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By the way ydg, you haven't commented on my evidence against infun or changed your vote. Maybe you're mafia?  (I'm jk, but it just goes to show how someone completely innocent can act like a mafioso sometimes.) After seeing how Plexa made similar clue analyses and got them right every time (all the analyses that were similar to mine, that is), I am 100% confident that iNfuNdiBuLuM is Mr. Blonde. Honestly, I don't see how the clue evidence against a person could be any stronger than what we have against iNfuNdiBuLuM, so if you're not going to agree with this then you'll never agree with anything. ~_~ | ||
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On July 20 2008 05:57 ydg wrote: I like the "cutting off from 911," since it's 91 and not 911. ... That actually makes sense ... That actually makes a LOT of sense! I'm not sure whether it's a coincidence or whether you can read Chuiu's mind! :O Edit: the more I think about what you just said, the more I'm awe-struck, like "... wow, that's fucking genius". O_O I think if we can discover a really clever interpretation of "KF" like the one you just found for "91", then we'll have KF91 = Mr. Orange set in stone. I'll bet the clues in days 9, 10, and 20 are somehow related to "KF". Somehow... | ||
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 It is the hidden beauty created by Chuiu (/DapperDan) and infused into Mafia. | ||
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On July 20 2008 05:57 ydg wrote: If he turns green though..we'll just see what happens. If infun turns green, I will be mentally-defeated from this Mafia game. :S It'd be like one of those moments where your entire understanding of something (life, nature, etc.) is suddenly proven wrong, and you're left wondering how you can ever trust yourself again.  | ||
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On July 20 2008 06:14 ydg wrote: Wait didn't you link kf91 to 911? Lol I just said he was mafia before because there were no clues to anyone for Orange, and based on his voting history, and because of his quote and that Chuiu said that someone related to panic. I don't think the Day numbers have anything to do with the mafia, haha. But I shall try to find a connection. I think you misunderstood me... twice.  First of all, you just said that 91 is what you'd get if you "cut-off 911". The language you used to describe it EXACTLY MATCHES the way Mr. Orange has been "cutting-off 911". That's what makes it so amazing, and it REALLY reinforces my feeling that KF91 = Mr. Orange.  Second, you're right: the day numbers are unimportant. I was referring to the Mr. Orange clues on those days. I do not know how to link them to KF91 yet, but I suspect they can be linked to the "KF" in his name, somehow. | ||
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Edit: reading the post above this one now... Edit 2: actually, going for dinner, then reading it... | ||
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The Potassium Floride didn't seem like a good lead unfortunately, but I noticed I made some oversights in my earlier clue analyses.ONLY DAY 20 REMAINS TO BE LINKED TO KF91 Earlier I mentioned that days 7, 9, 10, 17, and 20 were giving me trouble. For the rest, I had found links to KF91 based on the theme of preventing people from "calling for help", or as ydg elegantly put it, "cutting off from 911". Then I mentioned two of these days can be linked to KF91's quote ("That was weird"). Actually, THREE of these days can be linked to the quote: Day 7: "useLess was sitting at home just watching TV when he heard a strange sound from outside his window." Day 9: "What he found was not normal to his eyes." Day 17: "Mr. Orange always thought out odd ways of killing his targets" Finally, on Day 10 it says, "Vharox started inching his way to his cell phone to call the cops when Mr. Orange was back on his feet this time with a more lethal weapon." So Mr. Orange does indeed cut Vharox off from 911. This leaves Day 20 as the only outstanding day where the themes "cut-off from 911" and "that was weird" are not present as far as I can tell. So we need to either figure out how one of these themes is present in that clue, or find some other way to link KF91 to it. | ||
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However, I just got an idea for Day 20 that I came up with only because of your "cut-off from 911" interpretation. The clue says, "He made sure all forms of escape were closed off as he made his way to his victim for the night." By doing so, perhaps Mr. Orange is physically cutting his victim off from 911, i.e. his victim cannot run away to the police? If you agree with this interpretation then we are done: we can establish a link between Mr. Orange and KF91 for EVERY day that Mr. Orange appears!  (In that case, we'll move on to jtan. And now, I will get my much-needed dinner...) | ||
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On July 20 2008 06:44 ydg wrote: What doesn't make sense is how, if he wanted to act quickly, why did he make sure all exits were sealed off? Also, if he went in and shot him and MasterOfChaos didn't have a chance, why did he want to seal off exits? That occurred to me, too. I didn't think it was strange enough to be a clue, but if you noticed it as well then it might be a clue after all. If it is a clue, then I think it is linked to KF91's quote: "That was weird" I agree with your latest post. The infun = green stuff is much less certain than the infun = red stuff, imo. But I'm not worried about it, because I'm so confident (probably over-confident!) he is Mr. Blonde. If infunidibulum turns green, Mafia won't have to kill me: I'll kill myself. | ||
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THE BELL TOLLS FOR THEE, MAFIA! We know who you are! Surrender now and our magician won't send you to the end of time! | ||
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On July 20 2008 15:33 ydg wrote: A problem though. I think infun was the last active mafia, since jtan and kf91, the two prospects for mafia, haven't really been active. So .. ? Also, if mafia hits all vets, and they all live, are there clues? Town has this in the bag. First we lynch KF91, then we lynch jtan, and it's game over.  Currently IMO we should lynch KF91 first, because I feel like we've pretty much tied him down to Mr. Orange 100%. jtan we have yet to finalize, but we should do so before Day 21 because we'll probably be dead by then. Also, we should make a post summarizing why iNfuNdiBuLuM, KF91, and jtan are Mr. Blonde, Mr. Orange, and Mr. Blue, respectively, then PM all the remaining townspeople and direct them to that post, asking them to vote for KF91 and jtan -- in that order, NO SPLIT VOTING -- based on those clues. Again, this has to be done before Day 21. Then the game will be all but over. PS: If the mafia did that then I believe there would be no clues, meaning we wouldn't be able to confirm that iNfuNdiBuLuM = Mr. Blonde. We shouldn't give them any ideas, but at this stage it doesn't really matter. | ||
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On July 20 2008 15:33 ydg wrote: EDIT: Wait, nevermind, KF91 came out of his silence to vote for infun, as his only post in the week! Maybe he's active. I give him a thumbs up for effort. But we're fully confident he's Mr. Orange and him suddenly voting for a mafioso (as opposed to when he voted for nemy, who ended up just 1 vote over bwdero) is not going to deter us. jtan is also at least semi-active, by the way, since he voted for nemy over bwdero, too. | ||
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Furthermore, iirc none of those mafia jtan voted for had any serious competition: they were sure to be lynched. Nemy, on the other hand, needed all 3 remaining mafia to vote for him in order to get him lynched over bwdero. Guys, I think it's time to do one of those clue analyses on jtan = Mr. Blue and finalize it. | ||
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In the worst case scenario, if either KF91 or jtan turns up green, then we should lynch HotZhot. Recall the list of people who voted for nemy: jtan hotzhot kf91 ahrara_ Since nemy was lynched with a vote count of 7 to 6 (vs bwdero, who really was mafia), we can be all but certain that the remaining 3 mafia voted for nemy. If we cross-reference this list with the list of remaining mafia candidates from the non-Mandalor list, we get: jtan hotzhot kf91 Assuming all 3 mafia voted for nemy (a very likely assumption), we are certain that 2 of these 3 people are mafia. So in just 3 more mafia days at the most, the town will be victorious. | ||
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I think Ziel / DTDominion should be our "Plan C" if only one of KF91, jtan, and HotZhot turns up red. | ||
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Mr. Blue clues Day 1: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out. Day 6: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + Things were still not quiet. Joe, Mr. Blue, and California Mountain Snake found aZnvaLiaNce working very late this evening. They intruded into the office buildings he was at and quickly found him doing repetitive boring paperwork in his drab cubicle. Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in. Day 7: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating. Day 9: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + There was no plan. Five mafia set out tonight to get revenge for those they had lost. MTF was cruising along looking for a friend he had to give a ride home for. What he found was not normal to his eyes. Two men, Eddie and Mr. Orange were holding a man to the ground with their legs and pulling as hard as they could on his arms. MTF screeched to a stop and got out to help the man but it was too late and blood gushed all over the sidewalk as ~OpZ~ was literally disarmed. He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car. MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off. Day 10: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + smurfingchobo was the last the mafia were after that night. He let his dogs out before going to bed and they started barking at something in the yard. Neither smurfingchobo nor the dogs could see who it was but they all heard him moving about. The barking came to a stop as blades met their mark on each dogs head killing them all. smurfingchobo took a few steps closer to see one of his dogs decapitated from Mr. Blue's blades when he soon met the same fate as they had. Day 11: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + The last victim of the night was in the same area as the first. Mr. Blue heard from California Mountain Snake about the white vans and killing off a medic so he decided to go in for his own kill. He quickly found HeRoS)Pink sitting alone in his van just listening to the radio. Mr. Blue was driving a rather over sized excavator and he grabbed the van from the front to the back and pinned HeRoS)Pink in place as he carried the vehicle to the town dump. HeRoS)Pink was helpless and couldn't move an inch the whole time as Mr. Blue dropped his van into a car shredder. Pretty soon HeRoS)Pink and his van were in tiny pieces. Day 16: (probably applies to Mr. Blue) + Show Spoiler [no name] + rpf on the other hand was expecting someone, he felt the danger to his life for days and slept very little at night keeping alert and defensive. But what he didn't expect was someone to kill him without even setting foot in his home. A giant buzzsaw cut in from the side of his house and tore his body apart from the behind. It was overkill, but the mafia were sick and tired of wasting hits on people like rpf. Day 18: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + Blonde. Blue. Orange. Cottonmouth. These names rang through the heads of every towns person. Many frantically tried to connect them with individuals within their community, many tried to connect them with neighbors. The names conveyed themes. One was a theme of panic. One of haste and arrogance. One of determination and humor. And one of a hidden agenda. Though the town had been making great progress in evicting the mafia from their once peaceful and flourishing town this evening they felt a sharp fear of pain with uncertainty of the remaining criminals. Within the first couple hours of the night the mafia had all made their move. Amber[LighT] had died first from sharp blades that tore at his skin. Pangolin suffocated in his sleep with no chance to even cry for help. And finally ZBiR had taken a sharp dive down a cliff which he never recalled scaling into the ground. Day 19: (could be Mr. Blonde or Mr. Blue) + Show Spoiler [no name] + Wind swiftly blew down from overhead as SiZ.Fantasy left the local 7-11 with his bright blue berry slushie in hand. Little did he know his life was in danger as he walked down the street towards his house. His soon-to-be killer jumped from roof to roof waiting for the right moment to strike. When SiZ.Fantasy accidentally dropped the lid to his drink was that moment. He bent over to pick it up, being the good little law abiding citizen he was he, but never got up because as SiZ.Fantasy was doing so a blade sliced him up like confetti. Day 20: + Show Spoiler [Mr. Blue] + Mr. Blue didn't wish to risk getting caught either, the police undoubtedly on their way already, so he went for his stealth kill from outside the building approach. He backed his truck up to the room Fen was in and slid out a huge buzz-saw contraption. With a little alignment and some prep work he flipped a switch and it went to work. Cutting cleanly and swiftly through the wall Fen had no chance to survive or get out of its way. | ||
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Suspects: - DTDominion: name contains "DT" - HotZhot: voted for nemy but not linked to any Mr. Blue clues yet - jtan: photo shows a lurker attacking marines which dodge out of the way - Ziel: photo shows the ultralisk icon I've also included KF91's (Mr. Orange's) and [red]iNfuNdiBuLuM[red]'s (Mr. Blonde's) voting patterns. + Show Spoiler [voting patterns for all 20 days] + Day 1 (voting for mayor): DTDominion - none HotZhot - abstain iNfuNdiBuLuM - randombum jtan - none KF91 - none Ziel - ghar Elected: Ace (30) Next highest: randombum (28) Day 2: DTDominion - none HotZhot - abstain iNfuNdiBuLuM - Mandalor jtan - none KF91 - Hittegods Ziel - none Lynched: Mandalor (58) Next highest: ghar (7) Day 3 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - abstain iNfuNdiBuLuM - ghar and Showtime! jtan - none KF91 - abstain Ziel - abstain Lynched: wurm (35) and ghar (30) Next highest: bumatlarge (11) and Showtime! (11) Day 4: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - none KF91 - abstain Ziel - none Lynched: TranceStorm (13) Next highest: araav (3) Day 5 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - Siefu and Evilmonkey. iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - none KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: Siefu (a lot) and Evilmonkey. (a lot) Next highest: suresh0t (3) Day 6: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - crazie-penguin jtan - none KF91 - L Ziel - none Lynched: crazie-penguin (21) Next highest: L (10) Note: clazziquai and crazie-penguin also voted for L Day 7 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - L and Ulszz iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - none KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: L (34) and Ulszz (27) Next highest: suresh0t (2) Day 8 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - LoStYouRSkiLLS and ieatkids5 jtan - none KF91 - LoStYouRSkiLLS Ziel - none Lynched: LoStYouRSkiLLS (36) and ieatkids5 (26) Next highest: clazziquai (3) Day 9: DTDominion - none HotZhot - GeneralStan iNfuNdiBuLuM - GeneralStan jtan - none KF91 - GeneralStan Ziel - none Lynched: GeneralStan (28) Next highest: many people (1) Day 10 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - DamageControl and RowdierBob iNfuNdiBuLuM - DamageControl jtan - none KF91 - DamageControl and Ninja4ever. Ziel - none Lynched: DamageControL (24) and Unforgiven_ve (17) Next highest: Ninja4ever.(8) Note: Unforgiven_ve, Bockit, clazziquai, BWdero, and SpiritoftheTuna all voted for Ninja4ever. Note: no one else voted for RowdierBob Day 11: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - none KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: clazziquai (18) Next highest: suresh0t (2) and nemy (2) Note: BuGzlToOnl has been voting for nemy for pretty much the entire game. Day 12 (double lynch): DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - LTT and SpiritoftheTuna KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: LTT (25) and SpiritoftheTuna (24) Next highest: 0cz3c (1) and nemy (1) Day 13: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - abstain jtan - randombum KF91 - randombum Ziel - none Lynched: randombum (20) Next highest: nemy (2) Note: the only known mafia to vote on this day was iNfuNdiBuLuM, and he explicitly abstained. Day 14: DTDominion - none HotZhot - Bockit iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - Bockit KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: Bockit (12) Next highest: nemy (2) Note: just like Day 13, the only known mafia to vote on this day was iNfuNdiBuLuM, and he explicitly abstained. Day 15: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - 0cz3c jtan - 0cz3c KF91 - 0cz3c Ziel - none Lynched: 0cz3c (15) Next highest: nemy (1) Note: suresh0t also voted for 0cz3c. Day 16: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - nemy KF91 - suresh0t Ziel - none Lynched: suresh0t (8) Next highest: nemy (4) Note: KF91 voted after it was already 7-4 and about to move to night. Note: suresh0t also voted for nemy. Day 17: DTDominion - none HotZhot - SoMuchBetter iNfuNdiBuLuM - str jtan - nemy KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: str (7) Next highest: nemy (2) Day 18: DTDominion - none HotZhot - nemy iNfuNdiBuLuM - nemy jtan - nemy KF91 - nemy Ziel - none Lynched: nemy (7) Next highest: bwdero (6) Day 19: DTDominion - none HotZhot - BuGzlToOnl iNfuNdiBuLuM - none jtan - none KF91 - none Ziel - none Lynched: bwdero (5) Next highest: Fen (1), BuGzlToOnl (1), and KF91 (1) Day 20: DTDominion - none HotZhot - none iNfuNdiBuLuM - jtan, then CDRdude jtan - none KF91 - iNfuNdiBuLuM Ziel - none Lynched: iNfuNdiBuLuM (11) Next highest: CDRdude (2) | ||
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