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I have my reasons. Also, Dr Dragoon is either stupid or very brilliant. Let's lynch him because both options are bad for us as a town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Day One] + "We knew there was a spy amongst us, but I never thought it would be you! Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker", are baseless. Why? Because, the person speaking is the mafia, and the good game refers to dapper dan. If anything, I'm represented as dapper dan, not the mafia. | ||
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sooo it doesn't really matter | ||
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i believe fakesteve has a high probability of being mafia. i need more clues to be more than 50% sure on this though I officially change my vote I vote for MiniMoose | ||
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On February 13 2008 09:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: The mafioso who kills DapperDan says it. Anything in the post could be a clue, no? I thought that was said earlier. that's fine, it could be true the only reason i changed my vote from smb, is that there's a bunch of clues that could point to SMB being mafia (SMB to have a knife, acting SMB than others while scolding them for immaturity and so on) and similar things for fakesteve (multiple clues in day one) and i believe there's a relationship between the two that's all.  | ||
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ok dota time! be back in a bit ;D hope night starts before i go to sleep today | ||
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On February 13 2008 13:57 ulszz wrote: At the moment I'm suspicious of JeeJee because of the clue in the first day and because of his post accusing infinity21 of being a towny with special powers. Why would a towny ever point out what fellow townys have powers. I'm also suspicious of fakesteve and his random lynching. However, this might just be how he rolls. well, as i understand it, mafia can also have special roles yes? i simply said he had something to hide. also, is it possible for a paramedic to watch himself during the night? would that make him as veteran 2.0? moreover, if pardoner is under effect of bodyguards (which i assume are randomly selected from townies with no special abilities), does he know who they are? it says only the mayor knows, but that doesn't make a lot of sense just clarifying a few issues O_o | ||
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On February 13 2008 14:13 GeneralStan wrote: Are you people nuts? Look at the way FakeSteve spoke! Altheios brought up the near certainty that FakeSteve was mafia, and now he's dead. He will continue to kill anybody who speaks out against him, and he's dangerous. Look, even if FakeSteve isn't mafia (which he almost certainly is) then he's a vicious sociopath and he's dangerous with the mayor's powers. We need a rational government in this time of chaos, and FakeSteve doesn't fit the bill. Thus, we kill him. you're so dead that said, i do suspect FS of being mafia. there's in fact 2 clues in the day one post that point to him indirectly (but when combined, it's pretty direct. or maybe i'm reading too much into it) i think we're both gonna die to a double lynch <3 | ||
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does that simply mean the top 2 people who get voted get lynched? | ||
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On February 13 2008 14:19 GeneralStan wrote: God damn it JeeJee. Come to your senses. Look at all the suspicious and irrational things FakeSteve has said. Tracil has said nothing but reasonable things, and damn it the Mafia doesn't get ahead by saying reasonable things. FakeSteve is dangerous, Mafia or not. mafia doesn't get ahead by unreasonable things either. mafia gets ahead by putting up a reasonable front while conducting murder operations on the backend ;-) here's some more random accusations based on day one clues i have a precise list somewhere, but i'll do these from memory evan, there was something about joy, and his name stars with a phonetic e so depending on how you view iaagh... hotzhot, who else would talk down to his mafia members? he thinks he's such a hotshot doesn't he? more more more! this is fun  | ||
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On February 13 2008 14:26 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: Everyone is being overly paranoid. Wait for more clues instead of acusing somebody! if we focus on the clues then we might get a score on mafia or two! you want us to delay so that your mafia buddies can have more free shots at us kind townies! fat chance! haha ok i'm done now :D sleepy time | ||
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if not, i'll post my list of people i think are fairly likely to be mafia (i was really bored today at work and i went through the thread in its entirety twice, made a list, then went through the posts of the specific people to see if they still held up) and of course, i always have an option to simply give u temporary access to my account so u can witness my role PM for yourself (this part i've also done thinking through, and the answer you give, will tell everyone a lot, not only about me, but about your role as well) but i'm against last wills in general. i'm pretty sure if mafia decided to kill you, they won't let you leave a note | ||
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On February 14 2008 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: [NotGameRelated]This shit is so addicting that you risk getting fired by playing it at work :p i make it look like it's an e-book nobody looks too closely at what's actually written ( i c&p the text of entire thread elsewhere obviously) | ||
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p.s. the OP still doesn't clarify my earlier question: can paramedics watch themselves? it says they can watch a player, not watch "other" player, this is a pretty important distinction to make i believe | ||
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On February 14 2008 13:11 Falcynn wrote: Yeah, because if the game dies then you won't get to use your awesome mafia powers isn't that right?!?!?!?!?!?! /wildaccusation edit: that goes double for you Folca i smell a mafia edit! lynch! | ||
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On February 15 2008 00:07 Chuiu wrote: If I find out people are account swapping to learn each others roles they will be kicked from the game and banned from playing future ones. ok i suppose that's good to know considering i have no idea what draws an arbitrary line between allowing screenshots/movies and not allowing PM access (i suppose if i bothered to prove that it's possible to spoof PMs, this rule would be lifted) I already sent a few pm's about this ( was attempting to form a townie alliance), gonna have to call them off now edit: just to clarify, no actual account 'trading' has taken place as for this: lw2 wrote this Back to FakeSteve. There are two explanations as to why FS has gotten so many votes while doing virtually nothing. First is the obvious: FS is a mafia. If FS is a mafia then a good majority of his votes would be mafia's, which would, as stated earlier, explain why such little campaigning was needed. This makes sense to me because if FS's name was included in the list of mafia's, then it is obvious that he would play the role as "leader" of the mafia. It fits his nature, his position in TLnet, and most of all his character. The second explanation is the one that has been taken up by many of FS's voters. They vote FS because.... he's FS. He's a well-known rekrul-like figure at TLnet. He has a status at TLnet, much higher above the other candidates. This fact alone could easily explain why FS got so many votes. i sincerely doubt it's the first explanation because all a detective has to do is use his power to determine how many mafia voted for this candidate then if the number is significant, give up his detective status and tell us "hey in this list of 14 votes, 8 are mafia gg!". that's an easy trade anyone would make (cutting mafia in half vs losing 1 detective? psht) it's more likely to the be the second imo | ||
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On February 15 2008 09:57 Chuiu wrote: There is no arbitrary line. You can fake screenshots/movies of PM's until the end of time but once you let someone log onto your account and read the PM himself then its 100% undeniable what your role is to them. check your pm it is why i said arbitrary line, everything can be faked. | ||
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On February 15 2008 14:33 Chuiu wrote: So you created a new user with the name of " Chuiu", big whoop. Anyone who can use their eyes can clearly see that space or any minor differences in characters. http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user= Chuiu not in the PM window you can't. unless you're using some browser other than IE or FF. The only way you can tell on those browsers is if you mouseover reply and look at the link, and a regular person would have no reason to do that because most users would just take it at face value, the only reason they'd even suspect forgery of PM (as the general consensus is that it's not possible) if it was sent to them from themselves (case in point, you) | ||
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i hope i don't die *crosses fingers* this is gonna be intense needs like an RSS feed for this thread lol | ||
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 i'll hold off on voting until some more info become available edit: and yes i do find it rather odd that a bodyguard happened to die this night. i mean taking into account the odds, it seems much more likely it was a decision made with sure knowledge? hmm | ||
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actually if FS was mafia, he WOULD have a reason to kill his bodyguards. I mean, first of all he doesn't care because he's safe even if 3 of them are dead (because mafia won't kill him and vigilantes can't til 4th is dead), and moreover because analysis like yours might pop up (mayor needs bg's to live, why would he kill his own bg, he must be townie) in addition, he knows whether tracil is mafia or not. if tracil isn't, FS might not want a townie in such a strong position, and may consider slowly killing off bg's then eliminate tracil. this is risky of course because if a vigilante wants FS dead, then FS might wait until the vigilantes were hit so he can eliminate tracil without risk. this might explain the apparent randomness of the killings (like beta,evan, etc.) they may have been searching for vig's. edit: oh and as for the dragoon issue.. at this point it doesn't even matter if he's townie or not. he a) refused to dispute evidence against him, b) refused to provide evidence against others, c) doesn't want the town to win | ||
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On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote: A) I disputed the evidence against me like 10 times already? If you don't see it, reread the thread. where's you disputing the serum<=>doctor accusation? On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote: B) I said I'll provide evidence against others if I live through the night. Just pardon me or something. I provide a for sure mafia lynch, all is well. If the person isn't mafia and I'm just lying, just lynch me. this proves my point c On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote: C) I don't consider myself a winner if I'm dead. To be honest, I'm more or less neutral on the teams since I don't know exactly who is mafia and who isn't. this proves my point c | ||
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and your c statement is obvious too. you don't consider yourself a winner unless you're alive. that's great but it's not a townie attitude. if you're a townie, your goal should be to get hit before anyone with specials get hit so that the specials may have 1 more night to wtfpwn the mafia. you should also act like a townie and make sure you don't get wrongly lynched, making town waste a day. this is a TEAM game, this is TOWN vs MAFIA. nobody can win this by themselves, and they shouldn't aim to. you'd make a shitty dota teammate. | ||
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On February 17 2008 04:47 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Heh..People are giving up the chance to get 3 mafia members because they don't like me and want me dead now. The situation in not killing me today would basically be 1: You get a mafia person to lynch 2: I'm wrong and you lynch me a day later So the argument that I should die now is basically because you don't want town to win. Cool I'm gonna be out for awhile, I look forward to everyone's hateful posts when I get back  No, I didn't word anything wrong. I said you don't want the town to win and I stand by that statement. I mean this post is a prime example of this. Like I said, if you were a townie, you'd share your suspicions with us (I mean look at everyone else), and keep in mind that's all they are - suspicions, not 'for-sure lynches' so stop calling them as such and trying to puff yourself up to something you're not. Put yourself in a townie's shoes (yeah a bit obvious implication there). You're being threatened to die, and you think you know something we don't. what sounds more of a team player attitude: a) fully disclose your suspicions, making the townies think twice and possibly reconsider b) blackmail and insult the town yeah.. | ||
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On February 17 2008 09:07 Chuiu wrote: EDIT: Ah, I can move to night this evening as it seems a lot of people have decided who they want lynched. yeah i don't think anyone will object to this; the conclusion is pretty obvious I vote for rts)nightmare here. 2nd vote goes to hotzhot for oh so many reasons but he won't get lynched tonight I suppose.edit: i'll make my case for hotzhot tomorrow since it's irrelevant now | ||
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1) compile a list of people who haven't said anything aside from voting/agreeing to play the game 2) pick a random one and lynch them 3) ??? 4) profit | ||
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On February 18 2008 12:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Because saying "I am about to make a proposal which you will be unable to turn down" is a lot less intimidating than "I'm gonna make you an offer you cannot refuse" for some reason this reminded me of that mathnews comic (waterloo math faculty paper) where the mathie is being held for ransom or something and he's told "im going to make you an offer you can't refuse" a hilarious answer follows but i can't find the comic halp! | ||
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the list i sent to him was this (note it's not the complete PM, but its the part he replied to): + Show Spoiler [mylist] + *'s = im fairly certain %'s = could easily go either way undecided on caller infinity21* hotzhot* fakesteve% Caller amber[light]* SoMuchBetter% and here's his reply + Show Spoiler [shallow's reply] + I've actually been suspecting a few of them of being mafia myself, particulary infinity21 (his posting habits are strange, it seems he only posts when attention is directed towards other people). I've learned that voicing your suspicions quickly gets the mob turned against you, so I've stopped publicly interpreting clues, although I haven't come up with anything new at this point. SoMuchBetter is iffy, I don't know where he stands but he has more chance of being mafioso than FakeSteve in my opinion. knowing that he is mafia, take from this what you will | ||
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On February 20 2008 09:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: pff obviously shopped xD anyway if i were mafia, it's likely i wouldn't draw direct attention to any mafia members in a suspect list from a townie, but might mention it "as-it-were" in passing. as a result, i'd have to call SMB and fakesteve mafia, but infinity21 i'm still leaving on my previous suspicion level (somewhere about 70%) =) edit: southlight if you're townie we gotta talk on GGC | ||
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note i haven't cast my vote yet L2W: please stay within the rules. The above comment was editted because he stepped over his boundaries. You should respect that too. excuse me? what rules? i find this edit just proves your guilt considering what i said =/ | ||
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=/ anyway i am going to cast my vote now and it's going to be, predictably, for live2win | ||
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why? unlike fs, ill give an explanation disclaimer: i believe fs is mafia ok a vote for caller, what does this mean? FS has stated caller is bodyguard, so if you vote for caller you're either mafia or don't trust FS. if you don't trust FS, why not vote for him (i'll tell you why not in a moment). if you're mafia, it's irrelevant, i hope you diaf <3. now, a vote for FS. why are you doing this? who gives a shit if he's mafia. if the town wants to declare a double lynch and he won't do it, ok re-evaluate (read: lynch him) when that happens. until then, that power is too valuable to pass up. as for l2w.. there's something still fishy. there are suggestions that he's telling the truth (earlier on he asked if a special gets to keep his power if elected for mayor/pardoner, yet he didn't try to run so this might be as relevant as a piece of fruit cake) i'll think about it some more don't declare night yet please chuiu, half the town dont know what they want and the other half are stupid | ||
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On February 22 2008 09:53 Tracil wrote: I would rather day was extended and a double lynch was used. Me too and I'll make a case for those wondering FS - NO lynch. why? read last post of previous page Caller - NO lynch, why? read last post of previous page L2W - if you want. i'm hard pressed to find anyone else that even remotely references syringes/injections/experimentation (which is a repeated clue, so we're obviously not mis-interpreting it as not a clue). if you got another target for this clue, feel free to mention it SMB - where did this guy go? i dont think a townie would portray himself as a mafia during his election for the lulz. and he's gone now. if you want, he's a not bad target `chicken - kicking? i dunno, seems a stretch to me, i don't think this is a good target ill edit this when i have time to analyse more people and give reasonings for the last | ||
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On February 22 2008 10:32 Empyrean wrote: Ok. I'm voting yes on the extension, just to see how this all resolves out. And where the hell is the Detective? could be not playing, could be thinking that it's not wise to reveal themselves yet, etc. does anyone feel like making a list of the people who've said nothing at all (and are still alive?). or maybe only voted, but nothing you know, discussion wise. might give an interesting perspective there | ||
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if fakesteve is getting lynched the town is so screwed --- change your votes guys seriously look at the BEST case scenario FS is mafia so what? mafia still have 6 kills, and we don't have double lynches (which fakesteve uses liberally, so it's not as if we wouldn't have them if he lived) as far as the town is concerned, he's a useful mayor CHANGE YOUR DAMN VOTES | ||
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what do you have to gain by lynching fakesteve? assuming best case scenario, town STILL becomes worse off when he's dead comments? | ||
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On February 23 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:Tracil can pardon himself (i think) Original Post In Thread wrote The pardoner may not pardon himself, and he may not pardon more than one person per day. yes it slipped my mind that tracil can pardon fakesteve so all's not lost if people don't change their votes (i'm assuming tracil is on town's side here) | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:01 Romance_us wrote: How do you figure? He's using his advantage votes to vote for TRACIL, I don't see how it could possibly be worse if he were dead. If he were to use his stacked votes to go with us, or at least have a better explanation as to why to stray from our path, other than Tracil being "pessimistic", then yes, I would reconsider. But... uhm we don't have double lynches if he's dead? btw there's no "us" right now. have you seen how the voting is spread? you can't seriously think that FS's 4 votes are going to change anything (as of now, tracil's nowhere near being lynched) | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:03 Romance_us wrote: Better one townie dead than two, right? Look at last double lynch... that has got to be the most retarded thing i've read you're assuming we only lynch townies and while the facts are on your side for now ( ) i am hoping that will change.edit: just to clarify, it's not FS's fault we voted for townies edit#2: just to make your point further, why lynch at all? we don't have to. 0 townies better than 1 right? | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:06 Romance_us wrote: I'm going by the facts. YOU are assuming. read my second edit. reply please also, what have i assumed? | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:08 Live2Win wrote: If he was a mafia, how do you think he will use his double lynches? When we "idiots" vote and the two leading candidates to get lynched are both townies. That's when he'd use his double lynch. If the top ones were mafia and townie, would he use his double? No. you don't know that he wouldn't, L2W. when he refuses to double lynch and provides no reasoning, that's a scumtell. has that happened? when it does, we can lynch him. Until then, it's silly to do so. | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:12 Romance_us wrote: I didn't imply that, and you call my post retarded but completely misunderstand my logic at the same time. That makes sense, doesn't it? We are misusing double lynch as a whole incorrectly. When day comes and we see 5-6 townies dead, we start yelling out "DOUBLE LYNCH!!!!!!" before we really even review the clues or any leads. You are completely assuming FakeSteve is Townie. You cannot deny that. It's in your words. L2W makes a good point. You are so set on protecting FakeSteve, but primarily for his mayor advantage, when it should be that PLUS his willingness to contribute and help us. At least Tracil is in-depth about nearly everything. yes i should be protecting him for his willingness to help and contribute to us. has he done so? of course not, you'd have to be stupid to say he actually contributed anything for the town aside from his role. of course i am protecting his role. and i'm not voting for tracil either, so i don't even know where that came from. and the logic applies. re-read if you don't see how. it's not as if us lynching is any different when we use single or double. in both cases, the same amount of analysis has been done, and we're as sure as we're going to be given the time and effort put in at the time. and i'm assuming fakesteve is townie? have you READ what i wrote? i believe that he's mafia.. one of my posts started with "disclaimer: i believe FS is mafia" also keep in mind, the mayor has to decide to Dlynch early in the voting. he has no way of knowing whether mafia will be on the top of the voting list by the time the voting closes .. | ||
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i mean jesus christ even if he was mafia, we'd be worse off seriously i really hope i die this night so i don't have to bother anymore edit: i wish i was a vigilante right now so i can commit suicide (it doesn't say "other" player ) | ||
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since it's quite likely we won't win how about this goal let's lynch at least one mafia. edit: i just counted, i think in worst case scenario, mafia wins in night 6 (this included vigs killing townies, paramedics protecting wrong targets, always lynching townies.. in other words a pretty good representation of the current game  ) | ||
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On February 25 2008 09:36 CDRdude wrote: Well, we can worry about renaming of mafia roles after the mafia assassinate us all one by one. Until then, we need to take self-defense lessons, and start installing burglar alarms with giant pits full of spikes in the towns buildings. and stop catching movies in the middle of the night while the mafia runs amok | ||
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that was like 2 days ago tho, so things might change | ||
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On February 25 2008 12:18 Vharox wrote: I feel like the game has become a drag as of now... wanna come clean with your mafia buddies?! | ||
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goodluck townies you'll need it lols | ||
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time estimate? i can't wait to see the reactions xD | ||
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since mafia #s scale with number of players in the game and since mafia killing power scales with number of players in the game why doesn't town lynching power scale with number of players in the game? think longterm, 280 people 55 mafia, 28 mafia kills daily, but one lynch T_T? | ||
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On March 09 2008 06:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I cut it down to the important part so everyone else doesn't have to. i agree with shallow xD i mean seriously guys.. it's just so obvious im rofling. too bad i'm dead =/ | ||
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[quote=original post] Clues can be taken from anywhere, so long as I see it relating to the person they are intended for. This means posts, names, sigs, profiles, blogs, things related to names, etc.[/quote] sup. gonna edit this post too? | ||
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On March 10 2008 11:10 Falcynn wrote: JeeJee, could you post a link to the page where that's posted? Or was posted if he's edited it. ? my 4uote is from the original post, the rules of the game, which i assume all people know so it's not exactly game altering. oopsie, 4uote = quote, damn dota script T_T | ||
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or.. anything else to combat inactive townies? since a player cap seems a no-no at this point ;o | ||
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Come to the light, my Son. | ||
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On March 13 2008 07:19 unsoundlogic wrote: Sign me up for the next round please! I kept dying every time people saw the Valentine references (valentines day, 3:14...) and thought Romance_us.... 3:14 was referring to eti307 im fairly sure... i was actually looking for people related to Pi, but eti was the first one i came up with. i have no idea how you can link valentine to 3;14 unless your valentine's day is in march? | ||
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On March 13 2008 09:53 fusionsdf wrote: tracil: Your game is boring. This one was fun. Get over it. actually i much preferred tracil's setup. i hope he starts it up again (and gets an assistant that's a little more careful xD). that said, i still can't wait for this one too! it might be a lil too big for my liking but we'll see | ||
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