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On February 12 2008 10:17 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Tsk tsk, you guys obviously haven't done your research. Have any of you thought of the possibility that NEITHER of us are mafia?
read the first post on this page duh
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On February 12 2008 10:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 10:18 Tracil wrote:
@ L2W: Hmm. Accepted that it's true townies shouldn't just blindly act in one direction. Still a bit miffed but I like your tone so far.
However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) S Hallow. S Hallow. S Hallow. Jesus lol.
It's ok, he calls me manhini which sounds like man hiny (man booty)
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On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/
Ooooooh snap he just called you stupid.
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On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH"
You talking about how it's a bad idea about how you will be lynched and not providing any information as to why you sent that PM in the first place isn't a good way to sway votes.
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On February 12 2008 11:55 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:52 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ Ooooooh snap he just called you stupid. are you intentionally trying to stir shit up so townies( not saying dragoon is a townie) fight with one another????? i see through your plans mahinni. you cant and wont fool me.
pervert. I'm getting curtains.
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On February 12 2008 11:58 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:57 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH" You talking about how it's a bad idea about how you will be lynched and not providing any information as to why you sent that PM in the first place isn't a good way to sway votes. It's funnier this way. It's not like anyone would believe me if I defended myself anyways.
Yes, but in order to let the good times roll you must live past the first day, which you won't cause you're MAFIA!
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THAT GROUP OF NESTED POSTS SURELY ISNT VERTICALLY CHALLENGED
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On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop.
So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia?
WAT?
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On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop. So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true.
you are sooooooo getting lynched
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On February 12 2008 12:43 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop. So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true. Actually, I'm kind of inclined to agree here.
I smell mafia backup. What would dragoon be lying about? The PM that he now admits he sent? Or is he lying about not being a mafia? Surely it is the former. In any case, both of them being liars just means both of them need to get lynched, although it's just Dragoon who is getting caught up in his web of lies. Plus, he called for Empyrean mafia backup.
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On February 12 2008 12:51 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:49 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:43 Empyrean wrote:On February 12 2008 12:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 12:32 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
1. shallow is not mafia, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia either
2. Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a stupid idea, but an EVEN STUPIDER thing to do, would be to send the message in that PM. So that "pm" is a lot less likely than a fake shop. So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? There's the possibility of both of us lying too. I doubt shallow is mafia anyways, he would be more inclined to lay low, rather than try to start drama that would put him at risk. The REAL situation is basically just a big joke by shallow, which everyone took to be true. Actually, I'm kind of inclined to agree here. I smell mafia backup. What would dragoon be lying about? The PM that he now admits he sent? Or is he lying about not being a mafia? Surely it is the former. In any case, both of them being liars just means both of them need to get lynched, although it's just Dragoon who is getting caught up in his web of lies. Plus, he called for Empyrean mafia backup. I never admitted to sending that PM that shallow posted. The PMs (yes, plural) that shallow and I exchanged are much different.
screens or it didn't happen.
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wait why were you exchanging PMs in the first place?
do you know each other previously OR are you both mafias and after meeting shallow made a joke about you being mafia even though your really are!
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On February 12 2008 12:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The whole point is that it's an epic postfest.
you PM'd dragoon. confirm/deny
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On February 12 2008 13:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 13:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 12 2008 13:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 13:15 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:![[image loading]](http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3044/truthxv8.jpg) You be the judge. Nice edit, which program did you use? er, paint. isn't that obvious? I meant to make the fake PM  Oh, BTW, I thought you always saved in .png
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh SHiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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On February 12 2008 09:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 09:35 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 09:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 12 2008 09:29 mahnini wrote:OMG I JUST GOT THIS EPCI PM FROM SHALLOW ![[image loading]](http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1992/liesps3.png) If you didn't edit it then why is the SS saved in .png when the default for paint is .gif? Unless you or another one of your photoshop savvy mafiamen saved it in .png to preserve the quality of the shop in order to shop it! Because you can save stuff in .png format using paint? The question isn't CAN you, it's why WOULD you? .png is a high quality format that you obviously dont need in order to just save and post ss, but one would prefer a ss to be saved in .png if he were to edit it! I actually didn't know that, I just thought that .png was a good format to upload it in :p I always save stuff in .png format out of habit anyways. EDIT : Completely unrelated sidenote, Mods can confirm that this is my only edit. This game is motherfucking EPIC, thanks Chuiu and DapperDan.
For anyone who's wondering what the format fuss is about. And holy shit dragoon layin the smack down hahaha.
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On February 12 2008 13:48 CDRdude wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on).
He screenshotted his windows add/remove program window though, so he's not on a mac. Let's not discount the fact that maybe the mafia are working together and having someone with reputable photoshop skills post an image of a PM would draw attention to him.
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On February 12 2008 13:50 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 13:48 CDRdude wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on). He screenshotted his windows add/remove program window though, so he's not on a mac. Let's not discount the fact that maybe the mafia are working together and having someone with reputable photoshop skills post an image of a PM would draw attention to him.
To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake).
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On February 12 2008 14:05 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 13:53 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 13:50 mahnini wrote:On February 12 2008 13:48 CDRdude wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on). He screenshotted his windows add/remove program window though, so he's not on a mac. Let's not discount the fact that maybe the mafia are working together and having someone with reputable photoshop skills post an image of a PM would draw attention to him. To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake). First of all, .jpeg is the default save format for Paint. Second, in my opinion you guys are thinking way ahead into this. The explanation "I saved in JPEG because last time I saved in .png people made a big fuss about it" is a perfectly good explanation, and I personally see no reason to be particularily suspicious about that. The Dr.Dragoon case, however, still has me convinced he should be lynched.
I just checked and recheck. Default image format is 24-bit .bmp. It makes zero sense to change a picture to .jpeg after posting a previous picture in .png since he already established that he did it habitually, which he now disproved by posting a .jpeg. This still doesn't change the fact that this could be an elaborate mafia plot to test the waters so to speak of how to get rid of someone.
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