Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 14

On June 13 2024 18:05 Mocsta wrote:
yeah, i literally just read 114 sandroba hits in his filter looking for his d2 case - which there isnt one.

his take on sandroba has been pretty damn consistent and lines up with thread evolution..
all his stuff with sandroba has been reactive too, and has maintained his top reads. I dunno, really does come across to me as a townie working across multiple suspects

On June 13 2024 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Dont get me wrong, i think Trfel is 99,9999% town. Trfel however is trying to actively do bad things to the town.
Slam ia 100% town for the rage quit, 100%.

On June 13 2024 18:47 Mocsta wrote:

dude. its already there, i gave 2 specific scenarios that only unlock based on dmb because dmb was the counter wagon

i know you read good too, what is this?

On June 13 2024 21:43 Koshi wrote:

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On June 13 2024 15:18 Trfel wrote:
Yes, it's possible that AlphaZero is mafia and realized too late that he should bus sandroba and then decided it would be too suspicious to switch and just ended up not bussing him. I think AlphaZero is clearly a better player than this, but I can't entirely rule out the possibility.

Even if you think "well Trfel, someone's gonna say that same argument you just said about why mafia would bus and how AlphaZero not joining the wagon doesn't make him mafia," you're not wrong, but this doesn't give him a reason to do this as mafia. AlphaZero not switching to sandroba didn't change the fact that sandroba was going to get lynched. In contrast, if AlphaZero switches to sandroba, he avoids all the knee-jerk "you didn't vote for mafia so you are mafia" scumreads. That's generally well worth it.

Sure, AlphaZero could have realized he should bus too late, and maybe thought it would look too suspicious to switch votes late and decided to deal with the knee-jerk repercussions, but.... why?

The point though is, AlphaZero as mafia doesn't gain anything by any of this. He didn't really attempt to defend his scumbuddy sandroba, and he didn't get any town credit for bussing. I don't think any of this is alignment indicative at all.

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If you want to scumread AlphaZero for being wishy-washy on flipped mafia sandroba, this makes more sense to me. I don't think it's super strong or anything, but I think it's at least a reasonable argument that you can make. I don't think that you can conclude anything from AlphaZero not ending up on sandroba, however, because AlphaZero and sandroba (and presumably also mafia #3) didn't try to defend sandroba.

I'm not trying to bash you for being wrong, my point is, I think it's distinctly possible (in fact, I think it's extremely likely) that AlphaZero is simply town and was wrong day 2.

I don't think the argument for scumreading AlphaZero due to not voting for sandroba holds any water at all. I don't think the argument for scumreading AlphaZero for going back and forth on sandroba is very strong, though it's at least got a little merit. With those things being unclear, I think AlphaZero's day 1 was a very strong indication that he is town. So that's how I am reading him. Sure, he did a bunch of stuff that's not alignment indicative, but that's not going to change my townread because it's not alignment indicative.

On June 14 2024 04:34 scott31337 wrote:
Is there a Mocsta/DMB world in your eyes Koshi?

Are you pretty sure it's dmb/Slam.

Slam is voting on me.