMT
#5261
On May 03 2008 23:45 ZBiR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2008 17:25 MTF wrote:

Major Suspect Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


ZBiR:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, BlindAlbino
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.
Day 7: No vote.
Day 8: LostYourSkills and ieatkids5




lol @ me being a "major suspect"


You were added awhile back ago for the position of Cottonmouth by Plexa, because of your name translating into collection. I think he still suspects you, so I've not seen fit to remove you. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 15:34 GMT
#5263
On May 04 2008 00:20 ZBiR wrote:
I should have payed more attention to this thread =]

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 21:12 Plexa wrote:
Just note there that he has a number of Kives ("belt") and a number of nails... which almost sounds like a collection of various objects right? If CottonMouth uses another set of weapons next night then this clue is strengthen (especially if the numbers don't add to 44). Basically, "Collection" is the english translation of the croation word zbir... Hence ZBiR - as your name literally means collection - you must be cottonmouth

**Update** Once again a collection remains - my suspicion grows esp since the numbers have fallen through



No offence Plexa, but this is just pure ROTFL
Croatian? You checked what my name means in Croatian :D ? And not in Polish?
I'll save you the trouble - it IS a Polish word, it literally means "thug". Not "collection" LOL :D

+ Show Spoiler +
rotfl, collection... this made my day :D


Eh, what Chuiu chooses to define your name and what your name actually is doesn't have to be the same during the clue making.

That said, I don't think you are Mafia, mostly because I can't find the number 15 anywhere on you, which is the number I'm now connecting (thanks to qrs) to Cottonmouth. But, you certainly aren't in the clear just because there is a different definition for your name. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 03 2008 16:30 GMT
#5265
On May 04 2008 00:50 ZBiR wrote:
So you say it's possible that Chuiu makes clues on translations of nicknames in languages that have nothing in common with the suspect? Sorry, I don't think so
Maybe we should check everyone's nick in 200 languages of the world to catch possible connections?


Oh, and even if my name was "Collection" - I really think that linking 3(?) different weapons used to me would be far stretch.


You're 100% free to disagree. :p I don't think you are right to shut out the possibility, but like I said, I don't really think you're Mafia anyway.

And we only looked at your name in different languages because it is not readily referenced in English. So, no need to check everyone's names, but a definite need to check those whose names are not English and have nothing to go on in their profiles.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 04 2008 07:28 GMT
#5269
On May 04 2008 16:26 nemY wrote:
wasn't ieatkids5 mafia last game?


Nope.


Mafia
1. 1 ShaLLoW[baY]
3. 2 Eti307
8. 3 zdd
14. 4 dancefayedance!~
19. 5 Fen
23. 6 imDerek
32. 7 Quesadilla
43. 8 MyHeroNoob
48. 9 Empyrean
52. 10 Valentine
64. 11 Vharox
65. 12 Unforgiven_ve
67. 13 KF91
70. 14 to miss the mark


He was a bodyguard.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 04 2008 10:07 GMT
#5272
On May 04 2008 18:44 Plexa wrote:
i think we can make a case for lysithea based around the 'hybrid works' image ..


Unless we get someone in the Showtime! list through clues next Day, I wouldn't be very against lynching Lysithea. BlindAlbino defended him trying to convince Plexa that Evilmonkey was the one connected to the moon, there's still the moon reference which definitely stuck out, and there is the possibility of the Ali quote and/or the hybrid bit matching up with Pink. Plus, if he turns up red, we have yet another mafia that voted Randombum.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 06 2008 08:37 GMT
#5307
GG Mafia. I hope I see town continue to steamroll you.

On May 06 2008 14:22 clazziquai wrote:
OK MTF

will you shut up and stop accusing me lol jesus christ........


Considering I'm dead now, sure, I can do that!

Ok, no more posts, no more blog edits. GL.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 18 2008 18:32 GMT
#5590
On May 19 2008 03:12 LeGeNdZs[FcG] wrote:
what the hell is this?!



The psychic laid her hands flat on the table as a sudden, howling wind rushed around the room like a tsunami crashing through a narrow mountain path. Torrents of whistling air rose swiftly towards the ceiling, coalescing into a brilliantly shining figure shaped almost like a human being. The psychic's head twitches once, twice, and then her eyes drift reluctantly upwards towards the apparition. As her gaze finally draws level with the figure, it begins to rapidly spin, creating a cyclonic funnel which in a sudden instant shoots into the psychic's open mouth.

Her head collapses onto the table as the room becomes eerily quiet without pause. Her fingers twitch randomly as if they are the last vestiges of a dying life. Silently, the head rises, and in it's eyes burn a bright blue flame which dances disconcertingly out from the irises to the now bloodshot rims. The head turns towards you, without any discernible motion. An evil grin stretches the faces smile out past her cheekbones, making reality suddenly seem less certain. Then, in a crackling, high voice, it speaks:

"Crack."
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-09 19:17:57
June 09 2008 19:17 GMT
#6112
On June 10 2008 03:24 jtan wrote:
oh it just struck me...

is that group you are talking about perhaps a bunch of dead people who still follow the game? that would actually make sense lol


Sorry preemptively, Chuiu.

Speaking only to allay fears here. There have been limited talks amongst the dead after said deaths of the "Detective Squad" mentioned in Plexa's revealed post. However, in those talks, there have been revealed various suspects amongst our company that are strong, yet have not been presented in the slightest through any players. It is by this observable non-action that I conclude Wysps' contact is most probably not among the dead.

Sorry again for speaking, but just wanted to put out what I know in case people start getting riled up about considering the possibility of such heavily blatant disregard for the rules.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
June 28 2008 06:36 GMT
#6366
On June 28 2008 15:07 Chuiu wrote:
...and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.


Chuiu is like God with a more clearly karmic sense of humor.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
July 27 2008 04:28 GMT
#6762
Breaking free temporarily from the land of the silenced to say that Chuiu has a poetic soul. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
August 04 2008 22:23 GMT
#6845
Wow! Finally over. Man, I died fourteen of the game days ago. o_O That's more than had even played out when I was still alive.

Anyway, GG to everyone who made an effort this round. I'm particularly interested in hearing that Mafia summary if L or someone else would be inclined to post it up. I know from what little I saw, Mafia was planning things intelligently.

I've posted a fairly short summary of what occurred before my death and my thoughts on things occurring after it here, if anyone is interested in reading about me rambling on endlessly.

O, and Chuiu, I just need to know:

New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him.


Did the bolded portion pertain to ieatkids5/Mr. White or was it talking about The Wolf?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
August 04 2008 22:44 GMT
#6848
On August 05 2008 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
How did the mafia get the list of all the blues though?


This post.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
August 06 2008 05:22 GMT
#6916
On August 05 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:
rofl yea seriously if anything i fucked the town over more than anything !!


Liar. :p

On August 05 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:
MTF was a god omfg dude you were so fucking accurate it made me look like shit! Town would have lost if it weren't for you


Haha, nah. I was pretty accurate in those I pushed strongly for, I won't humbly deny that, but I had my share of misses. For example, I was 100% convinced about and set on lynching DamageControl, as well as strongly suspecting jtan, qrs, and nemY at various (reoccurring) times. Plus, I completely dropped Infundibulum as a suspect at some point and forgot to ever pick him back up as one.

Town definitely had plenty of heroes here and it seems Mafia had their share, too. Those IRC logs are crazy. XD Nice to read all those PM's from Ace, too. Lots of people were more involved than they seemed just from the thread.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
October 23 2008 01:39 GMT
#6946
I'm definitely participating again if I can.

Just don't expect as much clue stuff from me this time, town (when there is a town). I'm not lucky enough to have quite as much free time as I used to have.
Think. :)
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