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On June 08 2024 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
tbf i am giving viva a bit of a townlean for being like go forth and see what i see to prove thyself! could be townie arrogance that. i don't think it's hard to replicate as scum, but in terms of preferred lynch order that puts him behind others
Super easy to fake.
Would I be correct in assuming your scum game is very good?
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On June 08 2024 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
tbf i am giving viva a bit of a townlean for being like go forth and see what i see to prove thyself! could be townie arrogance that. i don't think it's hard to replicate as scum, but in terms of preferred lynch order that puts him behind others Super easy to fake. Would I be correct in assuming your scum game is very good?
i feel it's shit but objectively i've carried my scum team against good players lol >< i'm definitely good at still being active as scum
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On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in 
woe is me
i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise
scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for..
i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS)
the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged.
will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba
people i am not open to lynching today are:
oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv..
i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that.
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On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed
hey mate, i dont understand
yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times.
vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant?
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On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed
ah i thought you meant interacted with in the thread when you said engaged
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On June 08 2024 13:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed hey mate, i dont understand yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times. vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant?
You literally say that your top scum read is az and a significant part of that I would reckon to be from the way hes handled vivax no?
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okay, well, this is where i turn into a pumpkin
the little one will be up soon and tbh i can't do another 4 hour sleep day, if only because artanis will murder me if i get sick and land him with all the baby care lolol so i prob won't be around until the last few hours before deadline. toodles folks. prob gonna stick where i'm at unless sandy gets enough traction to be a real lynch, barring anything that substantially changes my reads on him or kelsier of course
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On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that.
Why az mafia?
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On June 08 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 13:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed hey mate, i dont understand yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times. vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant? You literally say that your top scum read is az and a significant part of that I would reckon to be from the way hes handled vivax no?
no? it was how he handled scott and then his reaction to me which i think is over the top for someone that presented as solid player
the way he withholds information as well, could be townie/scummy, but i find it done in a passive agressive way which i associated more likely to be scummy
again. unless a wagon is forming i dont want to build a case against az. im moreso responding to the nature of this question, and i didnt even realise he had a scum read on vivax to be fair
i thought it was scott and me.
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Withholds information how?
Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird
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On June 08 2024 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Withholds information how?
Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird
Me too. Interesting .
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Am I an easy mislynch here? How refreshing.
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On June 07 2024 23:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:08 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... That’s not what gaslighting is off topic but it is in the basis of telling me I'm wrong and then I ask for more saying I'm too stupid to get it or lazy or whatever I much prefer his tone on most recent post since this so don't intend to talk about this comment any further. Just sought to stand my ground on a topic that matters in real life. No worries if you still disagree.
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Sorry for getting frustrated earlier. I shouldn't try and play when I have company over.
Again, I'm more than happy to talk about AlphaZero if anyone has any specifics to discuss. I don't want to just point fingers and suspicions for no reason, that doesn't help anyone. Either get serious and give actual reasons or wait until you have actual reasons, if discrediting people for no reason is commonly acceptable, the game becomes a mess. Maybe I'm blind but I haven't seen any substantial reasons to suspect AlphaZero posted so far.
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On June 08 2024 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax mafia On June 08 2024 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? On June 08 2024 09:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax coming in and complaining about me is clsssic scum!vivax cmon.
The Scott stuff kinda boring, I get it but he’s not mafia These are the important posts I found in Oatsmaster's filter. The rest are mostly questions or random comments, basically things other than sharing his thoughts and pushing his reads. I realize this is subjective, so here is Oatsmaster's filter if you want to look for yourself.
Honestly for having made 61 game posts, I'm pretty underwhelmed. He's had plenty of opportunity, and all he's come up with is this weird Vivax push. I'd like to break down his reasons for suspecting/pushing Vivax.
1. Vivax is scared to post (I'll reinterpret this as Vivax not being very active, it's hard for me to understand how you can interpret a lack of activity as mafia being scared to post)
2. Vivax has made silly townreads without reasoning to back them up
3. Vivax isn't constantly seeing shadows (I think this means he isn't being tinfoil-y?)
4. This post from Vivax is a classic mafia post:On June 08 2024 08:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? AZ calls you blanket top town too and it doesn‘t bother you. Doesn‘t surprise me you‘d miss that detail, so it‘s meh. Honestly I don't think these reasons are very good at all.
1. Vivax isn't very active. I don't think low activity means someone is mafia, this is very underwhelming.
2. Vivax made silly townreads without reason. It's common for people to make early townreads with little/no reasoning, and I think this is especially common for Vivax, actually. No clue why this is supposed to be suspicious.
3. Vivax isn't tinfoily. It's 27.5 hours in, there isn't much to be tinfoily about. That tends to happen more in longer games.
4. That post comes from mafia. I think Vivax is making a valid point in the post, I don't see why it is mafia motivated.
So the main thing Oatsmaster has done this game is pretty baseless.
You can make tonereads or vibe reads or whatever, but the substance in Oatsmaster's play just isn't there, despite plenty of opportunity.
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On June 08 2024 14:15 AlphaZero wrote:
Am I an easy mislynch here? How refreshing. Who is suspicious of you? Mocsta, rsoultin, and die_meatbaby right? Am I missing anyone? I guess mayyyybe scott31337? Four votes at most, hardly an easy mislynch.
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On June 08 2024 14:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 14:15 AlphaZero wrote:
Am I an easy mislynch here? How refreshing. Who is suspicious of you? Mocsta, rsoultin, and die_meatbaby right? Am I missing anyone? I guess mayyyybe scott31337? Four votes at most, hardly an easy mislynch.
I thought you were somewhat interested.
I just don’t have the time or inclination to really defend myself so we will see I guess.
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On June 08 2024 14:32 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 14:27 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 14:15 AlphaZero wrote:
Am I an easy mislynch here? How refreshing. Who is suspicious of you? Mocsta, rsoultin, and die_meatbaby right? Am I missing anyone? I guess mayyyybe scott31337? Four votes at most, hardly an easy mislynch. I thought you were somewhat interested. I just don’t have the time or inclination to really defend myself so we will see I guess. I'm not interested. I have no reason to suspect you currently. I mean, if someone has some really amazing reasons I'd be more interested, but until then, no. So far I haven't seen any substantial reasons given, just a lot of vague suspicions that have little to no basis.
I hate to be aggressive, but Oatsmaster literally asked for it, so here goes:
Why are we townreading Oatsmaster again? Seriously, look at his filter and look for actual contribution, unless I'm really missing something, all he has as this push on Vivax and his reasons are pretty awful. He's plenty active and belligerent, but I don't see him being interested in finding mafia or figuring things out or actually contributing. Why is this towny?
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On June 08 2024 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Withholds information how?
Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird because there has been resistance so it just clouds discussion when a few people were yet to post i.e. put into monitor basket.
I would summarise AZ style of play as pulling up inconsistencies and letting others draw conclusions.
it is the missing conclusion that i refer to as withhold..
im not talking about withholding reads, those have been aired yet are all over the place and everything is contingent on something else which i associate as a scum thing to do.
scott, trfel, trfel, mocsta, trfel, scott, vivax, scott, vivax,vivax,
Like one thing I cannot get past is that AZ is defending Kelsier as if he is a town-read, yet calls him "very null" to the point that anyone attacking is super sus.. I just struggle to see town being this hedged.
On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. Literally the only thing about kelsier in his filter is:
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all. On June 08 2024 07:06 AlphaZero wrote:
Rso can you explain to me why Kellsier seems to be scum read by everyone. Am I missing something here?
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On June 08 2024 14:19 AlphaZero wrote:
What changed here? less patronizing
if this was real life, we would be handling this very differently - no, i dont mean with fists.
you wouldnt be talking to me like you had been, leave it as that.
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