I currently think rayn is town and he would be a good choice for mayor as well. However, rayn is much better scum than me. Also marv which I lean null atm has masoned me and wants to to get behind rayn. Which there is a fair town motivation to do, but also gives rise to some conspiracies in my head. Thus I think I'm the better, safer choice.

sandroba

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March 04 2024 16:29 GMT

#736

@mz It's more of a hunch and a feeling than any actual posts triggering alarm bells. That being said, it has been pointed out to me that his town meta has been known to cause this sort of suspicion, so I'll need to read up on it at some point.

sandroba

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March 04 2024 16:32 GMT

#739

Ah, both JSL and iamp have pointed out some dmb post as being scummy. Not sure if jsl read last game or previous dmb meta, but iamp I know has read it.

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March 04 2024 16:52 GMT

#751

@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats.

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March 04 2024 16:57 GMT

#754

On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads.

Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately.

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March 04 2024 17:07 GMT

#768

On March 05 2024 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba do you think mafia marv would mason you, or anyone?

possibly, if he had some agenda

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March 04 2024 17:14 GMT

#783

On March 05 2024 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Is he pushing some agenda? Aside from what i told him to push towards you?

Besides that no, but from my vantage point, I'm still trying to decide how unlikely this is to be mafia agenda

sandroba

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March 04 2024 17:21 GMT

#789

On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:
I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.

That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.

I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it.

Vivax, especially after this claim I really think you are town. However, you have likely rendered the role useless. Basically, making you mayor is prob guaranteeing a town mayor but not much else.

sandroba

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March 04 2024 17:46 GMT

#835

On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.

Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it.

Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it.

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March 04 2024 18:00 GMT

#849

On March 05 2024 02:49 marvellosity wrote:

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Hard to argue

coming around to marv maybe. iamp still not convinced. We have to find someone to push though, because as it stands it's very easy for mafia to hide and appear townie.

sandroba

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March 04 2024 18:04 GMT

#855

By process of elimination koshi, ve, jsl have given me the fewest or none reasons to find them townie so far.

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March 04 2024 18:56 GMT

#914

Not useless, but less useful than a jk. Either way, no use dwelling if it was a good play or not, there is no going back in time.
I haven't ruled out voting vivax for mayor.

sandroba

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March 04 2024 19:14 GMT

#961

Last game I read koshi's post and got townie vibes d1 pretty soon. Not so in this game. The aim of his posts doesn't feel pro town here. Hmmmm

sandroba

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March 04 2024 19:42 GMT

#1020

Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?

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March 04 2024 19:43 GMT

#1021

On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.

Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him

okay iamp moved to town

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March 04 2024 19:43 GMT

#1025

On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:

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On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,

I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).

May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?

Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.

Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.

Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.

Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?

And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?

I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.

Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.

Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.

I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?

That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.

You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.

If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.

Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.

still scummy

sandroba

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March 04 2024 19:44 GMT

#1029

On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:

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What post?

I like that this is what caught Rels attention

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March 04 2024 19:49 GMT

#1040

On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up

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Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP

See this:

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In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats.
And
I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.

So iamp lock town till D3

hmm i like your use of retardation

sandroba

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March 04 2024 20:00 GMT

#1069

On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:

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koshi posting still usless. Why is he town?

fair point by dmb tbh

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March 04 2024 20:03 GMT

#1078

On March 05 2024 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit.
DMB is mafia.

probably not rayn. People go by memory and feeling, I don't think her sentiment is fake there.