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On June 13 2024 12:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:36 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel I think you are tunneled on DMB
She could be like x% mafia in my book?
Did you read my n2 post?
There's a very low chance we were on mafia/mafia by numbers Yes, I read your night two post. I don't think I'm tunnelled on die_meatbaby, I've made plenty of clear points and I don't have any strong reads regardless so how can I be tunnelled on something if I'm not confident in anything? Why do you want me to post uninformed opinions after I literally just told you I don't know anything? @AlphaZero, if you're around for a moment, can you explain why you think Mocsta is mafia or point me towards previous explanations (sorry I forget)?
Basically his read progression on my alignment.
I don't think his case was an accurate representation of my alignment.
and I don't understand why someone would fail to consider the IMO good reasons their prior town read could be town.
He was saying not long ago that I would get shot at night, now he is utterly convinced I am mafia. It just seems to me (knowing I am town) that he is knowingly pushing a mis lynch on town here.
Further, once I firmed up town read on rayn, his read on mocsta as mafia carried more weight.
Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia.
Then there is the obvious flailing about to get a counterwagon to sandro, which compared to my feelings of basic indifference seems scummy.
Bonus points is that a Mocsta/scott team makes entire sense from the progression of day one.
Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense
He then joined the scott push when it was really clear that it was not going to result in anything.
And now he is voting with scott on his former top town read, without the scum read really progressing to a town read in a way that makes sense.
and further, scott's reasoning on me being mafia has become "because I am allergic to voting mafia" which is itself scummy and works with mocsta town because:
1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there
2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him.
its pretty clear to me that these are the last two mafia, but if i need to die for their lynches to happen that works, cause I don't have the time to convince people or make huge cases or anything.
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On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located?
South Korea
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On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located?
See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out.
He wants me to go away 
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away He's watching out for your best interests! Side note, thanks for the explanation on Mocsta, I'll look into it more. You think Mocsta is more likely mafia than scott31337?
no I think they are both mafia.
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Mocsta wrote:
Lots of brush off
Push pull as thread sentiment evolved is labeled as inaccurate representation.
Yet the case is your posts with colours for emphasis - nothing more
Dodge and reframe
Accuses me of being teamed with Scott for voting with a former scum read even though we have only aligned when I have town read Scott
Worse this point reflects to alphazero as a hypocrite who voted with his "actual" scum read sandroba
when did you town read scott, and what happened for this town read to develop?
The rest is just bluster
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Like I was clear that I voted DMB cause I thought it was the best option, and that would give more time for sandro to either shine through as town or become clear mafia.
I thought it was a clear loss if we lynched sandro and he was town.
nothing about that is about me voting with my scum read.
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On June 13 2024 12:59 Mocsta wrote:
Wtf is this blatant lie alpha
I voted with sandroba?
Lol.. the end of day count clearly shows you are talking about yourself along with vivax
What are you even talking about?
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Like to boil down the essence of the reason that both scott and mocsta are mafia
They aren't trying to solve, because they aren't genuinely considering the reasons i could be town.
they are trying just trying to push a mislynch here.
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On June 13 2024 13:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:57 Mocsta wrote:
Lots of brush off
Push pull as thread sentiment evolved is labeled as inaccurate representation.
Yet the case is your posts with colours for emphasis - nothing more
Dodge and reframe
Accuses me of being teamed with Scott for voting with a former scum read even though we have only aligned when I have town read Scott
Worse this point reflects to alphazero as a hypocrite who voted with his "actual" scum read sandroba when did you town read scott, and what happened for this town read to develop? The rest is just bluster nothing I have done is unchanged from my vote count with colours I have constantly talked of Scott beboping around being a town indicator for meAnd his shift over the past 24hrs to not bebop makes absolute sense as town because more information means the game.feels closer to being solved
He hasn't done that. His top scum read hasn;t changed all game really.
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Whatever, im not going to shit up the thread fighting with two mafia.
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On June 13 2024 13:06 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Like to boil down the essence of the reason that both scott and mocsta are mafia
They aren't trying to solve, because they aren't genuinely considering the reasons i could be town.
they are trying just trying to push a mislynch here. We are solving the game And now you are stepping up because you are feeling the pressure. Anybody reasonable would understand this That's why you shot Oats
Yeah, I would never shoot oats here. he scumread mocsta, and I was his 2nd top town read.
How do you reconcile that fact?
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my read on sandro evolved since the tier post (he started posting again) and my reasons for not wanting to lynch him yesterday are in my filter, which apparently you have read.
The second part you have in red is a comprehension fail, I am saying scott is voting with you.
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Im posting at work when i shouldn't, that is a good point. So ill go.
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On June 13 2024 13:28 Trfel wrote:
Mocsta, can I break this down with you?
If there is something I am misunderstanding, please point it out. It is very possible that I am missing something.
You think AlphaZero is mafia for how he posts about sandroba but doesn't end up voting for him, right? Basing this off of post #3410.
Why would AlphaZero, as mafia, share so many suspicions about his mafia partner sandroba and then not bus him when it becomes obvious sandroba is being lynched and sandroba gives up? (I mean, good mafia play is to bus him before it becomes hyper obvious, but at the very least he should do it at that point) It looks to me like your argument is that AlphaZero is mafia because he set himself up to bus sandroba but then just decided not to. I could buy this if there was any hope of keeping sandroba alive, but there clearly wasn't?
Like, why does this make AlphaZero mafia when what you (Mocsta) did, defending sandroba and looking for alternative wagons, presumably comes from town? How is what AlphaZero did any scummier or more mafia motivated than what you did?
Please understand that I'm not saying this means AlphaZero is town, by any means. Just that I don't think this is any reason for him to be mafia.
Do you have any other reasons? Because this seems very weak at best. And at a glance, it's your only reason.
and this is why he is mafia.
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On June 13 2024 13:30 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:28 Trfel wrote:
Mocsta, can I break this down with you?
If there is something I am misunderstanding, please point it out. It is very possible that I am missing something.
You think AlphaZero is mafia for how he posts about sandroba but doesn't end up voting for him, right? Basing this off of post #3410.
Why would AlphaZero, as mafia, share so many suspicions about his mafia partner sandroba and then not bus him when it becomes obvious sandroba is being lynched and sandroba gives up? (I mean, good mafia play is to bus him before it becomes hyper obvious, but at the very least he should do it at that point) It looks to me like your argument is that AlphaZero is mafia because he set himself up to bus sandroba but then just decided not to. I could buy this if there was any hope of keeping sandroba alive, but there clearly wasn't?
Like, why does this make AlphaZero mafia when what you (Mocsta) did, defending sandroba and looking for alternative wagons, presumably comes from town? How is what AlphaZero did any scummier or more mafia motivated than what you did?
Please understand that I'm not saying this means AlphaZero is town, by any means. Just that I don't think this is any reason for him to be mafia.
Do you have any other reasons? Because this seems very weak at best. And at a glance, it's your only reason. and this is why he is mafia.
cause there is no doubt.
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On June 13 2024 13:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:20 AlphaZero wrote:
my read on sandro evolved since the tier post (he started posting again) and my reasons for not wanting to lynch him yesterday are in my filter, which apparently you have read.
The second part you have in red is a comprehension fail, I am saying scott is voting with you. could be, i have guilty of a few i really dont see the fail though and i have re-read multiple times " scott (he) is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. the 3 ident lines all relate to "mocsta as mafia"
and he, scott, is in fact voting with mocsta.
fixed.
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On June 13 2024 13:37 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:35 scott31337 wrote:
I'm done with your waffling AZ
Fucking for someone if you believe they are mafia Vote for Mocsta now if you truly believe they are mafia as you do.
why so mad?
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On June 13 2024 13:48 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel who is mafia with die_meatbaby?
he literally just posted a list post.
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On June 13 2024 13:50 scott31337 wrote:
If I'm back to null I'm back to conspiracy theory on you.
So your reads are a weapon for you to wield? Rather than a reflection of your thoughts about alignments.
Was obvious to me from day one, but I’m glad you are showing your true colours here.
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i suspect scott is playing up the drinking thing to wriggle out of that mess, he only mentions it after he fucks up.
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