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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
March 12 2024 21:19 GMT
#7201
On March 13 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m just assuming cake is town now.
You all can deal with her at mylo I don’t care anymore

May I ask what caused this drastic change? I really don't get it. That goes for everyone else who was so sure about this too.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 12 2024 21:22 GMT
#7202
hes pouting
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 12 2024 21:44 GMT
#7203
On March 13 2024 06:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m just assuming cake is town now.
You all can deal with her at mylo I don’t care anymore

May I ask what caused this drastic change? I really don't get it. That goes for everyone else who was so sure about this too.


What's difficult to understand about it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 12 2024 21:44 GMT
#7204
Meapak have you come to a conclusion on palmar?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 12 2024 21:44 GMT
#7205
On March 13 2024 06:22 iamperfection wrote:
hes pouting


This.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
March 12 2024 21:45 GMT
#7206
On March 13 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:22 iamperfection wrote:
hes pouting


This.

you forget we can just blame marv. And if palmar is scum we can REALLY make fun of marv which is always a win.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
March 12 2024 21:52 GMT
#7207
On March 13 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 13 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m just assuming cake is town now.
You all can deal with her at mylo I don’t care anymore

May I ask what caused this drastic change? I really don't get it. That goes for everyone else who was so sure about this too.


What's difficult to understand about it.

She was going against a town wagon, who was hammered. Unfortunate if she is mafia but no reason to change read or conviction. Is this the whole emo *you will not lynch her when I am dead* thing again?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 12 2024 21:57 GMT
#7208
On March 05 2024 06:22 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy

Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH

I agree with you being town.

I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats.



On March 05 2024 22:25 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote:
16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ

Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.

DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players.

I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh.

Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something.

But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter.


This is a weird read progression on me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 12 2024 21:57 GMT
#7209
So reading Palmar's filter the oats pressure early day one stands out to me.

On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy


On March 05 2024 09:54 Palmar wrote:
Oats scummy read is for announcing he wants to be mayor but then I skimmed a few more points and he didn’t really push the idea he should be.



On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:
So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.

Oatsmaster

Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor


Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.

Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?


I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.

You don’t seem to even want to be mayor


There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".

It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.

VisceraEyes

Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.

But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.

Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.


I have zero interest in lynching VE today.

DMB


So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.

Where did you wake up from???

It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?


Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM


She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.

She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.

But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.



It doesn't really mesh with this post afterwards.


On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.


Is Palmar the kind of player that can be swayed so easily from his early scum reads day one?

Cause he strikes me as the opposite.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 12 2024 21:58 GMT
#7210
On March 13 2024 06:45 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 06:22 iamperfection wrote:
hes pouting


This.

you forget we can just blame marv. And if palmar is scum we can REALLY make fun of marv which is always a win.


I blame everyone not on her wagon.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22393 Posts
March 12 2024 21:59 GMT
#7211
On March 13 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:45 iamperfection wrote:
On March 13 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 13 2024 06:22 iamperfection wrote:
hes pouting


This.

you forget we can just blame marv. And if palmar is scum we can REALLY make fun of marv which is always a win.


I blame everyone not on her wagon.


I only switched for your sake.
Wanted to give you that headstart before it‘s your turn.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22393 Posts
March 12 2024 21:59 GMT
#7212
Where is GabeN I want to talk to him
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 12 2024 22:04 GMT
#7213
On March 12 2024 23:22 Palmar wrote:
Starting some work:

For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much.

He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia.

In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game.

I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work.


Damn so you start looking into your reads and suddenly they're town can't find anything because maybe you're mafia?

Also Koshi's more than happy making complete 180 on various people without much backing it up and without using mason chat is mad sus ngl. Wonder if they're getting on a potential Palmer bus early.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 12 2024 22:06 GMT
#7214
Watch for them changing their mind and getting off it.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10336 Posts
March 12 2024 22:10 GMT
#7215
On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.

I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.

However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.



This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?

Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead.


Because it was out of nowhere.

There must be a reason.

Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way.




What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state?


I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage.

I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc.

There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl.

Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that?

I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me.

I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar.

He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”.

You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading.

1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion.

2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10336 Posts
March 12 2024 22:13 GMT
#7216
On March 13 2024 07:10 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.

I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.

However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.



This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?

Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead.


Because it was out of nowhere.

There must be a reason.

Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way.




What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state?


I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage.

I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc.

There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl.

Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that?

I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me.

I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar.

He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”.

You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading.

1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion.

2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding.

Correction, the part I was not understanding is why it's relevant now, but #2 is still a good question. You did address my original question by saying "I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar."

Didn't want to make it seem like I am moving goalposts on you.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 12 2024 22:19 GMT
#7217
Watch for Palmer faking activity like above.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2024 22:29 GMT
#7218
I will be voting Palmar tomorrow. Day after that JAT.
I dont care about much more and will probably slow down posting.

Tomorrow I will read Rels.

I think that should be enough.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2024 22:32 GMT
#7219
JLS
Vivax
DP

Iamp (only reconsider if cc is mafia)

Jealous
MZ
CC

Rels






JAT

Palmar
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 12 2024 22:33 GMT
#7220
DMB is under protection of MZ.
I had a good night of sleep.
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