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On March 10 2024 20:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Alternative to whom? You are on VE so I take it you disagree with the CC wagon?
Yes.
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Like the VE no fun argument is great and hard to argue with it. It’s not like his limited contributions have been stellar
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On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
I agree with this.
I mean it isn't even hard. I am absolutely willing to be burned by a lazy non-fun-having VE if it's somehow wrong.
The VE has no fun = mafia angle is in my brain an incredibly, incredibly strong point.
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On March 11 2024 04:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me. I try not to use irl excuses stuff in games, specially as mafia.
I appreciate this.
I do it myself, I never make excuses for not paying attention. People just need to take it at face value.
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On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you.
You do know why we're killing your right?
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On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two?
Lol this doesn't matter for now.
To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia.
But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed.
We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc.
Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game.
I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.
The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown.
Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT?
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On March 11 2024 19:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you. You do know why we're killing your right? Silence I think you're probably scum and I can't right now.
See this isn't exactly helping your case...
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town.
Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever.
But I've decided to ignore that for now.
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l'm also not massively excited by killing Rels right now, but he is absolutely a guy that needs to be re-read.
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On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP
Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D
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On March 11 2024 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:23 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:19 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough. Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday Was actually 2 days ago On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr Ah well, Koshi hasn't answered yet either IIRC, but to be fair he might have just missed them. Vivax doesn't have that excuse. So, good point. @Koshi, can you respond to the above? Why did you push a VE wagon at EOD2 over red checked Oats? I pushed against the Oats wagon the entire day. I thought Oats wasnt be mafia. I was very sure about it.
Very rude treatment of me saying Oats was scummy back there.
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On March 11 2024 20:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Koshi and jat haven't flipped how do you know it was pure?
It's a jab at jat, specifically
He did vote me without having any reason to do so.
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On March 11 2024 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 20:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Koshi and jat haven't flipped how do you know it was pure? It's a jab at jat, specifically He did vote me without having any reason to do so. Did it hurt your big business man feelings? 
Very important
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On March 11 2024 20:40 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar how do you have nothing to say about this idiotic dp vivax cop nonsense.
Because it's stupid setup speculation.
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On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
To be clear, marv called me 90% town and rayn was mafia, so neither of those count.
Also I do love playing with you, that's just bullshit. It's not a thing I would lie about as either alignment.
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On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
Palamr ignored the shit show of last night because he is mafia. So I support this. Plus added benefit that marv is wrong which is always nice. I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game
Good analysis.
I only read and talk about stuff I'm interested in.
Speculation on what mafia does is not one of those things. I can't control mafia and I can't know the setup, so I literally do not care about any discussion about it.
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On March 11 2024 23:53 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 23:49 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
Palamr ignored the shit show of last night because he is mafia. So I support this. Plus added benefit that marv is wrong which is always nice. I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game Good analysis. I only read and talk about stuff I'm interested in. Speculation on what mafia does is not one of those things. I can't control mafia and I can't know the setup, so I literally do not care about any discussion about it. Don´t worry right know I prefer to look in the filters from Koshi and Reels at the moment. I'm sceptical about their aligment more then yours.
Koshi is in the tinfoil pile, you should probably not waste much time looking into him because we're not lynching him today.
He is unpredictable, and he thinks I'm town so maybe he's mafia.
But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low.
It exists, and if anyone is ballsy enough to pull it off it might actually be koshi, but as I stated, we're not at the state of the game where we need to be lynching people who have objective reasons to call them town, and Koshi is in that category.
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On March 12 2024 00:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:00 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 23:53 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:49 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
Palamr ignored the shit show of last night because he is mafia. So I support this. Plus added benefit that marv is wrong which is always nice. I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game Good analysis. I only read and talk about stuff I'm interested in. Speculation on what mafia does is not one of those things. I can't control mafia and I can't know the setup, so I literally do not care about any discussion about it. Don´t worry right know I prefer to look in the filters from Koshi and Reels at the moment. I'm sceptical about their aligment more then yours. Koshi is in the tinfoil pile, you should probably not waste much time looking into him because we're not lynching him today. He is unpredictable, and he thinks I'm town so maybe he's mafia. But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low. It exists, and if anyone is ballsy enough to pull it off it might actually be koshi, but as I stated, we're not at the state of the game where we need to be lynching people who have objective reasons to call them town, and Koshi is in that category. do you have any thoughts about rels
I haven’t given myself the time to go back to read him. But I think DP called him town after diving into it and I’m somewhat willing to sheep that now
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