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On February 24 2008 08:29 Caller wrote:
Guys im pretty sure its GG
consider it: we have until day 6 to kill at least two mafiaso.
thats... three days
we have three lynches therefore
i doubt the mafia would have 0 candidates for mayor-at least one had to be mayor
the only major candidate left is...Tracil.
therefore Tracil is likely mafiaso
he has 4 pardons for 3 lynches
therefore
were buttfucked
and we cant kill him cuz 3 bodyguards are still alive
so unless our vigilantes killed all our bodyguards and tracil
were boned
PLEASE READ THE ORIGINAL POST AAAAARRRGGG!!!!!!!!
So many STUPID questions and comments could be avoided by this. If we want, we can lynch Tracil, because you don't get bodyguard protection from lynches, and you can't pardon yourself.
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Well, we can worry about renaming of mafia roles after the mafia assassinate us all one by one. Until then, we need to take self-defense lessons, and start installing burglar alarms with giant pits full of spikes in the towns buildings.
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On February 25 2008 12:59 fusionsdf wrote:
day and night should come faster though
Not necessarily, Chuiu and Dapperdan have to come up with clues, wait for people to vote, and do whatever it is they do in real life (which isn't as important as mafia, but they'll probably do it anyway). Maybe if the mafia only killed inactives, and we only lynched inactives, we'd get a quicker game, but a lot depends on Chuiu, and making clues that aren't too hard and aren't too easy must be hard. (If you're reading this, make clues easier. We suck.)
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+ Show Spoiler [long quote] +On February 25 2008 18:01 dinmsab wrote:
The situation right now is getting desperate, and i believe that desperate situation calls for desperate action. Honestly speaking, this just isnt looking good for the townies.. if things carry on like this we ARE going to lose. We outnumber the mafia by 3:1, but the diference in numbers do not mean anything considering how the mafia are organized, while we are not. Im proposing something radical.. I think it IS possible for the townies to actually be organized, not all of us.. but only a small number that matters the most in the game. This small group will only receive orders by a single person who we are sure is a townie, this single person will be the "head" of the group, only he knows the members of the group and is responsible to coordinate and organize each action of its members. So you might be asking, who are the members? how are we going to make sure they are not mafia? Well, this is where this list plays a role.
2 of 3 Vigilante alive.
1 of 2 Detective alive.
4 of 4 Paramedic alive.
2 of 4 Elder alive.
3 of 4 Veteran alive.
(i removed pardoner and bodyguards considering they COULD be mafia, correct me if im wrong)
Yes, this list the key. These are the only people who are going to make a difference in this game for the townies. Im suggesting that these people will submit their names and roles to the appointed "head". From there this leader will be able to systematically organize and use any information and
abilities gained from of its members.
So some of you might ask, what if there's undercover mafia claiming any one of these roles? Well, lets say that 5 people claim to be paramedics, we know that there are only 4 paramedics out there , that means that 1 of them is a fake a.k.a mafia. Keep in mind, only the "head" knows all the information, no information is passed among members of the group.. effectively rendering any infiltration useless. Keep in mind, in this scenario the head will know there is a mafia within the paramedic group.. thus is his responsibility to investigate and figure out who is the mafia. Obviously it isnt very smart for the mafia to go undercover in this group since it will only get their names shortlisted.
In order to select the "head", i believe it is wise to actually just to random on this.. the chances are still 1/3 that the person randomly selected is a townie, if not.. then we are screwed.. or we could just use a person that we all trust is a townie, which is definitely not wise since at this point, anyone could be mafia.
I dont see any other way for the townies to make it out of this... feedback needed ASAP. We need to act fast before the next night comes around.
I mean no offense, but that's a really stupid idea. Sure, it sounds good on the surface, but we have no way of reliably picking a head. You claim that it's possibile via random selection, but I disagree. You forget all of the inactives, and also, what if people are just plain lazy and don't want to deal with it? If you pick a mafia head, then town has no chance of winning, because they get a list of every special role dumb enough to admit to it.
That's not even taking into account people who lie about having special positions, either because they are mafia, or because they don't want to die.
Last, since you are apparently in the game, why haven't you read the game description in the original post? It's good form to konw what you're talking about. Bodyguards can't be mafia. Oh, and when you say what the chance that the person randomly selected is a townie, the chance is wrong.
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Since I haven't posted a lot recently, I decided that I needed to do something to help. So, I compiled a list of the voting for previous days, in the hope that it will help us determine the scum.
Mayoral Election:
Tracil --- 13 votes --- Alive
CDRdude
ZBiR
goldenkrnboi
betaben --Dead
ulszz
demonic_phate
Fishball --Dead
Yogurt --Dead
Romance_us
Empyrean
dancefayedance!~
Hittegods --Dead
Alethios --Dead
SoMuchBetter --- 10 votes--- Dead
mahnini --Dead
chicken` --Dead
MyHeroNoob
Live2Win
Vharox
Folca
RtS)Night[Mare --Dead
ZaplinG
clazziquai
Eti307
FakeSteve --- 14 votes--- Dead
Puosu --Dead
Caller
KF91
SiZ.FaNtAsY
wurm --Dead
randombum
Hypnosis
Wizard --Dead
NotSorry
HotZhot
imDerek
ShaLLoW[baY] ---Dead
Dr.Dragoon ---Dead
mahnini --- 1 vote --- Dead
ieatkids5
infinity21 --- 1 vote --- Alive
So no fek --Dead
betaben --- 1 vote --- Dead
Southlight
Mini Moose 2707 --- 2 votes --- Dead
Falcynn
JeeJee --Dead
Please tell me if I missed something (Other than GeneralStan, because he sucks)
Right now, we only have 1 known mafioso who we can infer from. Unfortunately, he voted for a known townie, the late FakeSteve. This could mean a few things; he didn't realize that mafia could be mayor, there were no mafia candidates, or he voted for FS in spite of a mafia candidate. Of these, I think the last two are the most likely. Why would this be?
If the last one is the case, either Tracil, or infinity21 must be mafia. If infinity21 was mafia, it would provide a sensible explanation for why he didn't vote for him--it would be basically throwing his vote away. On the other hand, you have Tracil. If Tracil is mafia, then why didn't Shallow vote for him? The vote was close too, perhaps he could have swung the election. But given Shallow's conduct, I don't think this is impossible either. Looking at his posts, with hindsight, it seems to me like he's just out to have fun, which I presume he succeeded at when Dr.Dragoon got lynched by his word.
Then, we have the possibility that everyone wishes was true--that no mafia ran in the election. From a practical standpoint, this would easily demonstrate why Shallow didn't vote for the known mafia. I don't know if this is true, but with the way this lynching election is going we're likely to find out.
Okay, next up we had the Day #2 Lynchings:
Dr.Dragoon --Dead - 28
Live2Win
Eti307
clazziquai
Wizard --Dead
Alventenie
Vharox
goldenkrnboi
zdd
Fen
Tracil
HotZhot
Aepplet --Dead
Southlight
Puosu --Dead
Hittegods --Dead
demonic_phate
Romance_us
RtS)Night[Mare --Dead
KF91
Amber[LighT] --Dead
Fishball --Dead
Elder
CDRdude
Falcynn
imDerek
SoMuchBetter --Dead
So no fek --Dead
Fen
RtS)Night[Mare --Dead - 20
chicken` --Dead
ZBiR
wurm --Dead
Yogurt --Dead
FakeSteve[TPR] --Dead *4
Falcynn
Caller
Elder
Elder
JeeJee --Dead
Alventenie
imDerek
CDRdude
ShaLLoW[baY] --Dead
Wizard --Dead
SoMuchBetter
Puosu --Dead
Falcynn - 2
Fishball --Dead
ShaLLoW[baY] --Dead
HotZhot
JeeJee --Dead
NotSorry - 7
wurm --Dead
ulszz
Southlight
So no fek --Dead
goldenkrnboi
RtS)Night[Mare --Dead
Fen
Again, we only have one mafia to base this off of, so we have to make this count. Shallow voted for two people, (it was a double lynch day), one of which we now know to be innocent, one of which is still alive. Judging by this, I would say that when it comes down to it, Shallow votes for the betterment of the mafioso's goals. Taking that assessment as true, or at least somewhat likely, we can assume that Falcynn is innocent. As for if this applies to Tracil, I'm hesitant to say anything, but I have a hard time seeing Tracil as mafia.
And then the Day #3 Lynchings:
Live2Win - 3
Folca
JeeJee --Dead
clazziquai
SoMuchBetter - 19
HotZhot
ieatkids5
Falcynn
ulszz
Scooter
Thirdeye1017
CDRdude
Aepplet --Dead
ZBiR
ZaplinG
chicken` --Dead
dinmsab
Romance_us
Amber[LighT] --Dead
JeeJee --Dead
Tracil
infinity21
EmeraldSparks
Vharox
Caller - 2
Elder
NotSorry - 9
goldenkrnboi
nemY
Falcynn
Amber[LighT] --Dead
Unforgiven_ve
Tracil
Caller
ZaplinG
infinity21
Tracil - 8
imDerek
wurm --Dead
Scooter
Thirdeye1017
dancefayedance!~
Caller
EmeraldSparks
Eti307
Mini Moose 2707 --Dead
ulszz
Amber[LighT] --Dead
Alventenie
FakeSteve[TPR] - 11
chicken` --Dead
Romance_us
Aepplet --Dead
Live2Win
ZBiR
Southlight
CDRdude
demonic_phate
Elder
dancefayedance!~
dinmsab
Unforgiven_ve
Elder
nemY
wurm --Dead
For better or for worse, this day was without ShaLLoW[baY]. As such, we have a lot less to overanalyze, and we have to go on guesses alone. Here, I would like to bring up an interesting quote, just to make sure it isn't overlooked:
On February 25 2008 16:30 Alventenie wrote:
Ok, time for a long post, i will not interpret the clues, but rather talk about the previous day, and hopefully begin to understand this, and give us at least a fighting chance. First off, I am the detective, and i am not inactive, so i will recap what i have done so far during the first 3 day/night cycles to show you how hard this actually is to be any use as a detective.
Night 1, i asked if i could see how many mafia voted for a mayor candidate, but was told i could not find that answer, so i used one of the clues of a strangely dressed man/bowing clue to see if it related to artofmagic, and got answered a no. Now remember, each clue can point to various people, so im pretty much guessing as who i would believe fit that role, since they're 71 people day/night 1, that means i have to see if a clue fits for all 71 people, which, when given up to 13 clues, is alot of clues.
Day/night 2, i asked if someone tossing in there sleep was related to RtS)Night[Mare, but i didnt wait for chuiu to respond before posting the clue, and thus got him lynched for no reason.
Day/night 3, This is where it gets interesting, instead of asking a clue as i had no idea who to link to clues, i decided to see how many mafia lynched FakeSteve. Here is the list of people who voted for FS:
FakeSteve[TPR] - 11
chicken`
Romance_us
Aepplet
Live2Win
ZBiR
Southlight
CDRdude
demonic_phate
Elder
dancefayedance!~
dinmsab
Out of all these people, ONE, yes ONE, was mafia. That means 10 townies lynched our mayor, and since this night happened:
Chicken`, Aeppelet both died, and are townies. but that means we know more people who are townies to not let them become lynch victims, and one of those are mafia, although im willing to spare 1 mafia to keep 8 townies alive for now.
If he is telling the truth, that also provides us with a few clues as to the mafia's identity. Basically, the best bit of information in there (if true) is that there is 1 mafioso in the group of people who voted for FakeSteve. Assuming that all this is true, of the names up there, only one jumps out at me as connected with the clues: Romance_us.
A sweet floral scent entered his nostrils before JeeJee's life was ended by a gunshot to the head.
I vote Romance_us to be lynched.
Romance_us:
--voted Tracil for mayor
--voted Dr.Dragoon to be lynched
--voted SoMuchBetter to be lynched
--voted FakeSteve to by lynched
While this doesn't say anything for certain (hell, I voted for all those people too), it is another hint that Romance_us might be a mafioso.
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On February 26 2008 11:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
And keep up the hilarious action guys, I'm reading every page...
O_O You're crazier than I am O.o
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One thing: HotZhot will probalby need to appoint a second-in-command in the event of his death. Clearly, the timing of this posting will have to be VERY delicate, but hopefully he can pull it off if required.
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Seriously, what happened to this thread? In an entire day (IRL time) we haven't even added two pages. Compare that to the beginning of this thread where we had like 30 new pages in a couple hours. Is this all because we lynched the active people who were participating?
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Oh! I get it now! What Tracil is saying is that to miss the mark is the mafia that keeps missing the mark with his poisonous solutions. It all makes sense now, how couldn't I have seen it earlier? It seems that there is no record of him voting at all though, so we can't base anything off of what he said. Also because of that, we don't know if he's inactive. But now that I think about it, that clue HAS to point towards to miss the mark
I am changing my vote away from Romance_us to to miss the mark
==edit==
to miss the mark just posted above me, so he is clearly not inactive. Then why hasn't he voted at all?
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Chuiu, I request that you wait a few more hours before night. This new realization has convinced 3 people to vote for to miss the mark in a short period of time, and it stands to reason that other voters would also change their minds once they see this. However, if they never get to see it before night, they won't get a chance to change their minds. Just a few more hours Chuiu?
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ulszz, is there any relation between to miss the mark and Scooter that you've documented? Sorry for being lazy, but I really don't want to browse through the whole thread right now.
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On February 27 2008 12:50 ulszz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 09:05 ulszz wrote:
I vote for Scooter. He says little to nothing in this mafia game and is signed up for Tracil's other mafia game. Why would he sign up for another game when he contributes nothing to this one? I'll tell you why, he is mafioso. His whole strategy is just to lay low. He's having a grand time killing off innocent townies and he was hoping to do the same in the other game. No CDRDude, just this post I quoted. I think there is a strong possibility that Scooter is mafioso and that is why I suggested to lynch him next, no relation to to Miss the mark.
That's a very good point. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have time to see if any clues implicate him.
Give me six lines written by the most honorable of men, and I will find an excuse in them to hang him - Cardinal Richelieu
I'll try to avoid looking too far into it though, I want to be fair, so I have the best chance of finding mafia.
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On February 27 2008 13:42 NotSorry wrote:
I've said this about miss the mark countless time in the last 100 or so pages and no one even blinked, yet now someone else posts and everyone has a fucking revelation?
I guess your earlier posts didn't make much of an impact, but mine did for some reason. I don't know why that would be, but if you think he's mafia, vote for him!
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I think we have identified two more mafia: NotSorry and nemY. Their refusal to vote for an obvious mafia is a clear indication of a hidden motive. They claim it has to do with some trivial dispute, but everyone knows that the proper way to resolve those disputes is a bo5. They are also clever enough to accuse one another so that even if one of them is lynched, the other is unsuspected. Since they don't actually want the other to be revealed, they are using this trivial excuse to vote for each other, so that other people aren't likely to join the bandwagon.
Even in spite of the overwhelming evidence in favor of to miss the mark, they ignore it, and try to appear loyal townies.
On February 27 2008 12:08 CDRdude wrote:
Oh! I get it now! What Tracil is saying is that to miss the mark is the mafia that keeps missing the mark with his poisonous solutions. It all makes sense now, how couldn't I have seen it earlier? It seems that there is no record of him voting at all though, so we can't base anything off of what he said. Also because of that, we don't know if he's inactive. But now that I think about it, that clue HAS to point towards to miss the mark
I am changing my vote away from Romance_us to to miss the mark
==edit==
to miss the mark just posted above me, so he is clearly not inactive. Then why hasn't he voted at all?
Quoted so that more people can see it, and see the reasoning behind lynching to miss the mark. NotSorry and nemY: we know your game now. Don't think you can fool us any longer.
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Tracil said beforehand, that he would not pardon FS if lynched. He also said, much earlier, that he would pardon very few people, if any, if elected. I have been suspicious of Tracil, but not because he didn't pardon FS.
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What if we tried PMing all the inactive players, trying to get them to go active. We need more people, and most inactives are probably town.
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Haha, I bet there's a reason you aren't putting Elder in the next round, you didn't plan on the HotZhot thing, did you?
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On February 28 2008 15:47 Fen wrote:
Hey Chuii, can you please ban everyone who signed up and didnt play in this game from playing in the next game. Because about half the townies left are not even playing and thats just not cool.
Also, could a system be implemented where every player must post at least once during each day/night cycle. If they dont, they get booted from the game (they flee town or something), and their role (if they have one) gets passed onto someone else. Because if the detectives end up being afkers, then its totally going to screw the townies over.
YES, WE NEED THIS. Caps lock aside, this will really help the game. I get frustrated when I realize that the mafia already outnumber us, simply because of the inactive townies. I wonder if a mod playing the game could be convinced to impose a harsher penalty on inactives, that would certainly liven things up.
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On February 29 2008 13:48 NotSorry wrote:
I won't die, why waste a mob kill when town is just going to lynch me tomorrow anyways ^ ^
Well, we will see what new clues we have. However, you are certainly suspicious, and you've almost been lynched twice now.
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Doh! It's disappointing to die, just when things are looking up for the town. Well, best of luck to the town, and I'll probably lurk on this thread to see what happens. I can't wait for the next game to start 
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