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Scotty's awesome N2 post
So I first want to go over Mocsta's case.
I will say, it's better than mine. 
On June 12 2024 13:55 Mocsta wrote:AZ <--> Sandroba is pretty bad there is a constant push-pull of: "yes sandroba is scummy, and shoudlnt be here after N1.. BUT.. i want to vote someone else" its actually really really shocked me how long this has been running for. in fact: AZ scum, DMB town
PULL Starts as a townish read Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there.Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh.
PUSH 12hrs later flips read... Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that.
PUSH - ~3days ago to Marv on N1.. Defends Sandroba Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:26 marvellosity wrote:
Not hugely confident on the oats read, but I think if this was his 95th mafia game in a row he’d be less…
Maybe just less. The reason I’m reconsidering oats is that it’s all surface level. Like he is probing and poking stuff. But really he ended up on the really shitty kelsier lynch and didn’t do anything with the poking and prodding. I started to get worried it’s performative. Because to me at least it lead to a very underwhelming. Maybe I’m being pocketed but I think Mocsta looked very town latter part of the phase. I think the people who didn’t really consider Scott and who just defaulted to kelsier are worth looking at. As is sandroba to be honest. I know that you probably don’t like to hear that as you have this kind of ‘good player’ mutual respect thing going on.
But he is someone who is a priority shot day one in previous games.
Something has changed here.
PUSH D2 Start.. locks into dmb, does not engage with other F Tier reads Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Tier lists
S tier: Marv, trfel.
A tier: koshi Mocsta
B tier: oats
C tier: vivax, Rayn, slam
F tier: Scott, Sandro, dmb,
PULL 24hrs later... active defense of F-tier sandroba Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro.I think DMB is likely.
PULL 2hrs later.. more active defense of F-tier sandroba.. further, Rayn was listed as "C-tier" read, where is the effort to discern what this weak case means for Rayn? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:40 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Hey raynpelikoneet, can we talk about this for a little? I don't want to upset you and once again I am sorry that I did so, but if you are town I would very much like to understand where you are coming from. Specifically the third paragraph, would you be able to explain where that is coming from? Here are the things sandroba said on rsoultin during D1: On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
Now after that Koshi enter the game in place of rsoultin, and sandroba's take on that D2 is: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. I understand if sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia. Why does he have to justify it with something rsoultin did? Similar to the Oats thing in his catch up, that's all out of place, this doesn't make any sense. If sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia, why write anything about rsoultin, if he thought rsoultin is null? It's like, "because i think this person does now look scummy, suddenly their other posts that are null became scummy as well". If you get what i mean? This case is really weak.
PUSH-PULL 5min later... flips F-tier Sandro read Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:45 AlphaZero wrote:
Lif anything sandros post on koshi being 100% mafia like that is an argument for him being town.
I haven’t seen any good reasons that make Sandro mafia except he is worse than prior games.
Now this is true. But I also saw him almost get mislynched for similar reasoning previously.
I’d be more comfortable waiting it out another phase and flipping dmb.
But I realise I don’t have the influence or time to get it done.
PUSH 7in later - Sandroba is less town Rayn.. i.e. at best: null, at worst:scum Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:52 AlphaZero wrote:
Honestly I’m not convinced Sandro is more town than Rayn .wither of them could be mafia. At least Rayn is here trying to play.
Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself.
PULL 1hr laterlets ignore all the sandroba push-pull and jump onto DMB, with no interaction or read progression Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb PUSH
PUSH-PULL Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 20:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline ]Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia.
Later Sandroba returns (i.e. isnt afk), AZ returns... yet no interaction, and vote together after all this. AZ scum, DMB town
So the first PUSH about Sandroba needs to do things is pretty weak. I felt the same way.
The D2 PUSH/PULL Is a bit better. F tier with me, and then "I'm not sure on sandro"
And I believe Sandro did not post during this time. This is pretty bad.
The next PULL I don't even see how it's a PULL.
The next one on flipping on the sandro read has a PUSH PULL - except he highlights half a sentence. Doesn't really fit.
But of course he does not want to lynch Sandro in the paragraph also.
Then AlphaZero goes back to DMB.
It's better than my case, and I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over. But I think it's the best case around.
I think AZ is mafia.
Next - vote colors
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sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy
Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this.
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
Applying this to D1 lynch
Day One
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
Thanks for coloring these. I started one last night but I'm going to steal yours. FYI - Just use Notepad3 and use the replace function. Works better for me.
I'm pretty confident in coloring Alaka green, so I will do such. Same as rayn.
I really want to color Vivax red - but I'm not fully sold yet.
Occam's razor tells me it's Sandroba/AlphaZero/Vivax. GG right? Can't be that EZ right?
The voting would sure say such.
On June 13 2024 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nah there’s no shot it’s az and vivax
I'll respect my townreads advice. AZ/Slam?
Or else it's conspiracy theory territory. Like AZ/Trfel or AZ/Rayn.
Koshi - He's ride or die town with me.
Oatsmaster He's my second highest townread. Lynched scum yesterday. Asking relevant questions.
raynpelikoneet He's third at the moment. And until D4+, we're not going into conspiracy theory territory (listed below)
Trfel He's so town by tone, and how much he communicates and ask questions. He's just been off on correctness. So it makes me slightly worry. Still wants to lynch DMB which I'm doubtful is mafia.
Alakaslam Did jump on the mafia bandwagon at the end. We need more from you D3 sir. I feel you are the puzzle piece to solve this.
I'm still leaning town on Mocsta. He's had some weird posts though. If he's around D3, I think we need to go over some things seriously.
I'm town leaning DMB. I just do not see a mafia/mafia wagon D2. It COULD be - but if it was, Vivax and AlphaZero voted elsewhere. If it was Sand/DMB/Vivax or Alphazero and you know ones going down, why vote elsewhere? So that doesn't make much sense. Also, DMB has had some townie posts - I kind of disagree with Trfel. I don't want to lynch DMB tomorrow either unless something crazy. If someone wants to do a REAL case, I'm willing to listen. But also points above too.
AlphaZero The dead horse of beating. He (I assume) talks a lot, wants me dead, seems to only want townies dead. Flip flop on Sandroba or saying he's F tier but doesn't want to lynch. Felt it D1/N1, hasn't gotten any better. Best choice to lynch.
Vivax - By my PoE he's the other scum, unless some crazy conspiracy theories below. But we're not there yet, that's D4+ time. I'm willing to listen to any cases though. Just so..... ?
Conspiracy Theory time -
Trfel with his lynch whereever (Went Vivax D2 which I thought was decent, bailed on it, went DMB, asked to lynch me as well, did he want to lynch Koshi as well?) and kept his guns with DMB for quite some time. Did go to Sandroba when I think a bus time (lost cause) would. But I am not going to lynch him tomorrow D3 unless something crazy happens.
Rayn did a bus on Sandroba D2 and be the first vote? Extremely unlikely, but we have to think about all possibilites.
So I will sheep Mocsta's case (Although not super great, was better than mine) and I would like to lynch AlphaZero tomorrow.
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On June 13 2024 11:01 AlphaZero wrote:
so basically scott claimed scum. because his DMB read is super waffly, but he slipped that DMB was town.
I've read DMB town pretty much the whole game
Not nearly as waffly as your Sandroba read
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Oats you will not die in vein
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So Mocsta
If you want to wait until other townies have more intel/info for today
or even until D4 I'm fair with
But are you hard claiming?
That's the part I was speaking we were going to have a convo about
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On June 13 2024 11:09 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 11:01 AlphaZero wrote:
so basically scott claimed scum. because his DMB read is super waffly, but he slipped that DMB was town. Alrernative scenario is that he had that read on dmb for other reasons than being scum. I was thinking investigative maybe. But the flipside could be mafia. Yeah makes sense, until his last post has her as basically null.
"I'm town leaning DMB."
What the fuck are you talking about?
It's literally right here
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193865
Mocsta's case
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193475
I don't like to get personal in games.
But are you just going to keep ignoring or lying?
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On June 13 2024 11:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:11 scott31337 wrote:
So Mocsta
If you want to wait until other townies have more intel/info for today
or even until D4 I'm fair with
But are you hard claiming?
That's the part I was speaking we were going to have a convo about I can talk to you i mean. i dont see how a claim changes anything?
Because if you haven't been CC (counterclaimed) you are probably confirmed town and things make more sense
But like i said it can wait until D4
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Did you read my N2 post?
Any thoughts?
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On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in.
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Well we don't know who you are anyway.
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On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows?
We=town.
I still think JAT is the most reasonable guess. But it's really not important, unless of course you do not want to ever play with me again.
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On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts
I have not recently said you do not have any posts.
I just have a difficult time figuring out your alignment by most of your posts.
I have a difficult time figuring out Chezinu in the same way. But by PoE and votes I GG'ed him out last game.
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On June 13 2024 11:38 AlphaZero wrote:
mocsta and scott are both calling slam mafia right?
Lets talk about that, cause I can guarantee that slam doesn't Rage Quit like that if he is mafia.
I'm not calling him mafia
He voted for mafia
Which is a point in his factor unlike yourself
Although late
He'd be like #4 down
But higher than you
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On June 13 2024 11:41 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies But I am always happy to see at least a nice person like you around here pls stay
I am content with how us town are in the position we are.
I just am more focused on solving this and am more straight to the point.
Ya'll want to come to the country in the United States?
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rant time
The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well.
Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts.
**** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country.
The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer.
I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN
I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me.
The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road.
Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes.
Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes.
Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes.
Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No.
I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next.
Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that.
Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are.
It's harder to prepare for what you cannot.
rant off
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On June 13 2024 11:55 Trfel wrote:No no no you don't want to live in the US, trust me. Die_meatbaby, did you really reread the entire game and everyone's filter, like you said you would here? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep.
Trfel! Welcome back.
At this time, who would you like to lynch?
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On June 13 2024 12:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:59 scott31337 wrote:
rant time
The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well.
Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts.
**** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country.
The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer.
I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN
I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me.
The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road.
Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes.
Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes.
Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes.
Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No.
I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next.
Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that.
Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are.
It's harder to prepare for what you cannot.
rant off
Giving birth in a Hospital costs twice as much as my Sport car. Same as here without insurance. Same as here without insurance. Our system funds most of the "advancements" they come out with. But it's a mess here too. Abortion in some states illegal no matter of raped or age... I could give you this but it's a stretch and not my discussion I want here. Some states have a six week abortion ban. Some allow Infanticide. I'd rather that not decide your alignment. Why does college cost so much there. Freedome means beeing able to get smart without beeing in debts for a half lofe time. If you go an nontraditional path (OUT OF STATE) it's very expensive. The frugal would go to a two year in state collage and transfer and then to a four year university. Or just go to a four year university IN STATE. Our student loan program should have never been allowed. And I'm tired of "forgiveness" - just dissolve the whole program completely, and supply and demand will balance itself again eventually. The pharmacy makes profits with overpriced medicines That's how they fund the research and development. That's why they are sold so much cheaper in other countries. Now, we could go on about how much they are pushed to fund said above. Schoolshooting, violence and guns in generall. School shooting are very rare, and extremely published. If you go into statistics. Our issue now is that the schools aren't actually teaching children reading, writing, and arithmetic (math). Violence and gun grime is generally specific to a specific region, population density, and how that population density votes. Chicago/Illinois has one of the strictest laws on firearms, but crime is extremely high. The Nummer of pedophiles in your country... I don't have the statistics here - but ped's are in every country. I actually believe our country has more private orgs that filter this out. I'll leave it at that. Should I say more or are we gonna play the game
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Trfel who do you want to lynch today?
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Trfel if you are town lynch AlphaZero
Unless you have multiple reasons to read him town
You like to talk a lot
Tell me how AZ is town or vote with us
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Trfel I think you are tunneled on DMB
She could be like x% mafia in my book?
Did you read my n2 post?
There's a very low chance we were on mafia/mafia by numbers
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On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:33 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel if you are town lynch AlphaZero
Unless you have multiple reasons to read him town
You like to talk a lot
Tell me how AZ is town or vote with us What part of "I'm catching up, I don't know" is so hard to understand?
Then catch up.
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On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda.
I thought it was past your bed time where you were located.
Where are you located?
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