On June 11 2024 17:25 Mocsta wrote: [quote] So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
my issue here is why is rayn dodging a simple.question.
We have a town core which he refuses to acknowledge a town He won't talk to deceit being in place And is using language which conditions you to walk with a tail between your legs
None of this is town
Town would respond to the answer AND then switch agenda to their target OR ignore the question and switch agenda to target
I repeat.. this is not town mentality
This seems warranted Rayn, why not just answer directly?
On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in.
Well we don't know who you are anyway.
who is we?
How do you know no one knows?
Scott
He is Conversion
Please read me before saying I have no posts
Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies
Coincidence.
But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago
Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?
What is your dmb read?
Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit.
Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD.
This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all.
Because of the housing crisis, mostly.
So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead.
The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well. Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts. **** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country. The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me. The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road. Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes. Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes. Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes. Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No. I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next. Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that. Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are.
It's harder to prepare for what you cannot.
rant off
Amen
My wife will not come with me. She holds my daughter in Koreatown in LA.
I care deeply for minimissile.
Or, well, I will let her choose her own handle. Should she want to join us at any point.
On June 13 2024 13:15 Trfel wrote: I'm honestly confused as to who even thinks what, it feels like everyone's reads have changed significantly since the sandroba flip. Maybe I'm the stupid one for not changing my reads tbh.
Side note, I don't find the whole "scott31337 slipped that die_meatbaby is town" thing very compelling. I think it makes sense from the perspective of someone who is (theoretically) town and is overconfident in pre-flip reads. As in, it matches the rest of the way scott31337 has played.
First question, why does scott31337 scumread AlphaZero and townread Mocsta? He posted some (imo weak) reasons. In fact, scott31337 literally says "I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over" when referring to Mocsta's case of scott31337's strongest scumread, AlphaZero. But he says these are the best reasons to scumread AlphaZero. Basically I'm supposed to believe that sscott31337 thinks that this case that he doesn't think is all that strong is the best case against AlphaZero, yet he's still extremely confident in AlphaZero being mafia? Strong enough to base the rest of his reads off of AlphaZero being mafia, anyway ><
Second point, sandroba voted for scott31337 early day 1 and left his vote there. However, sandroba didn't post from page 24 until after the day 1 deadline. I think it's quite possible for sandroba to vote for his mafia partner, and then something comes up and he can't change it, even if it's a close vote against a townie.
Third point, scott31337 voted for sandroba at 4:11p EDT June 10. He was the third person to do so (after raynpelikoneet and Koshi). Would scott31337 do this as mafia? It looks like it's Koshi's vote that directly prompts him to do this (scott31337 notes Koshi's vote at 4:10p EDT and then votes for sandroba one minute later). This is about halfway through sandroba's series of catchup posts. From one perspective, it feels a little early to bus, since sandroba is actually posting at this time, but from another perspective, it feels like a good time to get a vote down, one which he can move later if needed. But, did scott31337 set himself up to move? Scott31337 was scumreading sandroba, Alakaslam, and AlphaZero. He also said he wouldn't vote for die_meatbaby.
I actually think this (point 3) is a decent reason to townread scott31337. Sandroba (flipped mafia) was reading Koshi, raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, and Alakaslam as potential mafia. He later says that he would vote for any of raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, or Koshi. He doesn't suggest voting for Alakaslam at all. Scott31337 set himself up to vote for sandroba, Alakaslam, or AlphaZero. Maybe I'm overthinking it but if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, why wouldn't they suggest lynching Alakaslam (assuming Alakaslam is town for the moment)? I just think it doesn't make much sense for mafia to walk themselves into voting separately or hoping that town randomly shenanigans onto the one scumread they have in common. Like, if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, scott31337 saying he won't vote for die_meatbaby makes it extremely unlikely for sandroba to survive. Scott31337 actually re-evaluates die_meatbaby the next day, around 12p EDT June 11, and commits to not switching. To be fair, by this point there are a large number of votes on sandroba and sandroba stopped posting.
Maybe this isn't as strong as I thought. Maybe just a slight reason to townread scott31337. I do think it's not completely negligible though.
On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote: Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.
Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)
Town Koshi Vivax AlphaZero
Town Lean Mocsta
Null scott31337 Alakaslam raynpelikoneet
Mafia Lean die_meatbaby
I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next.
How is DMB not null? I can't make head or tails of her, and, well, that may not be saying much actually.
EPT
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