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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:06 GMT
#2841
On June 11 2024 13:05 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.

It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things.

Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town


I’m working with trfel who is objectively the towniest player in the game.

Why are you not working with town?

Trfel isn’t working with me, I can’t do anything about that.
Like are you reading this game or a different one?
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:06 GMT
#2842
How am I not working with you?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:08 GMT
#2843
I mean sure, sometimes I've been ignoring you because you're insufferable and impossible to work with, but I'd definitely put that on you, not me. I can see that being debatable I suppose.

Is there anything in particular you want/expect me to work with you on? I'm not going to lynch sandroba. Not only are your reasons either incomprehensible or awful, but I'm voting for a really scummy person with the town leaders who I have to assume, are town, and the other wagon has all of the scummiest people in the game. I'm just not switching, absolutely no way.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 04:13 GMT
#2844
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.

So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 11 2024 04:18 GMT
#2845
On June 11 2024 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon?

On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb

dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response.

i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much.

the most certainty i currently "feel" is:

1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read


2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful

given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me

thats where i am at dude

Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle

I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people?

Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who?
GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks

if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you.

i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY

Yeah okay great talk
im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful

please help me understand your worldview
is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town?

Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town.

You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest
no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me.

whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between.

maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world.

in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you?

Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him.

Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning
no, instead im saying that his interactions with people have not led me to read those people as town/scum. so i find his filter meaningless and not seeking to solve the game

i.e. hes not asking questions to others, that help me to discern *THEIR* alignment
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:19 GMT
#2846
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:20 GMT
#2847
On June 11 2024 13:06 Trfel wrote:
How am I not working with you?

Okay fine, sell me on the koshi/rayn partnership.
From what I can tell reading your filter, you do think Sandro is mafia independently of anyone else, you just don’t think so atm because koshi and Rayn are going after him
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:20 GMT
#2848
On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.

This is the exact opposite of working with people btw just you know for your information
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:21 GMT
#2849
On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.

So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird.

So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:21 GMT
#2850
On June 11 2024 13:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
[quote]
dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response.

i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much.

the most certainty i currently "feel" is:

1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read


2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful

given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me

thats where i am at dude

Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle

I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people?

Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who?
GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks

if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you.

i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY

Yeah okay great talk
im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful

please help me understand your worldview
is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town?

Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town.

You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest
no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me.

whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between.

maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world.

in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you?

Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him.

Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning
no, instead im saying that his interactions with people have not led me to read those people as town/scum. so i find his filter meaningless and not seeking to solve the game

i.e. hes not asking questions to others, that help me to discern *THEIR* alignment

Huh?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:23 GMT
#2851
Not that I’ve heard anyone play that way but you seem to think Sandro is town based on Rayns posts so that’s not even consistent?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:25 GMT
#2852
@az
What’s going on in the whisper thread with rayn
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:26 GMT
#2853
On June 11 2024 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 13:06 Trfel wrote:
How am I not working with you?

Okay fine, sell me on the koshi/rayn partnership.
From what I can tell reading your filter, you do think Sandro is mafia independently of anyone else, you just don’t think so atm because koshi and Rayn are going after him
No, I don't think there is much reason to suspect sandroba. The only reason is that he has been low activity/involvement. I could see him being mafia, but when that's the only reason, and there are strong reasons to suspect other people, I'm much, much more inclined to look somewhere else. The fact that his wagon is all the scummiest people in the game seals the deal.

If the game weren't in such a rough state, I'd like to think more about sandroba. As it is, he's one of the few players providing any sanity to the game, and there are a lot of people I think are more suspicious than he is. In addition to the likelihood of him being town, I feel forced to hope that he is town, because I think we absolutely need sandroba to be town to have a chance at winning this game.
On June 11 2024 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.

This is the exact opposite of working with people btw just you know for your information
My impression of your play is that whenever you are around, you're bullying townies out of the thread and preventing any discussion. If that's working with people to you, idk.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:32 GMT
#2854
I don't know for sure if raynpelikoneet and Koshi are mafia together, I don't like to work with unflipped associations. But there are plenty of reasons to scumread them individually, and I see no reason they couldn't be mafia together.

Raynpelikoneet has been extremely illogical and useless. He's been discussing a ton but not showing any insight, critical thinking, or desire to solve the game. His town play is quite strong, this clearly isn't it. Other than sheer post count, I can't think of a redeeming quality in his play.

Koshi has been solid at times, but I think he really gave himself up in the confusion over the Vivax lynch and then not lynching Vivax. He's just said enough things that make no sense.

I guess maybe this makes me more confident in raynpelikoneet being mafia, but I still think Koshi definitely could be mafia.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 11 2024 04:35 GMT
#2855
On June 11 2024 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Not that I’ve heard anyone play that way but you seem to think Sandro is town based on Rayns posts so that’s not even consistent?
is this to me or trfel?

i dont know where i sit with sandroba.. i had a question that was important to me to discern alignment (re: genuinity of scotts case on az) which you cockblocked instantly. i concede it wasnt guaranteed for sandroba to respond to it though
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 11 2024 04:37 GMT
#2856
On June 11 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote:
I don't know for sure if raynpelikoneet and Koshi are mafia together, I don't like to work with unflipped associations. But there are plenty of reasons to scumread them individually, and I see no reason they couldn't be mafia together.

Raynpelikoneet has been extremely illogical and useless. He's been discussing a ton but not showing any insight, critical thinking, or desire to solve the game. His town play is quite strong, this clearly isn't it. Other than sheer post count, I can't think of a redeeming quality in his play.

Koshi has been solid at times, but I think he really gave himself up in the confusion over the Vivax lynch and then not lynching Vivax. He's just said enough things that make no sense.

I guess maybe this makes me more confident in raynpelikoneet being mafia, but I still think Koshi definitely could be mafia.
i know we you have explained your reads here more than i, yet this does capture the essence of how i see/feel/internalise the game.

in my world we have said the same thing lol.. woe is me
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:41 GMT
#2857
On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.

I think constantly saying this is worse than anything I’ve done but got off I guess.
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:43 GMT
#2858
On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together)

can you help me why sandro?
On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why?
On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he was really townie when he was in thread tbh
And then...
On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok?
On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:
On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.

Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.

Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them.

i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that?
Why are you making this argument?
If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"...

@raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case.

i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can.
If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting.
What?

Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.*

If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them

*Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand.

Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it.

I dont think they are both mafia.

I think sandroba is worth considering.
Also, can anyone possibly believe this?
On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:
On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there.
Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched.

Is there any reason why I should think you are town?

I made the best case anyone has this game.
Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this:
On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.

That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.

Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"?????
Is the best case in the game?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 04:43 GMT
#2859
On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:

I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him).

Trfel what changed your mind about Sandro from this post to the most recent one you made where you said he’s actually been very sane
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 04:43 GMT
#2860
On June 11 2024 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:

I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him).

Trfel what changed your mind about Sandro from this post to the most recent one you made where you said he’s actually been very sane
Nothing? I think pretty much the same?
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