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On June 08 2024 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
While i do that, can you (Trfel) do a Trfel analysis on marv? Sorry, I have no idea what a Trfel analysis is?
I could see marvellosity being mafia (due to the post you mentioned), I just don't think it's super super likely at this time? Like not impossible by any means, just not likely enough for me to want to pursue it, if that makes sense. I think it will become significantly more apparent (one way or another) as time passes, which is part of it.
Other than the rsoultin post though, I don't have much reason to suspect him. I liked how he agreed with my post on Kelsi3r and bolded the most important part. I haven't played with marvellosity as mafia but when we are both town we have tended to see things similarly sometimes, and this reminded me of that.
Most importantly though I think it's best to wait for a while.
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On June 08 2024 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what's your read on marv atm?
it's meh
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I dont get Trfel case on Kelsier, i understand Kelsier on that just by reading his filter. I think it's a stretch to have a read like Trfel does here.
I have to read Mocsta's shit aswell, but then there is the stuff between them. Idk how any of this is relevant at all, it's just some random shit throwing for no reason, NAI.
Kelsier's last post is a bit suspect to me though. Game is on, he has been playing, of course he should read the game, what the fuck is that kind of question in the first place, or why ever should a townie post that?
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On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
she does that as mafia, you are right.
this however does not look like that.
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On June 08 2024 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
she does that as mafia, you are right. this however does not look like that.
the games i base my opinion on, are not in the database, while they should be 
that hurricane (or something) mafia, and the one game 2015 (or 2014?) on valentines day where i afks for 24 hrs and got lynched after i had scumlist of 8 ppl and 6 of them were mafia and one SK. 
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On June 08 2024 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:can you tell who is mafia? if not, then maybe reading is a good talent toi have.
fuck man thats a good ass meme
I will try and read
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On June 08 2024 03:09 Trfel wrote:Worst List Post of All TimeTownMaybe Townrsoultin + Show Spoiler +It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler +This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler +Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this scott31337 + Show Spoiler +Made you look die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler +I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better. Vivax + Show Spoiler +He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler +Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole how did I forget this
My work, my work! Don't post too much!
I shall return
When I come back, I expect to see much vote alakaslam based on this... but I can do no different! Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler +I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. Idk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet.
cant hate the amount of effort you put into this
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I like sandro on a filter dire
dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all
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Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all.On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait?
Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him.
Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later.
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I dont really care what marv does as long as he does something, that should tell enough. Marv can be looking "terrible" as town as well.
One of his something's however is a shit read on rsoultin. marv, elaborate on that?
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On June 08 2024 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
*Of mine i mean.
Idk if i should be worried about that marv read on her, but it definitely raises my eebrows.
Alan Kohol detected 😁😁😁😁
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What about AlphaZero, Trfel?
Not sure if to townread them for their posts so far.
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On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation
Is this not the person YOU want to lynch? Wtf
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Hiya Slam how is Chupazi?
July, Finland or mafia?
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On June 08 2024 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really care what marv does as long as he does something, that should tell enough. Marv can be looking "terrible" as town as well.
One of his something's however is a shit read on rsoultin. marv, elaborate on that? Yes but he didn't do anything?
His mafia reads are scott31337, who he didn't even mention, and Mocsta, who he did ask a question or two to. It doesn't look like uninvested town marvellosity to me, it looks like he doesn't actually care about finding mafia.
Even uninterested town marvellosity would remember his thoughts for later. He wouldn't have many thoughts, but he would still care about the thoughts he did have.
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On June 08 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tingling voice in my head sas lynch marv
Wtf what changed between wanting Rayn to lynch Sandroba with you to this? I don't see any argumentation or significant post from Sandroba to warrant such a change?
What do mine eyes not see?
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On June 08 2024 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What about AlphaZero, Trfel?
Not sure if to townread them for their posts so far. I wouldn't townread them. But I don't have any real reason to suspect them, either.
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On June 08 2024 04:20 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tingling voice in my head sas lynch marv Wtf what changed between wanting Rayn to lynch Sandroba with you to this? I don't see any argumentation or significant post from Sandroba to warrant such a change? What do mine eyes not see?
where do i want to lynch sandroba?
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On June 08 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tingling voice in my head sas lynch marv
Wait rayn said this not rsoul lol disregard my previous post
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