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HeRoS)Pink
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
April 12 2008 18:55 GMT
#4321
On April 13 2008 01:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 01:46 BlindAlbino wrote:
ah nice job guys, shame for siefu but he had lots of clue so dont know. Caller correct when he said red moon was evilmonkey, so gj to him way back.

not sure who I suspect anymore as most of my suspect are confirm innocent.


or maybe the list is false?

Seriously Amber is either a stupid townie or a mafia trying to either get Ace lynched or Araav + trying to fuck us with false statement.
and theres clues towards him too
Dunno why he's still trying to provoke the town with such stupid comment
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2008 18:59 GMT
#4322
On April 13 2008 01:31 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote:
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
1.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?

old message:

MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler

are all confirmed innocent
-------------


uh-oh


Btw what does this actually mean?

it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia..



it was one of the early DT list checks. New 104 asked chuiu how many mafia were on that list, and chuiu apparently said 0. New104 is dead, so we know he wasnt mafia, so was the error by chuiu, by ace?

In any case, for now I am not assuming anyone on that list is innocent
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
aZnvaLiaNce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States942 Posts
April 12 2008 19:16 GMT
#4323
On April 13 2008 03:59 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 01:31 Camlito wrote:
On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote:
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
1.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?

old message:

MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler

are all confirmed innocent
-------------


uh-oh


Btw what does this actually mean?

it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia..



it was one of the early DT list checks. New 104 asked chuiu how many mafia were on that list, and chuiu apparently said 0. New104 is dead, so we know he wasnt mafia, so was the error by chuiu, by ace?

In any case, for now I am not assuming anyone on that list is innocent

Ace - 7
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~(2)
Evilmonkey.

New104 asked to check this list. 1 was on this list and that's Evilmonkey. No error there.
Isnt that worth fighting for? Isnt that worth dying for? - Morpheus
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
April 12 2008 19:16 GMT
#4324
On April 13 2008 03:55 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 01:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On April 13 2008 01:46 BlindAlbino wrote:
ah nice job guys, shame for siefu but he had lots of clue so dont know. Caller correct when he said red moon was evilmonkey, so gj to him way back.

not sure who I suspect anymore as most of my suspect are confirm innocent.


or maybe the list is false?

Seriously Amber is either a stupid townie or a mafia trying to either get Ace lynched or Araav + trying to fuck us with false statement.
and theres clues towards him too
Dunno why he's still trying to provoke the town with such stupid comment


If that was an error by Chuiu he probably would have already came up to admit his mistake; however seeing as he hasn't I'm going to assume someone in this little 'inner circle' is lying. I'll put it out there I don't trust Ace I think it's too much of a coincidence that all but one of our detectives were assassinated quickly (more frequently than the others) and our last one was guaranteed to die because they used the suicide bomber on him. I'm in doubt of the 'fact analyzing' that's going on here. I've shut up for most of the game because I believe having a mayor around is a good idea early, but we're coming close to that point where we should evaluate our 'higher ups' and question their motives.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
HeRoS)Pink
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
April 12 2008 19:28 GMT
#4325
On April 13 2008 04:16 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 03:55 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
On April 13 2008 01:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On April 13 2008 01:46 BlindAlbino wrote:
ah nice job guys, shame for siefu but he had lots of clue so dont know. Caller correct when he said red moon was evilmonkey, so gj to him way back.

not sure who I suspect anymore as most of my suspect are confirm innocent.


or maybe the list is false?

Seriously Amber is either a stupid townie or a mafia trying to either get Ace lynched or Araav + trying to fuck us with false statement.
and theres clues towards him too
Dunno why he's still trying to provoke the town with such stupid comment


If that was an error by Chuiu he probably would have already came up to admit his mistake; however seeing as he hasn't I'm going to assume someone in this little 'inner circle' is lying. I'll put it out there I don't trust Ace I think it's too much of a coincidence that all but one of our detectives were assassinated quickly (more frequently than the others) and our last one was guaranteed to die because they used the suicide bomber on him. I'm in doubt of the 'fact analyzing' that's going on here. I've shut up for most of the game because I believe having a mayor around is a good idea early, but we're coming close to that point where we should evaluate our 'higher ups' and question their motives.

The town can't affort lynching Ace. Why? because he's the one providing the double lynch and vigi arent doing so good atm. So why even thinking about lynching ace? he already know everyone's role and he already provide the list to other mafia ( if he's one ).
PS: I really dont think ace would have bring more suspicion on him by killing all his dt in 4 days and theres still a Jack who can role check him. so it would be a big mistake, but once again we have other player to catch before even thinking about lynching Ace.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 12 2008 19:38 GMT
#4326
On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote:
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
1.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?

old message:

MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler

are all confirmed innocent
-------------


uh-oh


you got it mixed up. That isn't the list of people to have voted on me day 3 from New104.

That list of people is from the Jack that turned out false, he said he made a mistake and asked for randombum but gave me the results of bumatlarge's list.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 12 2008 19:40 GMT
#4327
The mere fact that you guys are STILL questioning my innocence just begs me to ask:

why?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 12 2008 19:55 GMT
#4328
L, called me a retard when I pointed out a clue towards EvilMonkey
I called you a retard because you can't add. The fact that you thought that decaf was cutting wires specifically because of the thematic link to being an animal also didn't make sense.

As for evilmonkey being mafia or not, I'm pretty sure everyone was operating on very few clues + the dt list, much like we all were when we voted for trancestorm. I didn't defend him at all, I just thought that your reasoning was kinda weak and totally didn't fit. Ie. Decaf shouldn't be under suspicion because of the animal/wire link, but that's kinda obvious now due to monkey being mafia, that's all.

And yeah, i've been meaning to ask you. You post quite a bit, but you edit a large amount of your posts. I've seen a few of the uneditted versions, and they all seem to be like 20 line analysis which are fairly decent, but then i go to check where you go the information from, and the post is gone by the time i get back. More importantly, the timestamps on your edits are actually after successive posts, which means you posted something, double posted in certain cases, then went back and editted both posts for some reason.

most specifically, pages 213 and 214, which comprise like your 7 most recent posts before the night post by chuiu.

I'm not going to say this means you're mafia, because i'm pretty sure that dt evidence + clues are far more important, but like.. why would you edit such a massive amount of information out of your posts?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 12 2008 20:09 GMT
#4329
Just as a sort of summary for myself from that false list...

Innocents:

Empyrean - Dead/innocent.
Plexa - Most probably innocent.
~OpZ~ - Proven innocent.

Unknowns

MTF - Innocent, but can't really prove that. :p
JoxxOr

SpiritoftheTuna - On the Mandalor list.
Pangolin - On the Mandalor list.
NatsuTerran - On the Mandalor list.
Eti307 - On the Mandalor list.
Romance_us - On the Mandalor list.
BloodyC0bbler - On the Mandalor list.

Mafia

d.arkive - Mafia



I'm fairly sure there can't be more than one Mafia left altogether in that list, unless Mafia got greedy and tried to get a large early boost. What I think is more likely is that everyone remaining on the list is innocent; Mafia knew d.arkive would be revealed at some point and I don't think they'd risk throwing more Mafia in such a list as bait later. Unless we're dealing with stupid people, but based on the number of blues dead, I doubt it. Also, I don't remember the exact timing of this list, but I know I was a suspect of Plexa's for a little bit, so all the more reason for me to be on a fake list with a confirmed Mafia in it.
Think. :)
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-12 21:34:10
April 12 2008 21:28 GMT
#4330
On April 12 2008 23:09 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote:
L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.

Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +
Original Message:
hi!

i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:

"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."

this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.

now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...

Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.

furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.

and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.
.

Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.

Looking into others...

I dont think Eti307 is mafia
Reason : iirc, he was part of the mafia last game and he never said anything. dunno why he would do such accusations if he was mafia


My reasons better...Darkive or w/e his name is death on a list with 1 mafia in which Eti307 also voted for...

edit:

New's list
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2008 21:43 GMT
#4331
On April 13 2008 04:16 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2008 03:59 fusionsdf wrote:
On April 13 2008 01:31 Camlito wrote:
On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote:
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
1.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?

old message:

MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler

are all confirmed innocent
-------------


uh-oh


Btw what does this actually mean?

it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia..



it was one of the early DT list checks. New 104 asked chuiu how many mafia were on that list, and chuiu apparently said 0. New104 is dead, so we know he wasnt mafia, so was the error by chuiu, by ace?

In any case, for now I am not assuming anyone on that list is innocent

Ace - 7
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~(2)
Evilmonkey.

New104 asked to check this list. 1 was on this list and that's Evilmonkey. No error there.


I wasnt talking about that list:
I was talking about another one. Now I just need to figure out where I got it.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-12 21:48:19
April 12 2008 21:44 GMT
#4332
On April 13 2008 06:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2008 23:09 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote:
L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.

Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +
Original Message:
hi!

i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:

"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."

this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.

now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...

Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.

furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.

and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.
.

Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.

Looking into others...

I dont think Eti307 is mafia
Reason : iirc, he was part of the mafia last game and he never said anything. dunno why he would do such accusations if he was mafia


My reasons better...Darkive or w/e his name is death on a list with 1 mafia in which Eti307 also voted for...

edit:

New's list

That list was supposed to have 0 innocents, and had d.arkive.

For that reason, I am not trusting it right now. i.e., that list is from the false jack
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
April 12 2008 21:47 GMT
#4333
True...anyway it goes, I'm innocent...hmm...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2008 21:49 GMT
#4334
You are innocent because of a different list opz
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
April 12 2008 21:52 GMT
#4335
Ah shit...I looked at what ace said and confused myself...disregard what I said...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
April 12 2008 21:52 GMT
#4336
On April 13 2008 06:49 fusionsdf wrote:
You are innocent because of a different list opz

I know...I was arguing for Eti...but...Within reason...I can't prove him innocent, and don't really care, as I am innocent.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2008 22:06 GMT
#4337
On March 25 2008 17:39 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2008 17:31 wurm wrote:
On March 25 2008 17:21 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
On March 25 2008 17:19 wurm wrote:
lol im a suspect.

First point: I abstained from voting because, at the beginning, i didn't really like the way you handled things. Now that Mandalor was proven to be Mafia, i'm beginning to like you as Mayor.

Second point: I, along with a few others, don't like your system of finding Mafia. Yes, it does work, but it's not my cup of tea. Last game was quite addicting considering townies lost, but it was still addicting. Besides, you already have a mob of followers so my one vote obviously won't make a difference seeing as Day voting was 70+ for Mandalor and only 7 for Ghar.

So yeah, I kinda like doing my own thing. Funny how doing this = mafioso.


Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists mafioso


So... hard... to... choose.

Seriously though, just because i didn't pm a role to Ace isn't exactly concrete evidence.


either way you're almost guaranteed to be Suspect #1 tomorrow. And I think you are being either incredibly stupid or suspicious.

I'm going to explain why right now.


This is so far, what I know about the Mafia kill list for night 1 looking like:


1.)Mynock
2.)goldenkrnboi
3.)NeaX
4.)Yogurt
5.)OneBlueAugust
6.)X
7.)Y
8.)
9.)


8 and 9 are unexplained, and possible that Mafia sent in more than 1 hit against one of those names.

Out of X and Y, one of those names said they got a PM from you claiming to be a Paramedic.

So that person survived one hit against them and lived, and got a PM from you saying you're a paramedic that protected them.

Interesting.

Because that same person also got another PM from another Paramedic claiming they also protected him. Strange. On the first night, the Mafia sent out a kill list with the same person listed TWICE instead of exercising full power? Doubt it. That kill list would look like this:

1.)Mynock
2.)goldenkrnboi
3.)NeaX
4.)Yogurt
5.)OneBlueAugust
6.)X
7.)Y
8.)Y
9.)

So I posted that we've got a Medic problem, and PM'd you to ask you your role after you've been dodging the question for days and you still won't answer me. I think you're scum because at this point I doubt any townie would avoid something that would obviously clear up so much confusion.

If you really are a medic, then the suspicion stays on you and Mafia probably wont kill you tonight.
If you aren't a medic and a vigilante doesn't kill you tonight, then you are certainly on the chopping block tomorrow. And by that point I wouldn't really care what your role was because your excuse is bullshit.

Good riddance ^_^


Ace, just brininging up this old post.

We know wurm was a paramedic. It seems to me that the medic who disagreed with him is false.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 12 2008 22:16 GMT
#4338
Also, Im going back through the old posts, and people were saying mandalor didnt have any clues.

He did.

Martial.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
HeRoS)Pink
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-12 23:15:42
April 12 2008 23:11 GMT
#4339
On April 13 2008 04:55 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
L, called me a retard when I pointed out a clue towards EvilMonkey
I called you a retard because you can't add. The fact that you thought that decaf was cutting wires specifically because of the thematic link to being an animal also didn't make sense.

As for evilmonkey being mafia or not, I'm pretty sure everyone was operating on very few clues + the dt list, much like we all were when we voted for trancestorm. I didn't defend him at all, I just thought that your reasoning was kinda weak and totally didn't fit. Ie. Decaf shouldn't be under suspicion because of the animal/wire link, but that's kinda obvious now due to monkey being mafia, that's all.

And yeah, i've been meaning to ask you. You post quite a bit, but you edit a large amount of your posts. I've seen a few of the uneditted versions, and they all seem to be like 20 line analysis which are fairly decent, but then i go to check where you go the information from, and the post is gone by the time i get back. More importantly, the timestamps on your edits are actually after successive posts, which means you posted something, double posted in certain cases, then went back and editted both posts for some reason.

most specifically, pages 213 and 214, which comprise like your 7 most recent posts before the night post by chuiu.

I'm not going to say this means you're mafia, because i'm pretty sure that dt evidence + clues are far more important, but like.. why would you edit such a massive amount of information out of your posts?

Im never removing information from my edit : I have already pointed out in this thread that english isnt my first language, so my edit are mostly to correct grammar
Edit : put thread instead of channel
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
April 12 2008 23:32 GMT
#4340
ace you are in trouble only 2/6 bodyguards left
OMG you nasty gurl
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