On April 16 2008 13:53 nemY wrote:
Clear me of suspicion yet?

I'm confused... how did the Jack go Vig and hit a medic? Shouldn't Ace have stopped this?!?

MidnightGladius seemed "Gharish" in that there were multiple obvious clues relating to him... hindsight 20/20.

because the jack was the one who fucked up and had overwhelming clues pointing to him. We tried to solve it the best way possible (especially knowing he'd probably be dead).

Well my top two suspects are Heros)Pink and L.

Ace

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April 16 2008 07:10 GMT

#4660

actually, I knew I should have went with my gut instinct last week. I'm 99% sure Heros)Pink is mafia.

Ace

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April 16 2008 19:12 GMT

#4686

On April 17 2008 02:21 nemY wrote:

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Because of...?

because The Rock smells what's cookin!

Ace

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April 16 2008 19:28 GMT

#4687

BREAKING NEWS

Ok L has been confirmed Mafia. I'll explain to you guys the plan we used and why we used it.

Sadly, decafchicken messed up the list making us think he was guilty. KH1031 said he protected decaf the night before, so either both of them were mafia or , KH1031 was innocent.

So we told decaf to go vigi and kill KH1031. If KH1031 didn't die, we knew decaf was Mafia. So as a failsafe I added another plan. In the event they are BOTH innocent, put one of our suspicious medics on Decaf. We thought decaf would be a possible target if innocent, so if worse comes to worse then decaf would survive the night.

However as I told Plexa, the only bad thing that could happen is the WORST CASE SCENARIO of both innocents dying. It happened. And the fake medic didn't protect Decaf. Who's the fake medic?

L.

Also Heros, I only accused you to see who would jump on the bandwagon and try to help get you lynched. I'll check the voting thread soon to see whats up.

Original Message:

Protection for Night 5:

L - decafchicken

Having L protect decafchicken is another plan to leverage us. If decaf is innocent he'd survive the night hopefully. If L is the Mafia he can't protect decaf, but can't risk killing him for fear of not knowing how many medics were assigned to decaf which may screw up the kill list Mafia use. That way we can always catch L in a lie later on that day if h's indeed the mole medic.

Ace

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April 16 2008 19:50 GMT

#4691

The jack's ID was already revealed because of the channel incident, it didn't MATTER at that point. We were all sure Decaf was going to die if he was innocent. The whole point was to see if Decaf was Mafia or not.

It all comes down to the fact that Decaf was not protected AT ALL last night. We only put ONE medic on him - you. There were no bumbling mistakes. I took a gamble that you already knew his ID, which you all surely did.

Good try L. Too bad you got caught in the end.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 16 2008 20:21 GMT

#4698

On April 17 2008 04:55 L wrote:
You realize that 5 hits didn't land last night, one of which was protected by me. Where did the rest go?

Edit: 2 vig hits (one on your orders on KH, which decaf pmed me about) + 3 normal kills.

Either mafia hit 5 veterans, or they probably put extra hits on decaf to assure that he couldn't vote check in the future.

And to add to that, if the Jack's ID was already known by the channel incident, why does it tie to me. Mafia already knew, and with the missing hits, (being over FIFTY PERCENT of their total hits), its incredibly easy to assume that they just tossed an extra hit or two on him to assure his death.

decaf said he didnt get a PM about getting hit

Ace

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April 16 2008 20:32 GMT

#4701

On April 17 2008 05:25 L wrote:
people don't get pms about getting hit unless they survive. Ask chuiu.

Also, to reply to amber:

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I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died.

Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected.

When Lenwe died he got twice.

The first time he got saved and got a PM about, the second time he died.

So how is now different from then?

If decaf was hit once, you would have saved him.
If decaf was hit twice or more, he would have still got a PM saying he was saved and then died anyway.

Neither of those happened.

Ace

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April 16 2008 20:46 GMT

#4706

Either way L, even without Decaf's testimony you're confirmed mafia. I'm asking everyone to vote and Lynch L.

Ace

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April 16 2008 20:47 GMT

#4707

On April 17 2008 05:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:

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You shouldn't know that information....

EDIT: I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to know this info, but still the mayor can't technically talk to the dead.

I didn't know that until Chuiu just posted it.

Even ignoring that info L is STILL confirmed Mafia.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 16 2008 20:48 GMT

#4709

making what up? Point to the info I made up.

And if you truly are a medic, then how about you publicly post who you protected what night and how it turned out.

Ace

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April 16 2008 20:51 GMT

#4711

we didn't cheat knowingly. In all the games I've played targets can still tell whether or not they've been hit after death because w/o the town has to go through extra complicated ways of finding out if someone was protected or not. Combined with a Mafia kill list where inactivity doesn't hurt them the town can't really do shit. I didn't even realize it till Chuiu just posted it, but it makes no difference.

Ignoring that info look at the clues that point to L.

Ace

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April 16 2008 20:59 GMT

#4712

And just to give you a quick example:

Medic A protects Bob.
Bob dies that night.

If bob disappears and Medic A said " I protected Bob" then this is the scaenario:

Medic A is lying and Bob wasn't protected.
Medic A isn't lying and Bob was hit at least Twice.

How do you know for sure? By asking Bob.

If Bob can't tell you anything, which he should be able to since he SURVIVED the first hit then how does the town resolve the situation?

Ask DTs to check the Medics? That's a disadvantage for the town because this scenario would happen almost every night, making the DTs practically Medic baby sitters.

Ask the medic? yea, sure. Especially if the medic can lie.

Reconstruct the Mafia Kill list? It's your best bet, but if the Mafia have a constant kill list all you know is that the MAX # of kills could add up to a certain # and know nothing about whether or not that # was used.

Ace

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April 16 2008 21:15 GMT

#4715

The difference between Ghar and MG was that people only had clues linking to them.

You on the other hand have clues + a precarious situation linking to you: you are the only medic who has never saved someone from death.

Individually, every medic that's currently alive has saved someone.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 16 2008 21:38 GMT

#4723

That was the basis of the Decaf-KH1031 situation, L. But we put you on Decaf so that just in case both turned out innocent and Decaf died we'd still have some important info.

Everyone else protected their targets last night, you're the only one who did not.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 16 2008 21:50 GMT

#4725

Do I even need to?

The only possible way you could be blue is if everyone else is lying.

Ace

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April 16 2008 21:52 GMT

#4726

and more over whats with the vague reference to more_minerals? If you think he's suspect the least you would do is actually make some sense of your accusations, right?