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On March 30 2008 04:51 Plexa wrote:
[spoiler]Mandalor could have been;
Mr White
Black Mamba
King Brown Snake
The Wolf
Mr Blue
Snake Charmer
Cottonmouth
Of these Snake Charmer seems to fit the best...
a google search of Mandalor's name reveals a common theme of knights (despite there being no real meaning for the name) Seeing as there are no other clues anywhere in mandalor's profile/quote etc im 99% he was snakecharmer
You probably know this, but "Snake Charmer" was the Codename for Bill (the leader) of the Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad.
On March 30 2008 14:08 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2008 11:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 30 2008 09:47 qrs wrote:
*Jaw drops*. If Ghar was a townie, I'm done with clue interpretation. Looks like you're done interpreting clues. Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Anytime.
On March 30 2008 04:23 LTT wrote:
Voted for Wurm but shouldn't have - 5
Ace - (Safe, lol)
Amber[LighT]
Puosu
Alethios(2)
Siefu
decafchicken
The people, such as myself, who voted but "shouldn't have" are actually doing the town a favour. If the mafia count on those two lists combined don't increase, the extra people are all townies. Waiting on Ace to post the counts. I hope we are still getting them.
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Ace seems to think he can win without our help. The vigilantes will be busy won't they?
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It's come to my attention that this thread must be closed, and a majority of the town's inhabitants banned.
I quote, from the Ten Commandments:
"And please don't try to be Freud or Jung. Don't second-guess the motives for why someone wrote something... ...Avoid responding with comments filled with half-baked psychoanalytical presumptions about the poster's imputed agenda or their psych profile... ...Stop psychoanalyzing - you don't have a license to practice. "
I rest my case 
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Nice find GranDim! A hentai series you say? Hmmm... I won't ask...
Looking at the full picture, the girl looks less like a wolf than in the small cut from the profile. It could still be a valid clue, because it's unlikely Chuiu knew of the larger picture. The strength of the clue is of course diminished however.
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Ace, I'm wondering if you have any further information for us. I realise there have been many DT deaths recently, but we've only gotten mafia counts on 2 vote lists. Will we be receiving this information today?
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Well i'm back, it's been pretty hellish here recently.
Yeah, Ace and randombum have no need to fear for their lives. Another 2 Bodyguards left. We can be fairly certain that mafia will not target them on the same night the last bodyguard is killed either... risking wasting a kill.
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This is kind of scary...
Mayor is elected. (4 double lynches remaining, voting power of 6)
Pardoner is elected. (6 pardons remaining)
2 of 6 Bodyguards alive.
3 of 4 Vigilante alive.
0 of 4 Detective alive.
7 of 7 Veteran alive.
4 of 7 Paramedic alive.
0 of 2 Mad Hatter alive.
0 of 2 Jack alive.
6 out of 6 of the most important roles are dead. The Jacks and the Detectives have been pulverized, slaughtered, murdered, killerized, shot, deathed, made dead and are now pushing up daisys six feet under with no respawn point in sight.
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On April 19 2008 14:48 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2008 13:29 fusionsdf wrote:On April 19 2008 12:35 L wrote:The name "pangolin" derives from the Malay word pengguling ("something that rolls up"). annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd? I agree, unless one of the Mafia's names is Mr. Carpet or there's someone with a tendency to blaze a fat joint before they kill, this doesn't help us much.
I'm sure you could infer that from some of the clues.
For instance:
"sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder"
Clearly he was pretty blazed... either that or he'd been drinking tequila (don't drink that shit... the hangover is still going strong).
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So... the car numberplate theory worked out. Good job Amber[LighT]! :p
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On April 21 2008 07:53 SoleSteeler wrote:
Agh
I'm not mafia
Trust me
When I was accused before, I said not to look at one part of my name. Now I need to say soul stealer != SoleSteeler. SoleSteeler has nothing to do with draining life, or energy, or anything. We need to stick with the people we know are mafia, trust me, I am not mafia.
Sorry to say this dude... but thats not what i'd call a good defense.
"Trust me" says absolutely nothing. Anybody under suspicion, town or mafia, would want players to trust them.
Likewise the SoleSteeler/SoulStealer connection. You can't deny that the two are homonyms... enough for Chuiu to build a clue around your name being "Soul Stealer"
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On April 21 2008 16:28 MTF wrote:
Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p
I have to disagree with you on this point. Many have tried to "convincingly point the finger" at somebody else, but since they're under suspicion their finger pointing generally goes unnoticed.
If SoleSteeler knows he's town, a defense analysing the premises behind his accusation is perfectly valid. Helps us not lynch the wrong person, Saving that precious lynch for somebody else while also not killing another soldier in the fight against the swarm. Thus, defending yourself IS helpful.
Personally, pending further evidence, I believe SS has acquitted himself admirably on this count. He was accused based upon Day/Night clues... and he's shown that the connection between himself and Mr.Pink is tenuous at best.
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On April 22 2008 15:40 Plexa wrote:
i'll come right out and say it - L and L alone should be protecting me tonight
Thats a rather interesting thing to be telling everybody.
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On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Copperhead found Falcynn working late at school on an essay. He saw him at a computer typing it up and crept up from behind. Copperhead grabbed his chair and wheeled him into a printer table off to the side knocking several things from the shelves onto him. Falcynn pushed himself away from it and got up to defend himself, he grabbed a pen which had fallen onto the ground and slashed upward with it at Copperhead. Copperhead grabbed a keyboard and used it as a shield, he deflected the pen and smashed it into Falcynn. He grabbed another keyboard off to the side and use both of them as weapons smacking Falcynn every open spot he could find. He finally got him into a corner and kicked him in the gut then finished Falcynn off by smashing his head between the two keyboards.
I'm not generally one to analyse clues, preferring instead to leave that to others and focus upon people's actions and speach.... but when i read this, a giant light bulb lit up above my head.
This paragraph really seems to bring to mind PurePwnage, in particular the two keyboard/micro fight scenes. First when Jeremy fights himself in the door-less room in Season 1 episode 4 "Pwn or Be Pwned" and second when he fights Vruckter (sp?) in the Netherlands during episode 11, season 1. Perhaps Copperhead is a gamer of some sort?
I'll have to go watch the two scenes again, but his opponents wear ninja costumes, it's generally very dark and in both cases two characters spar using keyboards.
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Changing my quote from "There's somebody here... they stole your underpants" to "*thick german accent* Design design design... if you don't do design... you're TOAST!" for personal reasons *cries*
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This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior.
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Huh... big ass points posted since i started writing (yes it took me hours... i went out).
Including a rare randombum post... now personally i'm inclined to trust him... but his post does align with my theory of doing exactly what he needs to do to escape notice.
Make a post or two defending yourself if any suspicion is raised... then fall back into being anonymous.
The fact you didn't receive many votes isn't really valid by the way... there were detectives in the game at the time... and this round's legion of the damned would not want to be caught out like they were in the previous game.
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Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him?
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On April 27 2008 17:48 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:42 Alethios wrote:
This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior. for someone who doesn't turn up to debate tournaments you're one to talk haha anyway, check out the voting thread for mayor... Empyrean was essentially in as pardoner (and safe as a detective). I think mafia wanted to stop someone with an important role like empy from getting in and have 6 BG protection.. thus 4 of them (queasy + albino and the suspects clazziquai/0zc7c) bumped Randombum over the top right at the end (some switching from empy to him) and hence i don't think he's mafia (but those last 4 are)
Firstly... my apologies about the tournament, I had signed up and all... unfortunately something came up. How did you do?
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Granted, the mafia would prefer a non-detective with bodyguard protection with the position of pardoner... but they essentially only had one other option at that point anyway... randombum... furthermore... why wouldn't they want one of their own in that position?
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On April 27 2008 17:56 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake
I was hoping you could specifically say how it relates.
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Perhaps PMs would be the best place for our off topic discussion.
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On April 27 2008 18:00 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:56 Plexa wrote:Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake I was hoping you could specifically say how it relates.
To quote you: "Weapon of choice" potentially a sharp hat
Apologies for the triple post... but even if the motorized were sharp (which I find rather suspect... have you seen the hats in question) why would Californian Mountainsnake need to "[take] out his own weapon of choice" if it's upon his head?
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So a pardoner must 'pre-pardon' so to speak? Conceivably then the pardoner could pardoner somebody who doesn't end up with the most votes?
Interesting...
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So uh, back on topic for the moment...
/Bump thread too
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Interesting the number of people voting for lostyourskills but not ieatkids... The evidence seems much stronger for the former. Perhaps some more analysis on ieatkids might come in handy?
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On MoreMinerals
He's been voting for me ever since I challenged Ace, seeking assurance for myself and the rest of the town (and was assured btw). I'd suggest he saw this as seditious and decided I must be punished.
No idea why he's voting for Korvspad now however... it seems like a break from the pattern.
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