Erm, fusion -- you're just posting what we have already read. You're not making any links to any of the quotes (not entirely helpful just blabbing).

Edit: Missed post ahead of me. Yeah, that's more helpful.

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United States564 Posts

April 09 2008 20:32 GMT

#3933

Yeah, I don't think Shallow is in mafia this round. He is a completely different person now. He's not trying to start arguments, He's not making fake PMs, or causing general chaos in the town. His psychological approach this game is RADICALLY different than that of the last game.

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United States564 Posts

April 11 2008 00:38 GMT

#4090

I thought Shallow this game is most blatantly NOT mafia. He's acting entirely differently since the last game and his psychological approach to this mafia game seems more suited to help us win.

Fusion, you think it's GeneralStan because of the army clues, right?
It seems convincing, but I think Plexa countered that by saying that the clues are all over the place (and Chuiu isn't setting up clues like that this game).

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United States564 Posts

April 13 2008 03:34 GMT

#4357

Pink, I think they might be that obvious in some cases. I remember that last game Chuiu had a clue pointing towards Shallow that said, "That was low, even for you."

The thing is, when I tried to find characters that would relate to him, it was several (basically anything with knives or weaponry, since gladius implies just that).

In this case, it doesn't seem to link to him, but, in general, I don't think we should exclude blatant clues as not being clues.

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United States564 Posts

April 13 2008 03:42 GMT

#4360

Pink, when you seached, did you search for Spoinka and got Spoink (a pokemon, ^_^), or did you search for Spoink (and cut off the 'a'.).

There might be a ton of Pokemon references that Chuiu might have made that have been overlooked, but this would only be the case if you searched for Spoinka.

(I just seached "Spoinka" in Google, and the first two pages only showed usernames with Spoinka).

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United States564 Posts

April 13 2008 19:32 GMT

#4411

Fusion, does the space fragment between the two show that the bottom is more certain, or the top, or does it not have any significance (personally to me the top seems more convincing (most have clues linked to them that have been mentioned several times (with the exception of shallow -- his behavior just DOES NOT SEEM to be behavior of a mafia) seem strong), but that's a larger field than the out-of-four).

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United States564 Posts

April 13 2008 22:00 GMT

#4420

Well, this is the second time people have wondered about the public signature I have, so it might be fitting to translate it now so that there are no gray shadows in its meaning. And I always love an oppounity to talk about Cicero!

The lines, in Latin, read, ""Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!"

Translated idiomatically into English, they mean, "You don't dare deny it, do you? Why are you silent? I will convict you, if you deny it: I see that here there are certain men who were with you. Good gods!" This indeed is Cicero's First Oration Against Catiline, told in 63 BC in front of the Senate. Its point was to expose a conspiracy that Cicero discovered through an interception of letters by (I believe) Crassus. The conspiracy was an attempt by Catiline, a Roman Patrician, to overthrow the government in Rome. That year he lost against Cicero in the elections for consul (CIcero's consulship took place in 63 B.C.).

Catiline's family had always been distinguished and very old; however, they never held the highest office (the consulship). Catiline essentially wasted his family's fortune, and he also attempted to run for the consulship several times (of course, he never was voted it). Feeling that he had run out of options and that he would never become consul, he formed a conspiracy with men such as Manlius so that he might actually attain the position.

In the first speech, Cicero addresses to the crowds the terms of the conspiracy. Before the speech, he has not yet heard from Catiline, but he paints the man as a monster (he does this because his life was in danger before this conspiracy was revealed). He's not sure where Catiline is, but he knows that he is in Rome, and with all the conspirators unknown (some were known, but not all), Cicero at the time of this speech is still afraid of them (they still are a threat for his life and the Roman State), so he announces to them to leave Rome.

I think you might have a discepancy there, for Cicero talks about the type of conspirators among Catiline in his second oration and not his first (it is much less urgent, still as vehement, but not nearly as efficiently agressive). I'm not entirely certain of it (though I should be -.-), but I believe that these speeches were either said in late October through early Decemeber, or from late November through early December.

A small portion of this post was aimed to clear up my signature so that all clue-finding townies have everything possible to work with, but another portion is also aimed for them (while they match up clues) to realize quickly that I'm not in mafia. I think I illuminated more on the topic of my signature for you guys than any measure of Chuiu's knowledge on the quote. I understand that not understanding a signature or name can be frustrating (I tried earlier on, and with the magnitude of the field, it was just overwhelming), so this was an attempt to provide you with a depth of info on my signature. Regarding my name, I don't think it means anything -- I randomly chose letters that when combined sound like a word.

The leading reason I think I decided to post this is to inform you guys about this historical events. To me its common knowledge, but it appears that MTF posting its circumstances implies that its not. I highly recommend reading the Orations Against Catiline (even if in English) -- I think they are Cicero's most emotional and powerful speeches he has ever uttered.

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United States564 Posts

April 14 2008 22:08 GMT

#4497

Sureshot, that's really not helping the town by saying that you predict he's just going to turn up green. It would be much more helpful in explaining how ALL the many references to him are wrong. He doesn't even say that he's not mafia. He's just alluding to being green, which any smart mafia would do. Although I'm not saying that I think he's 100% mafia, you should not just say, "I predict he's green. And he's going to die." That's really not helpful.

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United States564 Posts

April 15 2008 01:28 GMT

#4531

Erm, wasn't that clue meant to point towards Quesy?

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United States564 Posts

June 13 2008 21:15 GMT

#6170

Guys, even if I were mafia, which I'm not, it would not be beneficial for you, as my fellow townies, to kill me. I would clearly have been the least active mafia in the entire game. Looking in the past two pages, I can see more viable choices. I'm not sure what has happened in the past almost 250 pages, but remember Empyrean, would was wildly active last game and screwed the townies over as well? I'd bet that's happening here, too.

Consider the claim that I am mafia. I have literally been inactive from this game since almost it's start (sorry, I know I wasn't helping you town, but by keeping low, I kept myself from being killed by the mafia (and I also lost interest in the game).

For my claim to be effective, you have to consider what has been said about me. Someone mentioned that I've been active in other thread other than this game. That's false. Utterly not true. How could it be, when, since the game has started, I've posted more in this thread than in outside of it. That's a ridiculous claim -- I've been studying for exams and actually taking final exams these past two weeks to even have time to be active in this thread.

I haven't even had time to look at any of the recent day or night posts to see what nonsense you guys are using to actually claim I'm mafia. But what is certain is that I'm not mafia. I'd be willing to forward my PM from Chuiu, although I won't fearing I'll be expelled from the next game, in which I'll be able to be far more active (with it being the summer).

I voted for Randumbum when everyone else seemed to because I was doing just that -- bandwagoning. I was assuming that something must have happened that changed so many votes before mine; furthermore, he actually asked for my vote before the game, which gained, in my eyes, confidence. Glancing at who is dead now and spotting him a saboteur implies that my decision to vote for him was not smart. I didn't know that at the time. But I have had nothing to do with any of the mafia at any point in this game -- I promise you that.

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United States564 Posts

June 13 2008 22:47 GMT

#6173

Well, if by weird you mean logical and sensible, then yes, it was weird!

By that, I was trying to be nice and tell my townies nicely that it would be stupid to vote for me, but I don't think you caught that =o.

Zbir, I'm not sure what you mean. What you have just said is illogical. I have not listed any suspicions towards any mafia, and, being away from the game for so long, I would NOT be the person to suggest any suspicions.

There's something else that's ticking me off. Whoever translated "O tempores! O mores!" did a VERY poor job. I doubt mores can ever (in fact, it won't) translate to "manners"; rather it's "morals" or "customs." Although any Google Search recognizes how famous these lines are, it never does an accurate translation of lines of such importance.

I'm catching up on all of the topics, but as of right now, I'm confirming that any of those boat or Cicero random references are misinterpretations and purely coincidental.

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United States564 Posts

June 14 2008 00:21 GMT

#6176

The entire United States doesn't revolve around the public school system.

These "assumptions" are the idiots way out.

I go to a Jesuit private high school entitled Regis High School. Check on their website when our school year ends (or rather, ended this Wednesday) before making any more damaging and incorrect assumptions.

Based on the effort you put into ensuring accuracy in your post, I'm almost convinced that you're mafia.

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United States564 Posts

June 14 2008 00:23 GMT

#6177

And I've been reading through some of the pages in this thread, and surprisingly, it appears that my name has been up for quite some time, so you're once more unsuccessful in getting your assumptions to be accurate. This further embodies my claim that you are mafia.

I actually was inactive, as I mentioned, because of tests. Unlike many Americans, I actually have a work ethic and hold a desire for good grades. School is before leisure for me. That explains my inactiveness. What, therefore, could explain my return to leisure, hmmm?

Edits: Grammatical mistakes...

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United States564 Posts

June 14 2008 13:23 GMT

#6188

And that matters to me being away from the game almost all game, right?

Nice try, mafia.

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United States564 Posts

June 17 2008 23:15 GMT

#6233

Oh. Red means I'm mafia! Here I was thinking I was townie all game long >.>

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