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On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?
Are you just not reading my filter at all and shouting louder than everyone....
On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax.
On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
On March 05 2024 22:51 Palmar wrote:
The tiny little fascist in me really wants to kill Vivax for making a bad play but I'm just gonna ignore that. I can't see clear scum posting in what I've filtered of him.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
On March 06 2024 08:48 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:45 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Technically 5 with The slam claim but somehow we're all collectively forgetting it happened at seperate times.
Right
Like I'm going to be mad if Vivax is mafia because I know in my heart that I'm being incredibly dumb not lynching him. But I'm allowing my gut to win against my inner fascist.
[B]On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game.
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Messed up some formatting but the point is I have made my stance on Vivax abundantly clear so what we now know is that you have absolutely not read my filter.
Which is... something?
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Yeah this is a dead end. Not worth it. Palmar’s stance was very clear regardless of his alignment.
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On March 07 2024 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative readsSo, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies? this is not an associative read in normal sense. it's similar to you calling slam 100% town for masoning you last game.
Yeah but that 100% read was a complete and utter lie.
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I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too.
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On March 07 2024 00:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative readsSo, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies? this is not an associative read in normal sense. it's similar to you calling slam 100% town for masoning you last game. Yeah but that 100% read was a complete and utter lie.
You said as much in the thread last game
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On March 07 2024 00:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:20 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax? There's no case I think he's town. I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1. Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it.
Last 7 times.
I like talking about policy lynches, sue me.
Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target?
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On March 07 2024 00:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 00:20 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax? There's no case I think he's town. I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1. Very helpful. As it was the last time you mentioned it. Last 7 times. I like talking about policy lynches, sue me. Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target?
Talk about jealous
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So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
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On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote:
I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too.
I thought the rayn read was pretty unique in the thread.
He thought exactly what I thought about Jat.
He coloured Hapa all green which I think is a super ballsy move if he’s mafia
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Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.
Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on.
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On March 07 2024 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
He coloured Hapa all green which I think is a super ballsy move if he’s mafia
that's the only townie thing i found in that post.
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Btw the thing Sandro said about marv paranoia being towny is a true statement. In fact that was one of my primary complaints about marv pushing me yesterday when I said he wasn't pondering or questioning himself, just sorta low key attacking me.
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On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me!
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On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me!
Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter?
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On March 07 2024 00:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me! Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter?
I have read enough.
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Sorry turned Irish there for a moment
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Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie.
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On March 07 2024 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:37 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me! Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter? I have read enough.
Well those posts I quoted are pretty well spread out in my filter.
Which parts did you read that allowed you come away with such a strong conclusion?
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On March 07 2024 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie.
I find it important.
Also if it's not important, why all the caps?
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