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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 13 2024 00:23 GMT
#7241
Btw. voting VE instead of Oats is actually something that looks bad for Palmar. It is also very obvious though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 13 2024 00:24 GMT
#7242
In Sunless Sea there‘s a place called Mt. Palmerston. You can drink tea with a devil on it.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 13 2024 00:46 GMT
#7243
On March 13 2024 09:16 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 09:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote:
For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):

CC
MZ
DMB

+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)

I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia.


Why not? He wants to lynch you. Is he bussing you for an easy win?

Backup your read with reasons please.

I have multiple times. If you aren't reading then I cannot help you. If this game was as easy as "everyone who wants to lynch me is mafia" then it would be quite boring, wouldn't it?


Legitimately sorry if I've missed it. The game is so big I've had to speed read a bit. Glad you acknowledge him voting ve over oats is sus.

It would be helpful if you can compile that read on him into one clear post or refresh our memories but understand you need to leave for now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:03 GMT
#7244
On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last

Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.

It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.

I wonder. Now that VE flipped scum, her insistence on calling VE town looks like TMI to me
If CopCake is scum, then DMB has to be town too. That's the 2 players she's treated as confirmed town throughout the last day
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:08 GMT
#7245
On March 12 2024 20:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2024 17:29 Koshi wrote:
CC has been center of attention so cba to talk about her anymore. The selfvote sits bad and the fact she TOWNREADS VE is completely bananas. But if it makes her mafia. Pffffffffff


It’s tmi.

Fuck
Yeah
It probably was
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 13 2024 01:15 GMT
#7246
Yeah but did VE have tmi on cc? He didn't vote for her when he was on the line either?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 13 2024 01:16 GMT
#7247
Sure if Palmer flips town we can revisit. Otherwise we kill him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:19 GMT
#7248
On March 13 2024 03:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please.

I think he is town.

Why?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:21 GMT
#7249
On March 13 2024 10:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah but did VE have tmi on cc? He didn't vote for her when he was on the line either?

He didn't, from the Palmar case:
On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.

And after:
On March 11 2024 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 21:07 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.

marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.

The only standout is DP


Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D

Wasn't it just?

Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer.

His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here.

There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia.

Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win.

I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.


I am not mafia cool boy.



But so many people say you are, and the majority are NEVER wrong are they?

I just want you to be, i have no opinion on whether you are or not until I filter you. I'm not confirmation biased, just desire biased.

I'll make you a deal though. If I think you're town after reading, I won't join my vote with the rest of the people countering my wagon. I'll vote for someone I think is mafia. Deal?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 13 2024 01:21 GMT
#7250
What‘s with anyone wanting to kill Palmar first.
He‘s someone you can safely take to mylo/lylo.

The ones you don‘t want at those are martyrs, trolls and anti-town players.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:23 GMT
#7251
On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, please explain how this:
On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Game is still very interesting.
I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable.

We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one.


Next.


As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry.


I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.

I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.


JAT & Rels. So difficult.

Palmar (((

I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.

Became this:
On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.

On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.

On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control

Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.

With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?

I did. And we are still friends.


Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer.
Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you

It was me. I cba with that.

I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:24 GMT
#7252
On March 13 2024 06:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote:
I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so.


Why?

??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
March 13 2024 01:27 GMT
#7253
On March 13 2024 10:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote:
I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so.


Why?

??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2.

throwing busses around on each other maybe ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10146 Posts
March 13 2024 01:28 GMT
#7254
On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, please explain how this:
On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Game is still very interesting.
I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable.

We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one.


Next.


As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry.


I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.

I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.


JAT & Rels. So difficult.

Palmar (((

I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.

Became this:
On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.

On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.

On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control

Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.

With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?

I did. And we are still friends.


Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer.
Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you

It was me. I cba with that.

I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day

To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:29 GMT
#7255
Meh
Despite all the good arguments, I really don't think Palmar dumbtells twice in the same post
Maybe that's stupid and I'll look stupid, but that's too much
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
March 13 2024 01:29 GMT
#7256
On March 13 2024 10:28 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:
On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, please explain how this:
On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Game is still very interesting.
I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable.

We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one.


Next.


As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry.


I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.

I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.


JAT & Rels. So difficult.

Palmar (((

I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.

Became this:
On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.

On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.

On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control

Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.

With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?

I did. And we are still friends.


Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer.
Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you

It was me. I cba with that.

I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day

To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.

It feels.like he hasn't been thinking at all though about it. Which is scummy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:30 GMT
#7257
On March 13 2024 10:28 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:
On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, please explain how this:
On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Game is still very interesting.
I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable.

We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one.


Next.


As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry.


I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.

I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.


JAT & Rels. So difficult.

Palmar (((

I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.

Became this:
On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.

On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.

On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control

Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.

With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?

I did. And we are still friends.


Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer.
Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you

It was me. I cba with that.

I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day

To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.

100% agree, don't really think I can make Koshi anything with that piece of info. But still super surprised
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:30 GMT
#7258
unless he's scum and someone else on his team got it but can't/don't want to handle the heat of talking 1:1 withs someone or claiming in thread that they can't be assed
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 13 2024 01:30 GMT
#7259
but probably far fetched
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
March 13 2024 01:31 GMT
#7260
On March 13 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:
unless he's scum and someone else on his team got it but can't/don't want to handle the heat of talking 1:1 withs someone or claiming in thread that they can't be assed

what do you mean? just not use it then ???
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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