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On March 12 2024 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:00 Palmar wrote: But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low.
What are you talking about? Oats was never seriously pushed in this game before slam claimed his check. Vivax talks about a lot of stuff - am I supposed to think dp is in danger to be lynched today? Because our mayor said he is mafia. Oats led the lynch at one point in day one. Vivax, the presumptive mayor who actually held a KP on day 1 was voting him. That’s different from now when Vivax has no KP.
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On March 12 2024 00:27 CopCake wrote: I wouldnt mind Palmar lynch or Rels lynch, mostly because it would give ME perspectives.
But cake stop with your scenarios.
Cant forgive Tfrel got lynched out of thin air. He got lynched for supporting a wagon he had no idea what was about and then just fucking off.
But I do agree, I never thought he was mafia, didn't vote for him.
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By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp jls koshi cc dmb vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous iamp rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat mz ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to.
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This is an obviously useless path to go down at the moment. You're just wasting space. I don't mind you holding a tinfoil theory in your head, but please read the room.
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On March 12 2024 00:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:53 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote
Ahhh I can't decide. Oats voted VE with iamp. Maybe we just kill iamperfection here because he voted with mafia on D1. I don't really have anything on iamp.
My entire thought process on him is literally just: "iamp is a great player but he has kinda... just existed this game".
It's just a feeling, and I can't really back it up without actually reading him. I feel like he's sort of around, comments on things, but doesn't really get much done one way or the other. Most of what he says feels a little passive.
There is an easy town explanation for it though, he simply likes the way the game is going, but it could also be indicative of there needing to be an investigation down the line.
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I wanna talk a little about VE.
I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH".
So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado.
If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case.
But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie.
Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line.
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On March 12 2024 01:00 iamperfection wrote: You are a bufoon. I literally lead the wagon on trfel. I said it's just a feeling that I can't back up.
I had a similar feeling about Trfel last game, and when I finally bothered reading him I came away thinking lock town. That's a big part of how we won that game.
You're not up for lynch today, so it doesn't really matter to me.
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I have the same feeling about MZ btw, he somehow has like 15 pages of filter and I can barely remember a single thing he has said. And his takes have been worse than iamp.
Also some dead townies I trust said iamp is town so that's good enough for me for the moment.
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On March 12 2024 01:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective. I just don't buy this post. It's like that game where he posted out of nowhere D1 and got me lynched when I was asleep doctor. Ve, MZ, JAT seals the deal not much else to say.
Yeah, this is pretty much where I stand at the moment.
I'm sure we're gonna be wrong on something, but I feel like that will reveal itself down the line.
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On March 12 2024 01:28 CopCake wrote: ##vote: palmar Do I dare ask why?
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On March 12 2024 01:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 01:42 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 01:28 CopCake wrote: ##vote: palmar Do I dare ask why? Votes. You were saved. Oatmaster never dared to put a single vote on you to even look “townier” and most of the votes you had were made by town (rayn, etc) I can't control what mafia does. If you want to lynch me based on what mafia does I can't argue with that, but it's stupid.
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On March 12 2024 02:05 CopCake wrote: At some point the list looked like this
Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous Justanothertownie (5): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels
Then MZ and Oats added the votes to JAT making it 8 to Tfrel and 7 to JAT
That would have put JAT in danger.
Hey jat's wagon looks pretty pure as well!
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On March 12 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote: I should have quoted with the strikes but yeah, phone posting.
Where is DMB?
Btw if you're town, remember your logic here in the post game.
Because it is strictly the incorrect way to play mafia. Vote count analysis is about the most useless thing you can do.
I'm not gonna argue about it now, but if you think someone is mafia, you should go read their filter and find out why they're mafia for what they said. Ideas like the one you have here is just bad play.
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On March 12 2024 04:24 iamperfection wrote: Maybe just lynch anyone who self votes. I'm sure palamar would support. It’s a good policy
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On March 12 2024 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 01:06 Palmar wrote: I wanna talk a little about VE.
I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH".
So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado.
If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case.
But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie.
Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line. This is so many words to "All of a sudden I don't think VE is mafia but I want him dead anyways" But ya Palmar likes playing with me guys. lmao
No. I think you’re mafia. That explains your play this game without me having to be annoyed at you for throwing.
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On March 12 2024 04:04 Koshi wrote: I kinda expected more from VE. As either alignment. lol Been my point for a while.
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I begrudgingly accept that jat looks a tiny bit better
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On March 12 2024 04:52 justanothertownie wrote: You are so self-centered it is actually amazing. I don't always play like this but because something in my play makes people really, really want to kill me I often end up being a lynch target/controversial player.
I'd love to play a game where I'm not constantly worried about people trying to murder me.
But while they do it, one of the more fun ways to analyze people is to see whether or not they're calling me mafia for reasons I believe they believe.
Also, it's not my fault that after more than a decade mafia doesn't know the trick is just to pocket me hard cause I'm a sucker for that.
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On March 12 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote: See even if palmar is mafia at least he plays to win. You see what some of you have driven me to. I just complimented palamr. I will not forget this injustice. Like this is out of game stuff, but I really, really believe in game integrity, and always have.
This game is fun because we make it fun. Sometimes it's hard to motivate yourself to go get shit done, but people have to remember it's not about them. It's about making sure everyone else is having a real game to play.
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Do we know if CC does this as town? I think I've played with her before but it's been so long I can't remember.
I am not going to catch her on logic and arguments because nothing in the way she thinks about the game chimes at all with how I think about it.
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