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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 00:15 GMT
#2761
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
I dunno, I'm a huge sucker for gambler's fallacy.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:15 GMT
#2762
On June 11 2024 09:14 Vivax wrote:
To me it‘s like the part I left out in AZ‘s post was just filler to make him not look like he‘s not caught up.

Scummiest post in the thread right now.
Textbook even.


I just didn't see the vote thread bro.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:16 GMT
#2763
On June 11 2024 09:15 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:14 Vivax wrote:
To me it‘s like the part I left out in AZ‘s post was just filler to make him not look like he‘s not caught up.

Scummiest post in the thread right now.
Textbook even.


I just didn't see the vote thread bro.


Don‘t bro me brouhaha.

Have at thee
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:16 GMT
#2764
:p
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:16 GMT
#2765
On June 11 2024 09:15 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
I dunno, I'm a huge sucker for gambler's fallacy.


its a fallacy for a reason.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:16 GMT
#2766
alright gotta do work, at this rate, ill even be working all weekend.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 11 2024 00:18 GMT
#2767
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
cool

Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.

I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.

I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority

Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:21 GMT
#2768
On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
cool

Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.

I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.

I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority

Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player.


I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:23 GMT
#2769
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:25 GMT
#2770
They‘re completely glossing over the part that made Koshi go furious and just throwing generic reads out.

Maybe they are the scum and Koshi‘s was a townie reaction.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 00:25 GMT
#2771
On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
cool

Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.

I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.

I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority

Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player.


I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch?
I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:27 GMT
#2772
On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.


It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum.

For me that ain’t true because.

1. I am smurfing to be low efforts

2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be.

3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me.

An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things .
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:28 GMT
#2773
On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
cool

Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.

I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.

I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority

Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player.


I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch?
I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best.


I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest.

That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:32 GMT
#2774
On June 11 2024 09:27 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.


It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum.

For me that ain’t true because.

1. I am smurfing to be low efforts

2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be.

3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me.

An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things .


Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others.

I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too.

I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 11 2024 00:33 GMT
#2775
On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of

((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)?


Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv)


I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much
cool

Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott.

I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier.

I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority

Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player.


I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch?
I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best.


I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest.

That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive.
I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple.

Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:33 GMT
#2776
On June 11 2024 09:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:27 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.


It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum.

For me that ain’t true because.

1. I am smurfing to be low efforts

2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be.

3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me.

An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things .


Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others.

I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too.

I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning.


I agree with the koshi thing. What more did you want me to say about it?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2024 00:38 GMT
#2777
On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.

I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.

With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.

With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.

With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.

Not strong, I know.

I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.

Agree with the points RE: DMB.

Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?


How would Sandro self resolve?
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22216 Posts
June 11 2024 00:38 GMT
#2778
On June 11 2024 09:33 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:32 Vivax wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:27 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.


It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum.

For me that ain’t true because.

1. I am smurfing to be low efforts

2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be.

3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me.

An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things .


Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others.

I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too.

I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning.


I agree with the koshi thing. What more did you want me to say about it?


If you agree you think he is mafia and if you think he is mafia you adjust your other reads accordingly.

There‘s a maybe 1% chance we‘re scum together for example, or sandro with him.
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:39 GMT
#2779
On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.

I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.

With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.

With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.

With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.

Not strong, I know.

I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.

Agree with the points RE: DMB.

Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?


How would Sandro self resolve?


He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia.

Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 11 2024 00:40 GMT
#2780
On June 11 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 09:33 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:32 Vivax wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:27 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Trfel was right we have to be more specific.
What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it.

I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy.


It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum.

For me that ain’t true because.

1. I am smurfing to be low efforts

2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be.

3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me.

An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things .


Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others.

I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too.

I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning.


I agree with the koshi thing. What more did you want me to say about it?


If you agree you think he is mafia and if you think he is mafia you adjust your other reads accordingly.

There‘s a maybe 1% chance we‘re scum together for example, or sandro with him.


I never really thought you were mafia though. I was voting with trfel cause he asked me too.

That was more about trusting my trfel read over my read on you.
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