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On March 20 2008 14:21 Showtime! wrote:
The only players playing are those who voted or abstrained from voting. Read the damn rules, God.
Chuiu did not remove anyone from the game yet so I thought ALL players were fair game. I read the rules but since Chuiu left them all there is it wrong for me to think that surely any of them can still be playing?
You really are irritating.
And like I said I'm not lynching anyone based off of 1 night of clues. The reason I didn't even bother to look at any of the people posting is because if I ended up lynching an Innocent who just happened to be stupid, the backlash would have been worse than it is now.
The ONLY reason people are upset is because Inc turned out to be blue instead of green. I say we just move on with the plan and stop trying to be disgruntled. It's only adding confusion and a bad start. This is the last time I'm addressing this.
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Guys just ignore Showtime for now and get back to the game.
The plan has already been put into motion, and already a few surprising things have come up.
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Well I can't instant lynch anymore, so the power to lynch is in your hands just as much as mine except I have 6 hands (^_^ )
Shallow I cant reveal that info right now, just know a lot of PMs have come in
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lol not all of them are about roles, some of them are just discussions, strats, stuff like that.
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no it's not about detectives either. Basically what happened is that people started messaging me interesting ideas, questions, some roles, and some observances.
It's just really interesting because I have a lot of faith in the town's ability. Some of the townies (if they really are) are really very clever individuals.
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On March 20 2008 15:04 ahrara_ wrote:
Well, I still don't think you're worth trusting even with strats and suspicions.
Alven:
I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him.
If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me?
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If I happened to be Mafia, then the town knowing this can still always "force" my hand.
Either he acts in the best interest of the Town and is fucked if he doesn't, and/or we double guess his every move and see how he votes and who he doesn't vote for.
But, it's usually a good idea to kill a Mafia Mayor asap once they've been found out.
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Yea and once he abstains he no longer serves a purpose - lynch.
The town can play mind games too 
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The bodyguard plan started last night. So far what's happpened:
All bodyguards have been contacted and all their info exchanged.
Not all DTs have confirmed anything with me yet, I think some of them are still waiting or sleeping.
I still have to verify them all at some point anyway, that'll take time but I've already got a plan for that.
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Also I've said this before but as soon as I was elected Mayor, I got roleblocked.
No extra voting power or double lynches for me today. So I only have a vote count of 1, not 6 for today.
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Like I said before, if you don't understand the decision I made then keep reading it until you do.
No one is a prime suspect right now, until I start getting more info and the first night's lynches happen there isn't anyone even close to the chopping block.
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Also, can the Town start discussing the clues from Day 1 again?
Right now, I think that should be our main focus. No matter who dies tonight, if we already have a list of suspects, coupled with the information I am receiving we'll save a lot of time and hopefully lives with tomorrow's lynch.
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On March 21 2008 02:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 17:04 Naib wrote:On March 20 2008 15:07 Ace wrote:On March 20 2008 15:04 ahrara_ wrote:
Well, I still don't think you're worth trusting even with strats and suspicions.
Alven:
I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him. If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me? As for Showtime: Another shitstrirrer (so is Shallow, but if you look at his usual TL posts...well...go figure) I believe both even being innocent, can cause more harm than good, so we might as well get them out of the way... Sorry, but...you're a fucking idiot!
actually it's a sound strategy. Shit stirrers are no benefit to the town, and if we make it clear we'd lynch them they would shape up.
If they continue to behave that way we have no choice but to think they are Mafia and get rid of them.
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thanks a ton
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Actually even with 100+ people it won't take us long to find reds.
1.) Once all the Townies start PMing me, if any roles clash there's an issue
2.) There's room for 76 townies, and even then with inactives if too many Mafia tried to claim vanilla, that strengthens the validity of the blues that PM me giving us an easier time
3.) Everyone doesn't need to be investigated
4.) With a killing power of 9, after 2 days lets say around 24 people died (vigis and lynchings). By then, it would be really clear who some of the Mafia are.
Really, I'd only be worried if we hit Day 3 with 0 dead mafia and almost all our blues gone.
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Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me.
It'll help me a lot
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On March 21 2008 03:23 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 03:20 Ace wrote:Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me. It'll help me a lot You're joking, right? In case you aren't: how could it possibly help you?
Ok for a second I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a Mafia member talking strategy with all his cohorts.
I see the bodyguard plan and realize that false claiming BG or DT early in the game will 100% lead to me being investigated soon no matter what.
So I instead wait until no one accuses the Mayor who I know is innocent, and then start sending in role PMs.
3 things happen here that can benefit Mafia:
1.) Not enough people sent in the same role PM (blue) so I look legit enough
2.) I claim a vanilla townie (green) and no one else is sending in PMs anyway so why waste an investigation on me
3. ) There are a lot of greens anyway so chances are I'm not found out
So I devised a counter-strategy that also falls in line with the BG plan:
If I ask everyone to PM me (and they should once they realize I'm legit) then the Mafia plan is crushed, because they
1.) can't risk sending in a blue PM
this is a major advantage to the town. If they send in a false blue PM and I ask them to do something and stuff doesn't add up they are caught. If they don't send in a false blue PM that just makes the real blues look legit (all add up) and I'm 100% sure they are real and can use them to the best abilities.
2.) send in vanilla PMs
seriously, if I end up with a list of 90 something vanillas and few blues I essentially just cut off all 34 or so blue roles out the suspect list.
Either way, the act of forcing everyone to PM me makes the Mafia have to think about the path they'll take their chances with, and I have methods for dealing with both paths.
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On March 21 2008 03:37 LucasWoJ wrote:
It would still help with the slightest screw-up from the mafia. Say four detectives send a PM to Ace revealing their roles. One mafioso decides to become a detective for the sake of the PM. Bam, we've got a smaller suspect list. It's easier to look into the Day posts and find clues for 5 people than 130.
And that is one of our prime strategies right now.
Remember I already said we don't need to investigate 100+ people.
If someone screws up in a group of 7, all we need to do is apply the clues to that group and confirm things with an investigation if need be.
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