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On February 15 2008 09:57 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2008 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On February 15 2008 00:07 Chuiu wrote:On February 14 2008 08:53 JeeJee wrote:and of course, i always have an option to simply give u temporary access to my account so u can witness my role PM for yourself (this part i've also done thinking through, and the answer you give, will tell everyone a lot, not only about me, but about your role as well) If I find out people are account swapping to learn each others roles they will be kicked from the game and banned from playing future ones. ok i suppose that's good to know considering i have no idea what draws an arbitrary line between allowing screenshots/movies and not allowing PM access (i suppose if i bothered to prove that it's possible to spoof PMs, this rule would be lifted) There is no arbitrary line. You can fake screenshots/movies of PM's until the end of time but once you let someone log onto your account and read the PM himself then its 100% undeniable what your role is to them.
check your pm 
it is why i said arbitrary line, everything can be faked.
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On February 15 2008 14:33 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2008 11:37 JeeJee wrote:On February 15 2008 09:57 Chuiu wrote:On February 15 2008 08:31 JeeJee wrote:On February 15 2008 00:07 Chuiu wrote:On February 14 2008 08:53 JeeJee wrote:and of course, i always have an option to simply give u temporary access to my account so u can witness my role PM for yourself (this part i've also done thinking through, and the answer you give, will tell everyone a lot, not only about me, but about your role as well) If I find out people are account swapping to learn each others roles they will be kicked from the game and banned from playing future ones. ok i suppose that's good to know considering i have no idea what draws an arbitrary line between allowing screenshots/movies and not allowing PM access (i suppose if i bothered to prove that it's possible to spoof PMs, this rule would be lifted) There is no arbitrary line. You can fake screenshots/movies of PM's until the end of time but once you let someone log onto your account and read the PM himself then its 100% undeniable what your role is to them. check your pm it is why i said arbitrary line, everything can be faked. So you created a new user with the name of " Chuiu", big whoop. Anyone who can use their eyes can clearly see that space or any minor differences in characters. http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user= Chuiu
not in the PM window you can't. unless you're using some browser other than IE or FF. The only way you can tell on those browsers is if you mouseover reply and look at the link, and a regular person would have no reason to do that because most users would just take it at face value, the only reason they'd even suspect forgery of PM (as the general consensus is that it's not possible) if it was sent to them from themselves (case in point, you)
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oh god oh god oh god
i hope i don't die
*crosses fingers*
this is gonna be intense
needs like an RSS feed for this thread lol
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either i've become a lot less paranoid or the clues have become a little more subtle, but i can't find any obvious accusations in there 
i'll hold off on voting until some more info become available
edit: and yes i do find it rather odd that a bodyguard happened to die this night. i mean taking into account the odds, it seems much more likely it was a decision made with sure knowledge? hmm
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@nightmare
actually if FS was mafia, he WOULD have a reason to kill his bodyguards. I mean, first of all he doesn't care because he's safe even if 3 of them are dead (because mafia won't kill him and vigilantes can't til 4th is dead), and moreover because analysis like yours might pop up (mayor needs bg's to live, why would he kill his own bg, he must be townie)
in addition, he knows whether tracil is mafia or not. if tracil isn't, FS might not want a townie in such a strong position, and may consider slowly killing off bg's then eliminate tracil. this is risky of course because if a vigilante wants FS dead, then FS might wait until the vigilantes were hit so he can eliminate tracil without risk. this might explain the apparent randomness of the killings (like beta,evan, etc.) they may have been searching for vig's.
edit: oh and as for the dragoon issue.. at this point it doesn't even matter if he's townie or not. he a) refused to dispute evidence against him, b) refused to provide evidence against others, c) doesn't want the town to win
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On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 04:15 JeeJee wrote:
@nightmare
actually if FS was mafia, he WOULD have a reason to kill his bodyguards. I mean, first of all he doesn't care because he's safe even if 3 of them are dead (because mafia won't kill him and vigilantes can't til 4th is dead), and moreover because analysis like yours might pop up (mayor needs bg's to live, why would he kill his own bg, he must be townie)
edit: oh and as for the dragoon issue.. at this point it doesn't even matter if he's townie or not. he a) refused to dispute evidence against him, b) refused to provide evidence against others, c) doesn't want the town to win A) I disputed the evidence against me like 10 times already? If you don't see it, reread the thread.
where's you disputing the serum<=>doctor accusation?
On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
B) I said I'll provide evidence against others if I live through the night. Just pardon me or something. I provide a for sure mafia lynch, all is well. If the person isn't mafia and I'm just lying, just lynch me.
this proves my point c
On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
C) I don't consider myself a winner if I'm dead. To be honest, I'm more or less neutral on the teams since I don't know exactly who is mafia and who isn't.
this proves my point c
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your b and c statements are the statements of one that doesn't want the town to win. why? well it's obvious, if you wanted the town to win, you'd provide your "100%" (note the quotes because they're obviously not 100% unless you're mafia) targets today not tomorrow. what's stopping us from getting the targets from you tomorrow then lynching you anyway? you have just as much reason to disclose your "omg pro findings" today as tomorrow
and your c statement is obvious too. you don't consider yourself a winner unless you're alive. that's great but it's not a townie attitude. if you're a townie, your goal should be to get hit before anyone with specials get hit so that the specials may have 1 more night to wtfpwn the mafia. you should also act like a townie and make sure you don't get wrongly lynched, making town waste a day. this is a TEAM game, this is TOWN vs MAFIA. nobody can win this by themselves, and they shouldn't aim to. you'd make a shitty dota teammate.
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On February 17 2008 04:47 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Heh..People are giving up the chance to get 3 mafia members because they don't like me and want me dead now. The situation in not killing me today would basically be 1: You get a mafia person to lynch 2: I'm wrong and you lynch me a day later So the argument that I should die now is basically because you don't want town to win. Cool I'm gonna be out for awhile, I look forward to everyone's hateful posts when I get back 
No, I didn't word anything wrong. I said you don't want the town to win and I stand by that statement. I mean this post is a prime example of this. Like I said, if you were a townie, you'd share your suspicions with us (I mean look at everyone else), and keep in mind that's all they are - suspicions, not 'for-sure lynches' so stop calling them as such and trying to puff yourself up to something you're not.
Put yourself in a townie's shoes (yeah a bit obvious implication there). You're being threatened to die, and you think you know something we don't. what sounds more of a team player attitude:
a) fully disclose your suspicions, making the townies think twice and possibly reconsider
b) blackmail and insult the town
yeah..
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well keep in mind a bunch of people also suspect nightmare (for instance, me) and so if a double lynch is declared, the second person to be lynched might be one of you two. all depends where FS puts his 4 votes and what the general perception is
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On February 17 2008 09:07 Chuiu wrote:
EDIT: Ah, I can move to night this evening as it seems a lot of people have decided who they want lynched.
yeah i don't think anyone will object to this; the conclusion is pretty obvious
I vote for rts)nightmare here.
2nd vote goes to hotzhot for oh so many reasons but he won't get lynched tonight I suppose.
edit: i'll make my case for hotzhot tomorrow since it's irrelevant now
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actually we're going at such a rate that i think we'll have better success doing the following
1) compile a list of people who haven't said anything aside from voting/agreeing to play the game
2) pick a random one and lynch them
3) ???
4) profit
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On February 18 2008 12:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2008 12:09 Falcynn wrote:On February 18 2008 12:04 demonic_phate wrote:On February 18 2008 11:59 Cambium wrote:On February 18 2008 10:47 rpf wrote:On February 18 2008 10:26 Yogurt wrote:On February 18 2008 09:46 rpf wrote:
Actually it says "a educated;" oh, the irony. i dont get it MAFIA? Any word beginning with a vowel following the article "a" means the article "a" becomes "an." Dude, this isn't even true -_____-;; Here's a counter-example: A unit So your suggesting that whether or not you add an "n" to a if it proceeds certain words is totally random? As with most grammatical rules in english, there are exceptions EDIT: Damnit rpf beat me to it  I think it has to deal with pronounciation then the actual fact of whether or not the vowel is in front. In the case of unit, you pronounce it as yunit, not oonit, if it was the later then there would be an "an" in front since it's a vowel sound in front. and why the fuck are we talking about grammar in a mafia game? Because saying "I am about to make a proposal which you will be unable to turn down" is a lot less intimidating than "I'm gonna make you an offer you cannot refuse"
for some reason this reminded me of that mathnews comic (waterloo math faculty paper) where the mathie is being held for ransom or something and he's told "im going to make you an offer you can't refuse"
a hilarious answer follows
but i can't find the comic
halp!
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FWIW, somewhere around day 2 i sent shallow a PM of my suspects to see how he'd respond
the list i sent to him was this (note it's not the complete PM, but its the part he replied to):
+ Show Spoiler [mylist] +*'s = im fairly certain
%'s = could easily go either way
undecided on caller
infinity21*
hotzhot*
fakesteve%
Caller
amber[light]*
SoMuchBetter%
and here's his reply
+ Show Spoiler [shallow's reply] +
I've actually been suspecting a few of them of being mafia myself, particulary infinity21 (his posting habits are strange, it seems he only posts when attention is directed towards other people). I've learned that voicing your suspicions quickly gets the mob turned against you, so I've stopped publicly interpreting clues, although I haven't come up with anything new at this point.
SoMuchBetter is iffy, I don't know where he stands but he has more chance of being mafioso than FakeSteve in my opinion.
knowing that he is mafia, take from this what you will
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On February 20 2008 09:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
pff obviously shopped
xD
anyway if i were mafia, it's likely i wouldn't draw direct attention to any mafia members in a suspect list from a townie, but might mention it "as-it-were" in passing. as a result, i'd have to call SMB and fakesteve mafia, but infinity21 i'm still leaving on my previous suspicion level (somewhere about 70%)
=)
edit: southlight if you're townie we gotta talk on GGC
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/dead comment
note i haven't cast my vote yet
L2W: please stay within the rules. The above comment was editted because he stepped over his boundaries. You should respect that too.
excuse me? what rules? i find this edit just proves your guilt considering what i said =/
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i still maintain my stance that l2w and fakesteve are both mafia with caller being an actual bodyguard (his role being irrelevant aside from vig safety)
=/
anyway i am going to cast my vote now
and it's going to be, predictably, for live2win
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all you voting for FS and caller are not smart
why? unlike fs, ill give an explanation
disclaimer: i believe fs is mafia
ok a vote for caller, what does this mean? FS has stated caller is bodyguard, so if you vote for caller you're either mafia or don't trust FS. if you don't trust FS, why not vote for him (i'll tell you why not in a moment). if you're mafia, it's irrelevant, i hope you diaf <3.
now, a vote for FS. why are you doing this? who gives a shit if he's mafia. if the town wants to declare a double lynch and he won't do it, ok re-evaluate (read: lynch him) when that happens. until then, that power is too valuable to pass up.
as for l2w.. there's something still fishy. there are suggestions that he's telling the truth (earlier on he asked if a special gets to keep his power if elected for mayor/pardoner, yet he didn't try to run so this might be as relevant as a piece of fruit cake)
i'll think about it some more
don't declare night yet please chuiu, half the town dont know what they want and the other half are stupid
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On February 22 2008 09:53 Tracil wrote:
I would rather day was extended and a double lynch was used.
Me too
and I'll make a case for those wondering
FS - NO lynch. why? read last post of previous page
Caller - NO lynch, why? read last post of previous page
L2W - if you want. i'm hard pressed to find anyone else that even remotely references syringes/injections/experimentation (which is a repeated clue, so we're obviously not mis-interpreting it as not a clue). if you got another target for this clue, feel free to mention it
SMB - where did this guy go? i dont think a townie would portray himself as a mafia during his election for the lulz. and he's gone now. if you want, he's a not bad target
`chicken - kicking? i dunno, seems a stretch to me, i don't think this is a good target
ill edit this when i have time to analyse more people and give reasonings for the last
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On February 22 2008 10:32 Empyrean wrote:
Ok.
I'm voting yes on the extension, just to see how this all resolves out.
And where the hell is the Detective?
could be not playing, could be thinking that it's not wise to reveal themselves yet, etc.
does anyone feel like making a list of the people who've said nothing at all (and are still alive?). or maybe only voted, but nothing you know, discussion wise. might give an interesting perspective there
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