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Ok so this weird push fucked my head over and now I need to rethink rayn, Vivax, sandroba and mocsta again.
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On June 11 2024 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:28 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Hey rayn, how did you go from not seeing me as mafia asking questions to koshi to this without any answers? I forgot i was that smart! Probably 2 mafia there at least. Just for the record now we are here. Why are you not interacting with me on a more intense level? Because i have not interacted with anyone pretty much, and you scumread anyways so i havent seen a reason to dothat today. Yesteeday i focused on marv and AZ mainly.
Well. I cant form a read on you which me me think you are mafia.
You are not playing this game with us. We discuss things and you are just around. Not adding value to the conversation.
Example: about scott when marv and I were discussing it. You just commented that marv reads scott town just like I do but you didnt add your own opinion and reasoning in the mix.
And youbare silent as fuck about this clusterfuck around Vivax. This is the wordt shit and you are so calm. Why?????
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On June 11 2024 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why exactly cant mocsta and az be mafia together?
Too much talk between them. Nothing is impossible but I dont see it be true.
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On June 11 2024 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:
Of my possible suspects, I felt that Vivax would be most affected by pressure. Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)
Unfortunately it's really hard to get people to vote for something without super incredible reasons, and honestly even then I can't get people to vote for something :/ so the effort that went into getting the votes kinda gave it away.
Also Vivax seems to have stuff going on (moving, health issues) that prevent him from playing up to his ideal standard, which makes it harder to get a clear conclusion from the pressure. The ideal result would have been Vivax going on a crusade to find the mafia in the face of insurmountable odds, which didn't happen, but I think the way Vivax played makes me much more able to see him as town than I was before. Because he didn't give up, he kept playing his game and doing his thing, and I respect that a ton.
I'd much rather pursue other options for now, I think at this point, Vivax is much less suspicious than several others.
##unvote
##vote die_meatbaby
Side note, you can call my play stupid, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. I think we benefited some from it at least, and I think a few factors out of my control limited the impact. But it's hard to know how it will play out before you will do it, and I've never tried something like this before, I figured it was worth a go.
I think I'm most interested in die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. Second tier would be Oatsmaster, Koshi, scott31337, Alakaslam, sandroba, and Vivax. I'm very glad that raynpelikoneet and AlphaZero are whisperers, I hope that AlphaZero can get some leads there.
I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him). Oatsmaster is paranoia. Koshi is weirding me out, Alakaslam is just confusing. I think that unless something changes dramatically, die_meatbaby is the most sensible lynch. I can get behind that. Mostly because of bias and game integrity. It‘s currently hard for us to stay separated and we both might get influenced in ways not transparent to anyone else like laughter etc. Sorry that we‘re a couple, I know it creates problems in games.
It doesnt create any problems.
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On June 11 2024 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also what has fake push from trfel towards vivax have to do with needing to reassess OTHER four ppl???
Because I trusted him.
Because marv said it was a good case.
My brain can only accept one truth and then feel if it is a good truth.
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Fml. Between DMB and Vivax there is no way dmb is the mafia.
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What the fuck is sandroba doing tbh.
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Is he trying to convince somebody of anything he typed so far?
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On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner ##vote:vivax Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake.
Wtf is this Vivax read even.
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On June 11 2024 03:50 Trfel wrote:
Nah you're fine Vivax. I just think die_meatbaby looks a lot like her mafia game. I dunno if you read much of that since we mislynched you day 1 but she's still coming up with anything and everything to avoid scum hunting. It's different on the surface (no crusade against Palmar, no overwhelming, constant anger) but deeper than that, it's very similar.
Can you type why it is similar and can you link the game.
I will read it when I am calmed down.
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On June 11 2024 03:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:47 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also what has fake push from trfel towards vivax have to do with needing to reassess OTHER four ppl??? Because I trusted him. Because marv said it was a good case. My brain can only accept one truth and then feel if it is a good truth. To be fair I intentionally ignored marvellosity's post right after he said my case was good where he said Vivax posted a lot and that's a good reason for him to he town. I see you glossed over this. Who's ignoring marvellosity's filter now? 
I said it first. I think.
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Btw I am not saying you ignored marv at all.
I dont understand why you create a fake enviroment in this thread.
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Ok. I cant do shit in this game.
Fml.
Entirz day wasted waiting on Vivax to do something. He did nothing and this guy removes the pressure and leaves the thread in shambles.
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Tfrel you fucking better make a giant towncase on Vivax. Based on posts from D2
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There is no way mafia didnt catch marv and I were going to vibe together this game.
Vivax called me mafia because he didnt see a way out anymore and made a last resort attempt at a tfrel to retract his read and he fucking did it.
Fuckkkk
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On June 11 2024 04:03 Vivax wrote:
Lynch me step-koshi I‘m stuck in the washing machine
lol
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On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no?
Because I think you had Vivax.
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On June 11 2024 04:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:
Ok. I cant do shit in this game.
Fml.
Entirz day wasted waiting on Vivax to do something. He did nothing and this guy removes the pressure and leaves the thread in shambles. It looks like you are just flustered being caught sheeping a myslinch after being excited of things going your way.
Sure thing. Please vote me.
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On June 11 2024 04:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no? Because I think you had Vivax. In that case the reasons are still there, aren't they? Can't you just go lynch him, with or without me?
Yes.
But I think you just made an own goal.
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