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Joe = ulszz
Reason : in his quote he have * i need reminding*
Here's what he says in the text (joe) :
-(Eddie):We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner
(Joe) : You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!
-pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it
-I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something"
-he was supposed to kill you
Anyway this post will be forgetten in no time, like all my others.
But im 99% sure ulszz is Joe
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About the nails: First, the 5 nails that New104 finds are Empyrean's remains. Cottonmouth first fires 7 (1+6), then 3 more nails at him, and finally his last shot gets interrupted by The Wolf (0) therefore I'd also say this could link to Eti307.
Some mentioned suresh0t and the hammer reference (he's holding a hammer in his hand on his profile picture). He didn't really try (although he did) to defend himself, unlike a few mafia that we charged - I guess (this isn't hard to figure out) that they're all trying various tactics on evading the charges thrown at them. I find his behaviour suspicious, too.
I'd encourage those smarter than me to go further on these people. And LostYourSkills, too (he really has nothing in his profile, this has been cited over a dozen times. And that habitual luck is so outstanding...)
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On another note along with clue finding the next order of business:
check posts that caused innocents to be lynched.
Looking through the thread and seeing who advocated to lynch Ghar and Trancestorm will help us a lot.
Likewise, looking to see who wanted to prevent EvilMonkey and Mandalor lynchings would be a good idea also.
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On April 12 2008 21:53 Ace wrote:
On another note along with clue finding the next order of business:
check posts that caused innocents to be lynched.
Looking through the thread and seeing who advocated to lynch Ghar and Trancestorm will help us a lot.
Likewise, looking to see who wanted to prevent EvilMonkey and Mandalor lynchings would be a good idea also.
L, called me a retard when I pointed out a clue towards EvilMonkey
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what do you think ace of my accusation against Ulszz, He doesnt seem to have pmed you his role nor voted often
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Vote count for known Mafia and people not dead/confirmed innocent on the Mandalor list...I will not count inactive votes beyond the Mayoral election.
+ Show Spoiler [All Individual Votes] +Known Mafia Voting Patterns:BlindAlbino:Mayoral Vote: Randombum Day 2: str Day 3: str Day 4: araav Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu. Mandalor:+ Show Spoiler +
Mayoral Vote: Ace.
Day 2: Abstain. Died this cycle.
[Inactive?] + Show Spoiler +
Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.
Mayoral Vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.
Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar.
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Died this cycle
Mayoral Vote: None. Day 2: Two did not vote. Day 3: No second votes. Day 4: No votes/abstained. Day 5: ~ Suspect Voting Patterns:ieatkids5:+ Show Spoiler +
Mayoral Vote: Two voted for Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Useless
Day 5: Suresh0t and fusion.
Mayoral Vote: Fusion.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm and BlindAlbino.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.
[Inactive?] + Show Spoiler +
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Actually not on the Mandalor list in Chuiu's blog...?
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: L and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: SoleSteeler, no second vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Queasy
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Araav
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Araav
Day 5: Suresh0t and Fusion.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Siefu, no second vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.
Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Fusion
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Ninja4ever.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: L, no second vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Energies
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: d.arkive (Day before he blew himself up, however.)
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
[Inactive?] + Show Spoiler +
Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Randombum.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
TOTAL VOTE TALLY
minus Ace and Plexa to save me some time
~Mayoral Vote~
Abstain/No vote: One Mafia and eight suspects.
Ace: One Mafia and eleven suspects.
Fusion: No Mafia and two suspects.
Randombum: Two Mafia and eleven suspects.
Empyrean: No Mafia and twelve suspects. I do not think any Mafia would vote for Empyrean after knowing he's a detective, so maybe those who did should be considered somewhat vindicated.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.
Day 3:
No vote: One suspect.
Bumatlarge, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.
Ace, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.
Ghar, no second vote: Nine suspects.
Ghar and Wurm: Three suspects.
Ghar and Showtime!: Four suspects.
Ghar and Bumatlarge: Five suspects.
Ghar and Ninja4ever: One suspect.
Ghar and Randombum: One suspect.
Wurm, no second vote: Thirteen suspects.
Wurm and BlindAlbino: One suspect.
Wurm and Queasy: One (Shallow[Bay]) suspect.
Wurm and Showtime!: Two suspects.
Wurm and Bumatlarge: One suspect.
Day 4:
No vote/Abstain: Two Mafia and thirty-two suspects.
Useless: No Mafia and one suspect.
Trancestorm: No Mafia and six suspects.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.
Fusion: No Mafia and one suspect.
Energies: No Mafia and one suspect.
D.arkive: No Mafia and one (Energies) suspect.
Day 5:
No vote/Abstain: Twenty-two suspects, seventeen of which did not vote/abstained on Day 4 as well.
Evilmonkey and Siefu: Thirteen suspects.
Suresh0t and Fusion: Two suspects.
L and Siefu: One suspect.
Solesteeler, no second vote: One suspect.
Siefu, no second vote: One suspect.
Bugzitooni, no second vote: One suspect.
L, no second vote: One suspect.
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Sadly, my efforts seemed to have been for nil, as I can find no discernable patterns. I thought perhaps that the large portion of Mafia and original suspects that abstained on days 4 and 5 might point to something helpful, but so many people either stopped voting or abstained that it's buried any helpful material that might be there. : /
As for who I personally feel is guilty/innocent on the list...The only person I'm reasonably sure (outside of Ace/Plexa) that is innocent is Shallow. Not because of his voting for Queasy, but just his general helpful approach this game and that he's voted a straight townie line, aka not spreading votes all over the place.
I have some general suspicions about many of the people left, but nothing concrete lines up with them yet. Time to dive back into the profiles.
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I don't see why it's not a valid accusation. I was looking at his quote and the "I am a newbie" thing stood out to me, because Joe seems to have that newbie persona about him.
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MTF don't worry, as more info becomes available that list is going to get better. It's pretty helpful right now so we know who our "inactives" are and how to treat them.
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L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.
Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +Original Message:
hi!
i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:
"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."
this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.
now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...
Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)
... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.
furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.
and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.
Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.
Looking into others...
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On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote:L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty. Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +Original Message:
hi!
i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:
"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."
this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.
now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...
Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)
... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.
furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.
and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well. . Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall. Looking into others...
I dont think Eti307 is mafia
Reason : iirc, he was part of the mafia last game and he never said anything. dunno why he would do such accusations if he was mafia
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Aznvaliance made the first post about TranceStorm's name being connected to electricity. LTT posted the same idea a few pages later, but didn't seem too convinced of it.
Naib was advocating a double lynch to get both Useless (confirmed innocent now) and TranceStorm or Energies. Nothing solid on him, but his post rings of false enthusiasm to me. I'll look to see if I can connect anything to chess, royalty, or things that begin one way many times but always end up different later.
Nobody else really seems to have pushed for TranceStorm's demise.
GeneralStan questioned Ace's role after Ace told everyone to lynch Mandalor. BlindAlbino questioned Mandalors' guilt and then stated he believes str to be Mafia. Infundibulum made what could be interpreted as an almost passive-aggressive remark about Mandalor being doomed, then went on to accuse Ghar, str, Energies, Kau, and LostYourSkills.
Nobody else made any remarks of note that I saw. Nobody tried to stand in the way of Evilmonkey going down either, from what I saw.
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also, nice work on the evilmonkey guys :D
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On April 12 2008 23:13 MTF wrote:
Aznvaliance made the first post about TranceStorm's name being connected to electricity. LTT posted the same idea a few pages later, but didn't seem too convinced of it.
Naib was advocating a double lynch to get both Useless (confirmed innocent now) and TranceStorm or Energies. Nothing solid on him, but his post rings of false enthusiasm to me. I'll look to see if I can connect anything to chess, royalty, or things that begin one way many times but always end up different later.
Nobody else really seems to have pushed for TranceStorm's demise.
GeneralStan questioned Ace's role after Ace told everyone to lynch Mandalor. BlindAlbino questioned Mandalors' guilt and then stated he believes str to be Mafia. Infundibulum made what could be interpreted as an almost passive-aggressive remark about Mandalor being doomed, then went on to accuse Ghar, str, Energies, Kau, and LostYourSkills.
Nobody else made any remarks of note that I saw. Nobody tried to stand in the way of Evilmonkey going down either, from what I saw.
AznValiance is now officially innocent with the death of evilmonkey.
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From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
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Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?
old message:
MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler
are all confirmed innocent
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uh-oh
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I know it may look suspicious, but it is actually holidays. =P
I see where you're coming from Naib, but looking in the other two areas, are there ANY other clues you can relate to me other than some lucky kick from a couple of days ago?
I'm not Mafia, you can study all other clues and you will not find one relating to me.
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Can someone write down a list of everyone who is confirmed innocent now?
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On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote:
From: New104
Subject: Re: Detective Ability
Date: 4/2/08 03:13
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Original Message:
How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?
old message:
MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin(2)
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler
are all confirmed innocent
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uh-oh
Btw what does this actually mean?
it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia..
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ah nice job guys, shame for siefu but he had lots of clue so dont know. Caller correct when he said red moon was evilmonkey, so gj to him way back.
not sure who I suspect anymore as most of my suspect are confirm innocent.
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On April 13 2008 01:46 BlindAlbino wrote:
ah nice job guys, shame for siefu but he had lots of clue so dont know. Caller correct when he said red moon was evilmonkey, so gj to him way back.
not sure who I suspect anymore as most of my suspect are confirm innocent.
or maybe the list is false?
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