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best case just dropped. Puts rayns sandroba case to shame.
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On June 14 2024 04:34 scott31337 wrote:
Is there a Mocsta/DMB world in your eyes Koshi?
Are you pretty sure it's dmb/Slam.
Slam is voting on me.
Did you see the dmb post rayn quoted? Would dmb do that? Attack both sandroba and mocsta?
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On June 14 2024 05:36 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:37 AlphaZero wrote:
This game is fairly straightforward from now on.
Mafia is in dmb/scott/mocsta with an outside chance of vivax.
Everyone else is much too likely to be town. Alpha disagrees with that though.
Not really. He has 4 names.
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On June 14 2024 05:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Koshi seems to me to be testing the water constantly before casting his vote
Liar liar pants on fire.
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On June 14 2024 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Can‘t blame anyone for falling to manipulation though so I‘ll edit a few posts out at the end of the game that were not game relevant. It wasn‘t their fault.
Huh? Not game relevant posts? I must have missed them.
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So rayn. I am off to bed.
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On June 14 2024 09:14 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2024 09:08 AlphaZero wrote:
im going to be thoroughly unpleasant to deal with in the post game if scott is mafia, what are you talking about? If scott is mafia, and i get pushed off his wagon day one and day 3, im going to complain.
The thing is. He isnt.
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On June 14 2024 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Mocsta (5): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
die_meatbaby (1): Koshi, Vivax
AlphaZero (1); Scott31337, Mocsta
Scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam
Not Voting: Trfel, Mocsta
With 5 votes, Mocsta is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Koshi first post in the game:
On June 09 2024 13:17 Koshi wrote:That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba.
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On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
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Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is
DMB/AZ
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On June 14 2024 15:54 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ But that drops you down to a measly 25% first post read accuracy  That's like... the RNG rate. So much for bragging points I guess. [/b]
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Look guys. We need to kill the girl.
It's simple.
Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third.
I said it before.
Kill small fishes first.
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I am officially launching a nuke towards dmb.
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I wonder if rayn is using all his sandroba kred to save dmb today.
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On June 14 2024 16:09 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ Wrong. [/b]
DMB is correct though
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On June 14 2024 16:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:09 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ Wrong. DMB is correct though [/b]
Oops I forgot
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On June 14 2024 16:16 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 16:01 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:53 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 15:51 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:41 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.
I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. That's fair and understandable. I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree? I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway. Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote. yeahi agree about voting early in the day -> you are talking about optionality.. and to me, AlphaZero goes about optionality slightly differently. i mean, i know people say they dont understand my read progressions. yet, this is completely different to AZ where people distill his sandroba read as town, even though he has posts to defend he thought sandroba was scummy the actions do not line up with the words & it is the actions that i believe led people like me (maybe rayn) to mentalise that az townread sandroba I'm sorry, could I ask for clarification about what you mean here? Is this supposed to be a reason to suspect AlphaZero? Is it because he says things about being suspicious about sandroba but also is defending sandroba? Because that wasn't my interpretation of what happened tbh. damn right its a reason to be suspicious of anyone whose words dont match behaviours. that applies in real-life and in this game we call mafia. we all saw in d1 how calculated alphazero can be with his approach to command[/b[ attention.
the expectations for words and behaviour *should* be higher for az than in comparison to for example slam
its inexcusable that a player who command attention can have multiple people misread his intentions in such a push-pull way.
Again, i stress this is not the same as me. with me, people do not understand how i connect A to Y (chose now to right Z for AZ lol)
And yeah, i tsbecause clearly i seem to skip every letter inbetween and go ta-da
I'm not accusing AlphaZero of that at all.
I am accusing him that the pathway from A to B to C is too clean, meticulous and curated
Thats not town play. I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh. Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no? Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this.
Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia?
I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up. I agree that this is possible.
Everything is possible. But can we lynch dmb today?
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On June 14 2024 16:17 Trfel wrote:
Dang it Koshi, you're just doing this to irritate me aren't you :/
##vote Koshi [b]
I wouldnt dare.
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On June 14 2024 16:18 AlphaZero wrote:
Koshi why do you think mocsta is town based on that Appeal to emotion.
Because he is actually not playing in a way that aligns with that post.
I find his latter posts to lack emotional congruence with the rage quit post.
I guess I don;t get why you find it compelling.
Also what is it with your reads changing like leaves in the wind?
you have literally implied almost the whole game could be mafia at this point, is this like a strat to quote yourself and show you were right when literally anyone flips mafia?
Yes.
I think dmb is mafia.
Anybody who is with me early on this is town.
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Damned.
RAYN I am sure dmb is mafia. Can we pls pls pls lynch her and I will lynch your target tomorrow.
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On June 14 2024 16:22 Trfel wrote:@Koshi: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 16:40 Koshi wrote:
Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
So we can lynch them first and then battle it out. This is just a random thing I thought of a while ago, but can you explain this? Let's imagine for a moment that you have transcended the bounds of possibility and were right on all these reads. How then, do you presume to lynch mafia!sandroba and mafia!Mocsta and go into a showdown with mafia!marvellosity, after you called out the entire mafia team three days previously, and not somehow get night killed along the way? Or is this whole thing just fake?
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Exavtly. I already said it once. If it is Mocsta why am I not dead yet. Then rayn just insulted everybod and their mothers iirc.
But it isnt Mocsta. It is sandroba dmb and a mystery man
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