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On June 11 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:33 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:32 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 09:27 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.
I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy. It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum. For me that ain’t true because. 1. I am smurfing to be low efforts 2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be. 3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me. An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things . Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others. I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too. I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning. I agree with the koshi thing. What more did you want me to say about it? If you agree you think he is mafia and if you think he is mafia you adjust your other reads accordingly. There‘s a maybe 1% chance we‘re scum together for example, or sandro with him.
I never really thought you were mafia though. I was voting with trfel cause he asked me too.
That was more about trusting my trfel read over my read on you.
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On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well.
That’s true. And I agree that it’s hard because there are too few obv townies. But I think that’s what points to Rayn koshi as mafia. Cause we know they are capable of being obv town, especially when they are playing together
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On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity
It is, but he had a IRL excuse.
If there is an increase in activity now I think its less clear.
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On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve?
He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't
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On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up
The Sandro wagon looks bad imo.
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On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy
I assume that this is the question you want me to answer,
I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews
The post you quoted was weak I agree.
I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way.
And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb
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On June 11 2024 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also if Rayn and koshi are mafia they are playing horribly just fyi
More likely to play horribly as mafia than town.
Especially koshi.
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On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back
I don’t think that contradicts anything
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On June 11 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town
Disagree. He is not smart and not obv town. Two red flags
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On June 11 2024 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:18 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town Disagree. He is not smart and not obv town. Two red flags Explain the not smart bit
Koshi usually has really insightful and smart moments as town. That means he is obv town even when asking to get lynched. This game he is being ‘not that’
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Oats explain like I am 5 why you are convinced Sandro is mafia.
Which wagon are the mafia on now then, you think they bussing?
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On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with??
Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out.
But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough.
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Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things.
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On June 11 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough. Enough for who????
For you to decide on whatever it is you need to determine with this line of questioning assuming you are town
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On June 11 2024 13:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough. Enough for who???? For you to decide on whatever it is you need to determine with this line of questioning assuming you are town I’m trying to get you to vote Sandro
I don’t want to vote with koshi Rayn and dmb
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On June 11 2024 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things. Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town
I’m working with trfel who is objectively the towniest player in the game.
Why are you not working with town?
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I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird.
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On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case
I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives?
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On June 11 2024 13:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
@az
What’s going on in the whisper thread with rayn
Nothing. Timezone diff.
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  And then... Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them  *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game?
All very valid.
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