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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:03 GMT
#1081
On June 09 2024 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
that's mocsta, me, scott, anyone else?

idk if oats's post means he's fine with a sandy lynch or just understands where my thought process is coming from

I understand where your thought process comes from, still deliberating about actually voting for him
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 08 2024 23:03 GMT
#1082
On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:
I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.

I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment
And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.

I search for Vivax -

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town.


20 hours ago

The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.

A post an hour ago

Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him

And now he votes for him.

But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.

Seems suspicious to me.


@Oatsmaster, it's really not that hard to find.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:04 GMT
#1083
what makes sandy 'far from ideal' compared to another null read like slam? i'm assuming null correct me if i'm wrong
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 08 2024 23:05 GMT
#1084
On June 09 2024 07:54 scott31337 wrote:
But to answer your question, yes I am.
cool cool

So kelsi3r is your number #1 scumread because of filter + lack.of activity?

Is az #2 because of this push on you?
What do you make of Marv agreeing with said push?

Have updated your oats read?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:05 GMT
#1085
i won't lynch oats. frustrated as i was by him i wouldn't categorize him poking at what i'm saying as antagonizing. i could default to slam but i'd also prefer kelsier over that. slam's squarely null for me
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:06 GMT
#1086
On June 09 2024 08:03 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:
I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.

I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment
And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.

I search for Vivax -

On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town.


20 hours ago

The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.

A post an hour ago

Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him

And now he votes for him.

But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.

Seems suspicious to me.


@Oatsmaster, it's really not that hard to find.

It’s like it’s actually useful to ask someone to to justify their read. This cannot be the only thing.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:09 GMT
#1087
On June 09 2024 08:02 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, had some stuff going on. Will be mostly present until the deadline I think.

I note that Oatsmaster has not only antagonized me, but also now Vivax and rsoultin. I don't know what to make of this, but I really really don't like it.

I was expecting to have more thoughts but honestly I kinda don't. Whoops.

I don't have a reason to townread sandroba but I am just not convinced by the reasons to suspect him? Sorry if I'm just being bad. Like it wouldn't be the worst thing ever but it seems far from ideal to me.

If we're reaching here already, I'd like to suggest Oatsmaster or Alakaslam. Oatsmaster because he seems to be deliberately antagonizing people, Alakaslam due to the self-conscious thing at the start and overall lack of activity (which may not be a mafia indicator but maybe is worth a try anyway?). I still think Kelsi3r makes by far the most sense but if we want to do something else I can get over it for now.

Can you explain with quotes how I’m deliberately antagonizing people?
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 08 2024 23:09 GMT
#1088
On June 09 2024 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
what makes sandy 'far from ideal' compared to another null read like slam? i'm assuming null correct me if i'm wrong
I actually think the Alakaslam self conscious thing is a legit reason. Maybe it's stupid, I know it's unproven, but it's at least a theory I consider worth investigating. Also I think having more time/material with which to read sandroba would benefit me, and I can't say the same for Alakaslam.

Side note, I am kinda getting hesitant about the Kelsi3r lynch, especially seeing that Grackaroni is looking for a replacement. If something happened to Kelsi3r forcing him to replace out at the wrong time, I can see that making him look really suspicious but actually being town. But even the Kelsi3r thing with doubts seems better to me than the other options right now. Will keep thinking about it.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:10 GMT
#1089
Slam does have a very recentl mafia game if you wanna look at it trfel
No gg, No skill.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2024 23:10 GMT
#1090
On June 09 2024 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:56 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.

? Why would you want him to die after you?


Because I think he is mafia pushing my mislynch. He's my #2 at the moment.

Why is AZ mafia? Did I miss something


One of my biggest pet peeves is repeating myself.
Just think from a town perspective -
What are his reads? Besides lynch scott?

Yes, he's probably #2 in posts/forums but.. what's it consist of?

You slipped and said jat, and that makes sense too. I thought it was DP - but it was definitely someone who obs'd the last game i was in and likes to use the word "sus". But JAT makes sense too.

Anyway, not super important who AZ actually is, but I just see mafia jumping on the scott mason and GG'ing me out.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 08 2024 23:11 GMT
#1091
Trfel

I will say. The posts between az/Marv/oats/me that I took as super collaborative.. maybe 10pages ago. Oats was not really on sync for me in that grouping

But.. i did not think he was a scum read before hand either

In short. I'm.not open to reviewing or lynching oats today especially over shenanigans!sandroba or inactive!kelsi3r

I could also shenanigans rayn but if town I would legit feel bad so dunno if the gamble.is worthwhile
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22393 Posts
June 08 2024 23:12 GMT
#1092
On June 09 2024 08:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
what makes sandy 'far from ideal' compared to another null read like slam? i'm assuming null correct me if i'm wrong
I actually think the Alakaslam self conscious thing is a legit reason. Maybe it's stupid, I know it's unproven, but it's at least a theory I consider worth investigating. Also I think having more time/material with which to read sandroba would benefit me, and I can't say the same for Alakaslam.

Side note, I am kinda getting hesitant about the Kelsi3r lynch, especially seeing that Grackaroni is looking for a replacement. If something happened to Kelsi3r forcing him to replace out at the wrong time, I can see that making him look really suspicious but actually being town. But even the Kelsi3r thing with doubts seems better to me than the other options right now. Will keep thinking about it.


That‘s very considerate of you but would also overcomplicate the game if enacted.

That‘s why we don‘t talk about replacements.

Just ride imo

rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:13 GMT
#1093
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game

same with kelsier and scott

like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:16 GMT
#1094
On June 09 2024 08:10 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:56 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.

? Why would you want him to die after you?


Because I think he is mafia pushing my mislynch. He's my #2 at the moment.

Why is AZ mafia? Did I miss something


One of my biggest pet peeves is repeating myself.
Just think from a town perspective -
What are his reads? Besides lynch scott?

Yes, he's probably #2 in posts/forums but.. what's it consist of?

You slipped and said jat, and that makes sense too. I thought it was DP - but it was definitely someone who obs'd the last game i was in and likes to use the word "sus". But JAT makes sense too.

Anyway, not super important who AZ actually is, but I just see mafia jumping on the scott mason and GG'ing me out.

So no reads, many inconsequential posts? That’s all it takes for top mafia read #2?
No gg, No skill.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 23:16 GMT
#1095
i'd also be very, very surprised if there wasn't scum between sandy, kelsier and scott. i know that surprises literally no one but still
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:17 GMT
#1096
On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions

- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments

- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.

- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.

the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.

- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda

-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.

I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.

It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.

I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.


This is a read and a consequential post
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:18 GMT
#1097
On June 08 2024 18:01 AlphaZero wrote:
It's probably mocsta/scott/xxx someone like vivax or slam

Reads
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22393 Posts
June 08 2024 23:18 GMT
#1098
On June 09 2024 08:16 rsoultin wrote:
i'd also be very, very surprised if there wasn't scum between sandy, kelsier and scott. i know that surprises literally no one but still


It‘s tough when the nonvoters + sandro seem to be mia at the same time.

Sandro‘s thought process that I quoted would be hard to fake though. It‘s always a bit complicated tho
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 23:18 GMT
#1099
He calls me town earlier too
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 08 2024 23:19 GMT
#1100
I guess tbh I never understood the whole "information created by a lynch" argument. Like I think the difference is very slight at most? But I know that's maybe an uncommon perspective so it is what it is.

I mean we can talk about lynching raynpelikoneet, I guess that's fine with me as long as we don't actually do it
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