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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:25 GMT
#3302
Messed up some formatting but the point is I have made my stance on Vivax abundantly clear so what we now know is that you have absolutely not read my filter.

Which is... something?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:26 GMT
#3304
On March 07 2024 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.

Go rayn!

youre still scum.

until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba.

until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is

You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment.

We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic.

I do not make associative reads

So, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now.

Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull.

It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game.

Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies?

this is not an associative read in normal sense.
it's similar to you calling slam 100% town for masoning you last game.


Yeah but that 100% read was a complete and utter lie.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:28 GMT
#3307
On March 07 2024 00:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:20 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.

I like a bunch of mafia in:

rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts

then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy

vivax
trfel
hapa



then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve

iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve

and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town

sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi

None of the lists are in any particular order

I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.

where is your case on vivax?


There's no case I think he's town.

I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1.

Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it.


Last 7 times.

I like talking about policy lynches, sue me.

Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:31 GMT
#3309
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.

Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.

raynpelikoneet

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:33 GMT
#3311
Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.

Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:36 GMT
#3313
Btw the thing Sandro said about marv paranoia being towny is a true statement. In fact that was one of my primary complaints about marv pushing me yesterday when I said he wasn't pondering or questioning himself, just sorta low key attacking me.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:37 GMT
#3315
On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.

Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.

raynpelikoneet


fite me!

Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:38 GMT
#3317
Sorry turned Irish there for a moment
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:39 GMT
#3319
On March 07 2024 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:37 Palmar wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.

Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.

raynpelikoneet


fite me!

Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter?

I have read enough.

Well those posts I quoted are pretty well spread out in my filter.

Which parts did you read that allowed you come away with such a strong conclusion?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:39 GMT
#3320
On March 07 2024 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie.

I find it important.

Also if it's not important, why all the caps?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:40 GMT
#3323
Can someone else chime in here, am I crazy? Didn't everyone else know how I felt about Vivax? At least everyone that had looked into anything I said..
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:40 GMT
#3324
On March 07 2024 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least the parts i base my read on you.

Which parts are those?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:47 GMT
#3332
On March 07 2024 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:40 Palmar wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least the parts i base my read on you.

Which parts are those?

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Adding to palmar from me/marv QT:

"Palmar was trying to buddy sandroba and me, when it didnt work on me he called me mafia WITH marv. His read progression on VE is trash, or like the lack of it."

And earlier:
On March 06 2024 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar says its possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv, that should already be like 100% scum claim.

Palmar claims VE lloks worse does absolutely nothing about it, while VE is his best buddy he is really really really good at reading. scumclaim #2

On first point, that's completely unreasonable thought. Like scum rayn masons scum marv and THEN scum marv masons town sandroba. Never ever in his head the thought of this being ridiculous on all fronts appears.

Second point needs no explaining.



I don't think I ever tried to buddy anyone. I give reads who are independent and you know this. If you are town you should be stopping and thinking "oh yeah, Palmar, as town, last game talked about how he doesn't make associative reads and does things independently".

Now I won't fault you for forgetting that, but when I point it out to you it should greatly weaken your first point.

The second point about VE is also kinda weird. I have had a change of heart about VE, but he was never my primary scumread yesterday, I just mentioned that him falling off a cliff made him look worse. Why do you care so much about my read on VE? I've arguably said more about VE than I've said about for example iamp or dmb or Rels.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:52 GMT
#3335
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia.


Let's break this down.

I initially made a tone read on VE and explained that it was mostly that, along with some theorycrafting, shitting on people using unccd as a thing. That latter part is NAI but whatever.

The second time I talked about him I mentioned him looking a little worse, and then I made another post about him and Trfel needing to step up. I feel like this makes perfect sense given VE's lack of activity in the later parts of D1

And now during the night I said he's fallen off a cliff, which I kinda think is a fair characterization of his play.

What's the problem with this? I admit, he's not been a primary investigative target of mine, but I don't think I've said anything weird.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:54 GMT
#3336
On March 07 2024 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:47 Palmar wrote:

The second point about VE is also kinda weird. I have had a change of heart about VE, but he was never my primary scumread yesterday, I just mentioned that him falling off a cliff made him look worse. Why do you care so much about my read on VE? I've arguably said more about VE than I've said about for example iamp or dmb or Rels.

because youre super good at reading VE

I'm not though.

We have played a bunch of games together, but he's not really one of those players I have a set of expectations for. I enjoy playing with him when he's on, but again, no idea where you get this idea from that I'm some VE oracle.

I don't think I'm bad at reading him, mind you, just not really any better than other people have played with him, or better at reading him than other people.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:56 GMT
#3337
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.


Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 15:58 GMT
#3338
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Rels made a good point about your stance on marv's scumread on you. Maybe Rels is mafia with you as JAT thinks, but nevertheless it's a good point, you just shrug it off like it's nothing. And people buy that shit from you.



Just didn't want to talk to Rels really. His entire point is based on some perceived strangeness regarding marv, that if shit ever hits the fan I could cajole marv himself into confirming isn't weird. And at that point Rels had no thread presence and I felt like arguing something so dumb was just gonna mess with the thread.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 16:00 GMT
#3340
On March 05 2024 23:25 Palmar wrote:

It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself.


I'm not saying I'm a genius but maybe I am. :D
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 16:01 GMT
#3342
On March 07 2024 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia.


Let's break this down.

I initially made a tone read on VE and explained that it was mostly that, along with some theorycrafting, shitting on people using unccd as a thing. That latter part is NAI but whatever.

The second time I talked about him I mentioned him looking a little worse, and then I made another post about him and Trfel needing to step up. I feel like this makes perfect sense given VE's lack of activity in the later parts of D1

And now during the night I said he's fallen off a cliff, which I kinda think is a fair characterization of his play.

What's the problem with this? I admit, he's not been a primary investigative target of mine, but I don't think I've said anything weird.

So did you or did you not read VE's fliter?

Because you have basically claimed to follow the thread with ctrl+f palmar on people's filter?

Did not.

Opened it, skimmed a little, but no I didn't read his filter.

Obviously that ctrl+f thing is a hyperbole with a tiny bit of truth in it
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 06 2024 16:01 GMT
#3343
On March 07 2024 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.


Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?

so do you think it is 1% possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv masoned town sandroba?

I don't think about the game that way and refuse to have this argument again with you.
Computer says mafia
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