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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 12 2024 00:31 GMT
#3341
On June 12 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority

I'm going to keep my vote where it is

This is just a waiting game to deadline

Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else?
Have you seen the vote discrepancy?

It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5

Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds

It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable
Who?

Scott's come in and won't change
Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here

Trfel has been in and no change.

Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority.


Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist
well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do

There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion

I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct”
maybe that's something I can improve in the future

I mean I'm not 100% on my reads obviously.. it's just I'm at a point I can work with 9 of 11 players.. unfortunately the two willing to talk (who knows maybe move as well) happen to be the two I won't work with.

Sorry oats

I don’t get it though, they might not follow you but you’ve seen how persistent I can be so why wouldn’t they follow me?
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 12 2024 00:31 GMT
#3342
On June 12 2024 09:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
unless ofc you know sandroba is going to flip town.


I said tops

that means 0-3


Tbh this could have been rayn projecting that he knew sandro was town.

Really weird accusation but we will find out
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 12 2024 00:32 GMT
#3343
I think yall have miscommunication
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2024 00:34 GMT
#3344
Where is AZ?
table for two on a tv tray
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 12 2024 00:40 GMT
#3345
On June 12 2024 09:30 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Scott did my answer help you?


Wanted to see where your head was. Thank you!

So yes, it did.

Help you form any reads?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2024 00:42 GMT
#3346
On June 12 2024 09:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:28 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2024 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
unless ofc you know sandroba is going to flip town.


I said tops

that means 0-3


Tbh this could have been rayn projecting that he knew sandro was town.

Really weird accusation but we will find out

what's weird about it?
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 12 2024 00:43 GMT
#3347
On June 12 2024 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority

I'm going to keep my vote where it is

This is just a waiting game to deadline

Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else?
Have you seen the vote discrepancy?

It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5

Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds

It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable
Who?

Scott's come in and won't change
Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here

Trfel has been in and no change.

Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority.


Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist
well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do

There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion

I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct”
maybe that's something I can improve in the future

I mean I'm not 100% on my reads obviously.. it's just I'm at a point I can work with 9 of 11 players.. unfortunately the two willing to talk (who knows maybe move as well) happen to be the two I won't work with.

Sorry oats

I don’t get it though, they might not follow you but you’ve seen how persistent I can be so why wouldn’t they follow me?
honestly, i never considered that
its actually valid and let me know stew on it.

im in a work meeting right now, so today is over. but if im around d3, yes, this is encouraging . thanks
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2024 00:44 GMT
#3348
table for two on a tv tray
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2024 00:44 GMT
#3349
On June 12 2024 09:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 09:30 scott31337 wrote:
On June 12 2024 09:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Scott did my answer help you?


Wanted to see where your head was. Thank you!

So yes, it did.

Help you form any reads?


I'd have to say a town point for you.
Otherwise reasonably the same.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2024 00:45 GMT
#3350
i .... really ... cant....
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 12 2024 00:51 GMT
#3351
Scott as concisely as possible what would your own reasons be to be on sandro ?

Went over your filter but it‘s mostly questions and little statements imo.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 12 2024 01:01 GMT
#3352
Went over it again but I‘m fairly sure your suspicion arc was largely based on inactivity, you don‘t act consistent with your former case on AZ at all and there are generally no concrete reasons for you to be voting sandro just … Very vague.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 12 2024 01:21 GMT
#3353
On June 12 2024 09:13 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:42 scott31337 wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority

I'm going to keep my vote where it is

This is just a waiting game to deadline

Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else?
Have you seen the vote discrepancy?

It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5

Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds

It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable
Who?

Scott's come in and won't change
Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here

Trfel has been in and no change.

Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority.


Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist


I'm here as well until deadline although I have some chores to do in between still and hopefully nothing blows up at work.
Copy. You were pretty clear you will go sandroba >> dmb

Let's leave that

Separately, can you walk me through your koshi town read? Is it based on koshi, or dependent on team associations?l.as an example?


I did townlean rsoul, but rsoul is an extremely difficult read for me. Like her town/scum game seem very similar to me. So I go more on votes and actions/etc. But this info is in my filter.

So when Koshi replaces her - he did have some things going on for him. Koshi came in wrecking ball trying to figure this game out and with the typical town dgaf Koshi attitude. He has mostly similar thoughts as I do (there's a couple variations, but the consensus is there).

So that's the jist of it.
yeah I can see that

Maybe this is something we can reevaluate after the flip
.thanks
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2024 01:24 GMT
#3354
I'm not going to build a case in the last hour here but

First was the Keisl3r read that I thought was a bit out there
Second was this

On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote:
The major thing(s) with Sandroba is -
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 10:21 EDT
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me


And then went to

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 16:41 EDT
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today


There was a post from Keis -

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 04:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
I like sandro on a filter dire

dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all


And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile

on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie


I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null.


And I still feel quite similiar to this. Where's the scum hunting/game solving?

On June 10 2024 21:37 sandroba wrote:
I finally have time to play again. Sorry all - family stuff kept me super busy during the weekend. I'm glad that even though I was inactive I was not lynched, but it sucks that you killed Kelsier which to me was one of the town reads I was more confident about. I have to catch up from around page ~30 onwards !! Hoping there is some juicy stuff around the lynch.


FYI this was made on page 121

My Magic N1 post was made on page 112

On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.



So there was 90+ pages of nothing of interest?

This town post feels forced. I mean I'm glad he thinks I'm town, because I am, but it really put me off as the second return post.

On June 10 2024 22:34 sandroba wrote:
Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town.


This is out of order. So did he read my filter first?

So yes, those are the main reasons I want to lynch Sandroba.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 12 2024 01:24 GMT
#3355
I still think it‘s a bad lynch. Hope I‘m wrong.

Scott‘s reasons for being on the wagon are just not satisfying imo. But maybe Trfel just has a default bloc that sheeps him idk. Scott, az, Oats
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2024 01:25 GMT
#3356
Now I see

I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:

So disregard what I was thinking there

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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 12 2024 01:26 GMT
#3357
On June 09 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
i mean apparently i'm a sucker for being buddied by mocsta and i can pretend i sorta remember but i don't really that game, but i just don't think that mocsta switching is scum mocsta even if kels is town and scott is mafia


You are overthinking or mafia. STOP IT!
i do find this post from Scott incongruent with the bebop approach

Does anyone else find this comparatively unusual?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2024 01:27 GMT
#3358
Still feels off to me. I mean how much can you do with that filter?

Plus calling Koshi mafia
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 12 2024 01:28 GMT
#3359
On June 12 2024 10:25 scott31337 wrote:
Now I see

I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:

So disregard what I was thinking there

Wait Wait

One pint for scummiest is he came across as reading filter instead of thread

Now you recognize he did indeed do that publicly

How does that affect your read?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 12 2024 01:29 GMT
#3360
On June 12 2024 10:26 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
i mean apparently i'm a sucker for being buddied by mocsta and i can pretend i sorta remember but i don't really that game, but i just don't think that mocsta switching is scum mocsta even if kels is town and scott is mafia


You are overthinking or mafia. STOP IT!
i do find this post from Scott incongruent with the bebop approach

Does anyone else find this comparatively unusual?


I'll let others chime in, but rsoul does a lot of overthinking or overtyping. I'm not the best at phrasing it - but I could see her going in circles - especially when I was leaning town on her.

I wanted to be clear.

I don't like swearing in mafia (or RL) either but there are times I still do it.
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