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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 22:11 GMT
#2721
Sorry I don't really have much to say. I think the arguments are out there and I can't really say anything more to add, they're about as strong as they can be. Just waiting for something to happen I guess.

And taking potshots at Koshi or raynpelikoneet as opportunities present.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:12 GMT
#2722
On June 11 2024 07:09 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side

yes
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:13 GMT
#2723
It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:14 GMT
#2724
Except Trfel, but his case is shit. And he is town.
table for two on a tv tray
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 10 2024 22:14 GMT
#2725
On June 11 2024 07:09 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side


Pretty sure you are wrong
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 22:14 GMT
#2726
On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax

Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though

Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it

Vote me then
you are active yes
Light hearted .. sort of

I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with

Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up

Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see

Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 22:15 GMT
#2727
On June 11 2024 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum.

Is that not symptomatic of scum well played?
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 10 2024 22:15 GMT
#2728
On June 11 2024 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum.


Because you haven’t established your innocence in a timeframe that is normal for you. But I’ll talk to you shortly on discord if you are around.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:15 GMT
#2729
It's also insane that people scumread Koshi for what???? Getting mad at Trfel fake case?
lol
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 22:16 GMT
#2730
On June 11 2024 07:11 Trfel wrote:
Sorry I don't really have much to say. I think the arguments are out there and I can't really say anything more to add, they're about as strong as they can be. Just waiting for something to happen I guess.

And taking potshots at Koshi or raynpelikoneet as opportunities present.
this is about Scott right?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:16 GMT
#2731
On June 11 2024 07:15 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum.


Because you haven’t established your innocence in a timeframe that is normal for you. But I’ll talk to you shortly on discord if you are around.

not today, i am going to bed soon.

that's also a very very bad reason to call me mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2024 22:16 GMT
#2732
On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax

Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though

Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it

Vote me then
you are active yes
Light hearted .. sort of

I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with

Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up

Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see

Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy

Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something?
I had a good night of sleep.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 22:17 GMT
#2733
On June 11 2024 07:16 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:11 Trfel wrote:
Sorry I don't really have much to say. I think the arguments are out there and I can't really say anything more to add, they're about as strong as they can be. Just waiting for something to happen I guess.

And taking potshots at Koshi or raynpelikoneet as opportunities present.
this is about Scott right?
No actually. Just in general.

I haven't lost hope quite yet.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2024 22:19 GMT
#2734
On June 11 2024 06:42 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:
I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia.

He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him

Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this.

Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar?
Explain me how sandroba is town??
If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him?
I don't have a super confident read on sandroba or anything but currently he is being voted by the people in the game I find most suspicious. This makes me very incentivized to keep him alive. He's been low activity/involvement, but that alone doesn't make him mafia imo.

You said that he has townreads early, some people value their early townreads, it's a playstyle thing. I will note however that sandroba didn't say he was townreading AlphaZero, just that he liked the point that AlphaZero made. I will note however that the final post of these "townreads" was post #283.

By this point, your townread rsoultin said she liked where Vivax's head was at, and that she liked AlphaZero. I don't consider three to be significantly more than two, especially since sandroba was posting at a later point in the game, where there was more that happened. Basically though what I am getting at is that early townreads aren't atypical at all. For example, when rsoultin came back she almost immediately said I looked good (post #343).

I don't think Mocsta is a power role, or if he is, it's definitely not because of his post about jailkeeping Oatsmaster or whatever he said. I don't see any reasons that you have given for Mocsta to be mafia outside of associations with sandroba (who I don't really think is mafia) and him saying he is a power role (which I don't believe). If you have other reasons, please let me know.

If you are town, I'm going to need some help to see it so we can lynch Koshi and/or raynpelikoneet here. Or heck, even someone else if there is good reason.


On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
rsoultin/koshi
Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would.

Scott

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town


I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games.

Trfl
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good

I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing.
Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team.
For right now I see him as a Townie

Sandroba
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba
this is 2 page filter.
he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier.
far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again.

IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now:
Mocsta
sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me


looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates
then the next posts felt to me like playing togther
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda.
yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options

I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query)


the sandro we never saw sandro again...
what happend was

Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1

I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR?
Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro?

and why jail oats anyway?
if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats?

Or have I already found the team here?

this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me!

also in the same time i think
Vivax
I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again.
He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct

or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats.

AZ
I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now

Rayn
In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him.

Slam
to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him


AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM


I already explained here why they are together.
I have a hard times to read rayn. Why do you think he is mafla?
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 22:22 GMT
#2735
On June 11 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax

Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though

Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it

Vote me then
you are active yes
Light hearted .. sort of

I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with

Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up

Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see

Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy

Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something?
like even then, I'm not filled with that laughter I get from a town koshi, even when being an absolute dick, there is a charm to get away with ii.. I don't see it here
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 22:24 GMT
#2736
Yes, die_meatbaby, I looked at the post you quoted when I made my post. I've seen it already, that was what I was responding to.

I don't think it's valid to scumread Mocsta because he is mafia with sandroba. If sandroba flips mafia, then maybe you have a case. Until then, you don't know if sandroba is mafia, so there is no reason to think Mocsta is mafia.

Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 22:26 GMT
#2737
On June 11 2024 07:24 Trfel wrote:

Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false.

Prove it is false then.
I am getting angry i need to go to bed.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2024 22:39 GMT
#2738
On June 11 2024 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax

Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though

Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it

Vote me then
you are active yes
Light hearted .. sort of

I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with

Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up

Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see

Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy

Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something?
like even then, I'm not filled with that laughter I get from a town koshi, even when being an absolute dick, there is a charm to get away with ii.. I don't see it here


I am sad I am not entertaining my fans.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2024 22:40 GMT
#2739
On June 11 2024 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:24 Trfel wrote:

Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false.

Prove it is false then.
I am getting angry i need to go to bed.

Sleep well sweet prince ❤
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 22:48 GMT
#2740
On June 11 2024 07:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 07:22 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:
On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax

Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though

Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it

Vote me then
you are active yes
Light hearted .. sort of

I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with

Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up

Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see

Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy

Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something?
like even then, I'm not filled with that laughter I get from a town koshi, even when being an absolute dick, there is a charm to get away with ii.. I don't see it here


I am sad I am not entertaining my (only) fans.
ftfy
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