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/in
Warfare themed. Who we fighting ? The bears be biting when they should be glowing, and I wonder what prevents them from showing.
Lately when I was busy snowblowing, I felt a bump in the ground and a chunk of fur was spat out accompanied by distinctive howling.
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Nah, no drama Might grab excerpts from other games and make nebulous references to irl events instead.
Hii Palmar.
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Lucien Lachance has disappeared but Cicero has arrived and locked the Wagonborn and Lydia into the coffin of the night mother, protectin them from harm while furiously pleasuring himself to the display.
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On November 23 2023 09:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2023 08:45 die_meatbaby wrote: I need to have Jacobstrangelove in every future game here. I can't play anymore without the short erotic summary after every day You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
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Hello.
On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far.
We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded).
'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment.
'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that?
On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote: I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature
This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either.
Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments?
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On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote: If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin.
I agree.
On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote: Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:Hi everyone, hope you have been well Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote: Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote: How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?
I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh.Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed.
The bolded part from DP is a very backhanded way for him to 'begin' his suspicion arc of Trfel while potentially constructing himself a way of potentially distancing himself from Sandro by saying that he doesn't like the Slam bit in the same breath.
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On December 10 2023 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 18:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? Town. Depends mostly on what he answers to your question towards him. So you'll have to wait for my read.
Where is said question and why do you need him to answer it?
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Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
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Do you have a riddle for me Trfel?
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On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:Mostly just this: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote: I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no?
It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post.
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On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote: Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote: I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide? Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly.
It helps him unfreeze if he's mafia. Which helps me.
Slam looks okay. I don't think he's been following thread sentiment, just hanging around, posting random thoughts. Extremely laid back. Seems fine to me. It's like he's watching raindrops through a window of safety which suggests town.
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##Vote: raynpeelikoneet
Because I need an answer and HF conveniently voted.
What is Chez up to?
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On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:30 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 18:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? Town. Depends mostly on what he answers to your question towards him. So you'll have to wait for my read. Where is said question and why do you need him to answer it? This: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 17:10 DarthPunk wrote: Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game?
Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point.
Do you have a take on Sandros posts?
Marv, does Koshi's vote on you affect your read on him?
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On December 11 2023 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished Vivax do you have any thoughts on this?
No.
Koshi kinda scummy though. You maybe too. Just gut atm.
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On December 11 2023 03:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 02:57 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished Vivax do you have any thoughts on this? No. Koshi kinda scummy though. You maybe too. Just gut atm. Why
He's still lurking and withholding his innermost thoughts beneath the cheeky facade
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##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba
To answer your question from before, marv. I played with Palmar before. No, he hasn't met me yet.
DMB is null to me. Rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions, while with Koshi I don't know what's an actual opinion and what not.
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On December 11 2023 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:22 Vivax wrote: Rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions Ahh you have that thought, well you should keep voting for me for at least next 24 hrs prolly then ^^
I didn't say it made you mafia, but it makes you cautious.
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Greetings Holyflour, have you brought us a sand witch to roast?
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On December 11 2023 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: What exactly do you mean by conclusions in this case Vivax?
Like finding out that Chezinu works for methlab and might know something about the mafia.
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I didn't know they went to church in North Korea
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On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.
Why this phrasing.
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On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote: Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk?
Interesting position in that he suspects you. Who would you vote right now? And why didn't you vote?
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Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town.
I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can.
Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town.
Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote: Quick list post:
Slam Palmar
Marv Rayn Trfel
DP
Sandroba
Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything.
It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though.
On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote: Slam is chez town? Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet. He is no fool, but he can fool... Any other reads?> Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads.
When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.
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On December 11 2023 09:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote:Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town. I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can. Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town. Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly. + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote: Quick list post:
Slam Palmar
Marv Rayn Trfel
DP
Sandroba
Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything.
It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though.
On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote: Slam is chez town? Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet. He is no fool, but he can fool... Any other reads?> Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads. When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter. DMB? Trfel? Marv?
Undecided pile.
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On December 11 2023 09:34 Alakaslam wrote: Also Vivax pay attention to time stamps on 4 and 5 if you decide to read into 5
Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing.
Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia.
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On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote: Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play. I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing. You frequently exhibit an air of superiority.
Where? In thread or in discord? Really weird thing to say.
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I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.
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On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote: I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town.
Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly.
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On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote: I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though.
I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty.
You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel.
I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that.
##Unvote
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On December 11 2023 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote: Why is Palmar so confident about his opinion on who is scum. It´s D1 and this dude things he can just read everybody and knows thats scum. Is he like god of this game or why i nobody suspect about his conidence here?
This is a very townie post tbh, DMB clear for D1
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On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote: I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty. You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel. I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that. ##Unvote Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse #vote vivax
You need to [b ][/b ] the vote
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DP is scum probably. Cba to attempt to be less boring in this company lmao. The way the wagon on me formed is a total hellspawn and maybe there's a bit of fun to be had with rayn, Koshi and marv.
I claim VT.
I would also destroy Palmar in an MMA match fyi.
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It's been a while since I had one of those tiny Icelanders
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It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.
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I also plan on being entertaining when the mood is right, unlike pornstars you don't see my jokes coming from miles away. Right now the mood is that there's a lot of, pardon, excrement tier of information flying about and I'd rather find mafia without having to read every single post in here cause some guys I won't call out write like they wake up every morning with an adderall IV drip in their veins.
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On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?
When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you.
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With where your head should be, a Trfel wagon seemed to be your main choice but you turn out to be happier with wagons on me and marv?
Doesn't really make sense when there's better choices for a D1. It's like you are comfortable with a chaotic thread. Same goes for Palmar who started a wagon without a case of any sort.
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On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance.
It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player
This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting.
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On December 11 2023 22:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. You are saying that your wagon is shit and on the wrong player? Who do you think is the right player then?
Gut and purely from gamestate I'd say DP, Sandro, Trfel are the mafia (lots of unproductive verbosity from two while Sandro makes sense from a more frozen perspective).
In this context your unvote makes sense cause you don't want all three on a wagon.
HF, Chezinu would be policy lynches.
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D1 is when the mafia posts a lot of fake stuff and given DPs and Trfels word count which screams 'don't murder me cuz I'm doing more than everyone else' while not taking the thread into any meaningful direction I think that's a good combination.
Previously though I wasn't sure about the likelihood of mafia being among the first in the thread and considered removing Sandro + Trfel but that's wifom anyway.
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On December 11 2023 22:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:25 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:18 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. You are saying that your wagon is shit and on the wrong player? Who do you think is the right player then? Gut and purely from gamestate I'd say DP, Sandro, Trfel are the mafia (lots of unproductive verbosity from two while Sandro makes sense from a more frozen perspective). In this context your unvote makes sense cause you don't want all three on a wagon. HF, Chezinu would be policy lynches. You think the world is that mafia went after mafia who OMGUSed back onto their mafia partner, just for the 3rd mafia partner to pick one of the mafia partners to start tunelling? What on earth
It's a fake tunnel from DP. And why not? It's just as likely as any other scenario.
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There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle.
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On December 11 2023 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote: Why is Palmar so confident about his opinion on who is scum. It´s D1 and this dude things he can just read everybody and knows thats scum. Is he like god of this game or why i nobody suspect about his conidence here?
This post which I found townie initially could imply Palmar + DMB down the line. It's unusual because she doesn't mind shading Palmar and made this post in the process of sheeping him.
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##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst.
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First vote on mafia probably.
Aside from Sandro who everyone scumreads but nobody votes.
I'm just supposed to be a consolation prize for the scum team or something because Palmar forgot how to scum.
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On December 11 2023 23:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Then why aren’t you voting for sandro, if all combinations involve him? It’s obviously the correct play in the world you’re describing.
Because Palmar is more threatening to me and the game in general and has no pressure from anyone else whatsoever. There's nothing in him that warrants a townread though.
It's just one of those games where it seems like I'm playing against cliques again so it distorts the scumhunting.
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DP, Palmar, HF play like a clique in that sense. But I'd be surprised if that's the team.
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On December 11 2023 23:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 23:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Then why aren’t you voting for sandro, if all combinations involve him? It’s obviously the correct play in the world you’re describing. Because Palmar is more threatening to me and the game in general and has no pressure from anyone else whatsoever. There's nothing in him that warrants a townread though. It's just one of those games where it seems like I'm playing against cliques again so it distorts the scumhunting. But it makes no sense as your vote is very unlikely to get him lynched and therefore wasted, so surely you should be voting for the person that a) you have a chance of getting lynched today and b) is in all your scumteams…
I don't care, call it omgus. But I don't bother against cliques anyway. I believe there'd be people voting me independently of my alignment and that's the sign you should just reduce effort to a minimum because it makes it impossible to take anything seriously anyway.
Apparently it doesn't matter what you write when you got a diva with a flock of lickspittlers posting a vote with zero arguments.
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On December 11 2023 23:50 marvellosity wrote: The argument is that your posts are super boring and he wasn’t the first to make it. (Eg me)
Counterpoint: You actually read them
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And another counterpoint: I get to call all of Sandro, DMB and Palmar mafia first
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On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote: There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
You don't have any holistic view of the game at all you just have a tunnel going on me that someone else conveniently put into place for you.
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On December 11 2023 05:23 sandroba wrote: marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
You can't call these reads
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On December 12 2023 00:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote: @palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either That'd be because you're mafia
... that you're attempting to save in a only so slightly impressive fashion.
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Fake everything tbh. Town will give Palmar a little morsel of me before they all go into the pit or something.
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To not hurt his illusions of grandeur
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Methinks someone tampered with DPs supersoldier vat he usually sleeps in and attached a vial of tranquilizer to it otherwise I don't see why he plays town like this if he even is.
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I'm probably being lynched under accusation that I'm boring precisely because you're afraid that I will stop to be that and your soft grandpa hearts couldn't be able to handle that.
I need an avenue to be entertaining, you're making the atmosphere austere and unpleasant (looking at DP and Palmar mostly).
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On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives?
In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push.
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On December 12 2023 00:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:53 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives? In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push. So you're voting for Palmar but you don't even think he is mafia? Fair enough, I suppose. Do we still do baby seals around here?
I think he is mafia. I just explained to you why my opinion had a change. That doesn't make anyone mafia.
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On December 12 2023 01:04 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote: There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax. I net you are getting a kick out of this
(This post implies knowledge of Palmars alignment)
What is this game? Palmar's playground? Did he run out of board games ?
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On the other hand it makes it more likely he is town since Sandro just spewed him.
I think I like the old Trfel + Sandro double bus theory better and it fits with Trfel coming in to poke at me with bad reasoning. For third one of Chez, Dmb, HF or DP should suffice.
There you go, the best list in the game to lynch into. Get on my level noobs.
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Koshi + Rayn shining with absence in a time of dire. Can't blame them in a troll game.
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On December 12 2023 01:18 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 01:06 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 01:04 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote: There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax. I net you are getting a kick out of this (This post implies knowledge of Palmars alignment) What is this game? Palmar's playground? Did he run out of board games ? Palmar is getting a kick of just talking down to me, probably a bigger kick if he is mafia steering the game
And what of the two is he in your opinion?
It's two different types of kicks you are talking about, you phrased it as just one type. Because it was phrased for mafia Palmar getting me mislynched but you have a townread on him. You're keeping it deliberately ambiguous now because you just gave away that you had the impression of a one-sided kick as if you knew his alignment.
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On December 12 2023 01:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 01:01 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 00:56 Trfel wrote:On December 12 2023 00:53 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives? In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push. So you're voting for Palmar but you don't even think he is mafia? Fair enough, I suppose. Do we still do baby seals around here? I think he is mafia. I just explained to you why my opinion had a change. That doesn't make anyone mafia. I've read your filter and I've read it again, I'm literally not seeing why you changed your mind to think Palmar is mafia besides the association with sandroba? I'm not necessarily opposed to other lynches but you're really not giving me much of a reason. You're scumreading sandroba seemingly most of all, marvellosity is on sandroba, much of the game is on sandroba, by playing the game a bit we both know you could prove your (assumed) towniness and not only keep going but get a favorable lynch. Your lack of will to even do that much is deeply incriminating.
I've changed my mind cause he's doubled down on me being mafia. Initially a wagon formed on me is good, strategically. The double down makes it either a mafia wagon or a troll wagon, and I lynch both. Going with mafia cause he's not so sneakily saving Sandroba while scumreading him.
It's very easy to comprehend.
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Someone knows I'm unlynchable as town if I make it past D1
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Palmar went back into his hole after a bit of primal chest thumping as to be expected from volcanic greybacks
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On December 12 2023 01:51 marvellosity wrote: Humour me a moment - why was your filter so fucking boring first 24h?
I was mostly stoned playing a bit of dwarf fortress on the sides.
Didn't expect to be on the defensive during D1.
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Work begins in 45 minutes though, so today I've been a bit more active and focused.
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On December 12 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 01:22 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 01:18 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 01:06 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 01:04 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote: There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax. I net you are getting a kick out of this (This post implies knowledge of Palmars alignment) What is this game? Palmar's playground? Did he run out of board games ? Palmar is getting a kick of just talking down to me, probably a bigger kick if he is mafia steering the game And what of the two is he in your opinion? It's two different types of kicks you are talking about, you phrased it as just one type. Because it was phrased for mafia Palmar getting me mislynched but you have a townread on him. You're keeping it deliberately ambiguous now because you just gave away that you had the impression of a one-sided kick as if you knew his alignment. If you are mafia, I think palmar is prob town. If you are town, I'm neutral - wouldn't put it past palmar to be doing that as mafia the way he is setting things up, but he just as easily could be town and trying to get his suspicions lynched. Palmar as town would be getting a kick that post regardless of my alignment I believe, moreso if he thinks I'm mafia, as he just enjoys being condescending. As scum, he just seems to like to randomly antagonize me, like the last time we played in assassination mafia
Ok and you made that post from the perspective where he is town or the one where he's mafia?
So you're saying Palmar is enjoying directing your vote because you think Palmar is town, but if you are town why should he be enjoying doing that?
It's already scummy that you had the thought that made you make that post in the first place tbh so there's probably no satisfying answers here.
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In case you're wondering: I'm the guy who cooks, mostly. This treachery by DMB will not go unpunished.
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I don't want to decide what to think of marv today. But he's a pleasant presence.
Can always lynch HF, that usually makes games easier, especially when he flips town.
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This thread is too English I need more votes on me.
Draw me like one of your Scottish rebels
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Featuring Mel Gibbon, Palmarbe and Orango Sandro
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You can have a brave heart, rave hard and be a retard.
But only few can be all at once
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Why am I getting lynched really. Not only are you missing out on me writing fun stuff but it‘s also the second of four games in which I‘d get D1d.
Palmar‘s vanity wagon is just bullying.
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We could just be lynching three mafias in a row instead but here we are playing a troll game
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Human‘s individual IQ when acting in groups drops off and this game is another live example.
Koshi with a very weak vote and apathetic town.
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Very enjoyable discussion thanks a lot guys.
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On December 12 2023 07:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote: @marv waffling on slam is the whole reason you think I'm suspicious? At that point in the thread, we only had very few posts and I did the best with what I had to get some alignment discussion going, while trying to be transparent with my thought process. Even after this whole day I would probably waffle on Slam if I'm being honest as I find him and chezinu pretty much wild cards. Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. Can you post a list post so I can kind of feel out where you sit on everyone.
Direct me to the part where he shits on everyone instead because that‘s what he‘d have done when he was in my situation now if he were town.
I can only post during breaks rn and I don‘t see how it makes sense to yeet me. There is no avenue for me to work with except that I already said what makes sandro scum.
And f* you Palmar you don‘t get to decide what‘s funny. If you want me being funny you have to create a context for it and your terrible wagon isn‘t it.
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But I get it the mafia is so baby seal like that you have to lynch town terminator for this to be a fair game.
The rabble is afraid of having their spotlight stolen.
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On December 12 2023 07:23 sandroba wrote: I feel like rayn, you and koshi are town. Lean town on slam, palmar (move to town if vivax is scum) Neutral on hf, chezinu, dmb I lean scum on vivax, marv, conflicted on trfel.
Thanks in case that marv and Trfel are your homebois
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On December 12 2023 07:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:23 Vivax wrote: But I get it the mafia is so baby seal like that you have to lynch town terminator for this to be a fair game.
The rabble is afraid of having their spotlight stolen. LoL.
See ? A random passersby actually laughed. Take that Pall Mall
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Your new nickname cause your wagon is giving me the crabs.
This game feels more like Chlamydia than Liquidia.
What happened to you guys. Did you just crawl out of a drug den or something.
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On December 12 2023 07:28 DarthPunk wrote: The problem is vivax this amped up crazy kind of reminds me of your go to move your last scum game.
Yeah because that‘s what actually works. If I play town for the win I just get lynched. If I shitpost I live.
Except this game it isn‘t my shiny made up good looking arguments but just my unpolished blunt opinion.
See the difference ? I don‘t feel like producing more finely nuanced arguments because the wagon on me is already on a tier that implies this town can‘t work with those.
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When I habe a feeling that the outcome is linked to my analysis I might put in effort but don‘t try to den. that this is a meme wagon with the purpose of bullying.
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Shift's over.
So while being painfully aware that most of you just got into the game deciding to blind sheep some fellas, here's a bunch of takes when I try freeing up the mind from your frankly, honestly but not very diplomatically put disgusting interference into my personal scumhunting methods.
Given that I know I'm town, I fully take responsibility but also credit for the disdain I hold for you people voting for me that I express in my posts. I think this community has been great so far for my personal development because I learned how to communicate properly among religious highly tech affine spiritualists with an incurable disease of which the details are engraved in their passports, British narcissists with a pendant for indirect violence but who would never openly admit to being violent, and a bunch of (other) Europeans who somehow seem to think more alongside my lines usually. And Sandro ofc who's probably some high ranking brazilian mafia boss.
Proof that I am the best is simply that none of you can ever correctly guess my alignment as of late, even if you are mafia and have read your role PM.
I have reread a bit, like two pages and I'm going to start the stream of consciousness here. So strap in.
On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh
On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel?
I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot
On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel?
I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot
On December 10 2023 20:29 marvellosity wrote: I dunno. I have a lot of respect for sandro, and time off or nay, I don’t think that’s what I expect from him.
I know I don’t like Trfel’s responses either though, so I’m looking forward to the rest of the day 🍿
This is a bit concerning early on as marv seemed like he should have taken him (Trfel) into defense based on his first attitude but decided not to upon DP attacking him (2nd, third attitude).
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Trfel sounds to 70% maybe like Iawy from MU btw
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On December 10 2023 18:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 18:24 Alakaslam wrote: I see it regarding your point with Trfel, DP, but I also see DarthPunk's point about super early suspicions and that makes me unsure about your point on Trfel because it is still early + Show Spoiler + Yeah I always do this . Also sometime people are just scum (like cupcake read in one of the previous games) and trfel is fitting that bill for me.
This is the wording and content I expect from mafia often. They often don't have anything to write about so they flee into reminiscence instead.
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I think there's the potential for a light bus dynamic with Trfel (from DP and marv respectively) early in the game.
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A tinfoil theory is that Palmar instant read marv as mafia and decided to start a wagon on me to not have marv have to do any work.
Just a little thought on the side while I try to churn out something salvageable.
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On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, what exactly do you mean by Trfel being tenacious? Just kept posting. Not a lot more than that tbh Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here.
This is a good opinion but also kinda scummy for rayn to have to spell out to marv. It begs for the question, would Trfel not also be wishywashy as mafia?
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On December 11 2023 02:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:29 marvellosity wrote: It’s baseless so there’s not a lot I can say about it really most of the stuff is quite baseless atm, though As in literally there’s not an explanation. well i think my educated guess is correct. take that as you want On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be? I'll bite, Me and DP
Why DP at the time? He appeared green in Slam's later list post.
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On December 11 2023 05:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple.
This is HFs post to Sandro, notable that he gives himself an out from his suspicion on his own. Also notable that Sandro didn't include a quote to figure out he was replying to HF in that post.
In the room (P.18) this is a conversation happening in parallel over other folks discussing other matters.
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)
Rayn also engages.
Main difference: HF voices suspicion and doesn't accept the explanation, tells him to post it up. Rayn just tells him the latter.
Assuming Sandro is mafia, HF is more likely to be partnered based on this interaction.
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On December 11 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins? i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. I had my concerns on marv's first post(s) last game, he ended up being mafia, i ended up being night killed before figuring that out.
However his opener here (real opener - the post about Trfel), seems to be just what i think at the time. It might be just a bad coincidence you called out Trfel's post, but idk... i feel the same way about your post then what marv did. If you are town, obviously it is possible marv is mafia. I do not think we're gonna find about that until closer to EoD. I think he is town, and i don't think you accusing helps your case in my eyes as if this is the reasoning. Anyways for now you are not going to convince me of your PoV. What about Vivax and HF?
Again reminiscing behaviour. Scum flag.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote: I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote: Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote: Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please? Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins? i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. To me, these posts say that you think sandroba is town. Not like 100% bet your life on it certainty or anything, but if you had to guess you'd say he's town. So, townread. You're defending him, bringing up reasons why he is town, saying his play doesn't make sense as mafia. What else am I supposed to think? If this isn't a townread then what is? to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick.
Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh.
Probably one of his towniest posts. I can absolutely picture myself reacting like that, and I did. But I did so with more spite and energy.
I think it's impossible for me to go over sandro and not think he's mafia. Meta wise he's also off imo. I have several instances of very poorly fleshed out reads:
On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote: What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.
This is him townreading rayn on pure wifom. He's basing his entire townread on rayn on the same assumption that a DP partnered with him (Sandro) would not side with him. Please.
On December 11 2023 05:23 sandroba wrote: marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
Fake
On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part.
He explained from wifom why rayn was town and repeats it here. The tone is damp, stiff.
On December 11 2023 12:48 sandroba wrote: Ah, also palmar likely town now
From normal to town, ok. What's the difference?
On December 11 2023 13:35 sandroba wrote: I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads
What's wrong here?
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I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn Sandro/DP/rayn Trfel/DP/rayn Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off. If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro DP/rayn/Trfel DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here. The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired.
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Excluded HF though. He would be a good D1 policy lynch. But go on and increase the complexity of the game unnecessarily if you want.
His list was ok but I don't see how he ranked DMB up so highly.
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On December 11 2023 12:46 sandroba wrote: Trfel and DP are definitely talking past each other and I'm like 98% convinced it's 2 townies fighting. Trfel made it sound like DP was leaning town on me because I was leaning mafia on marv, which was definitely not the case since he was commenting on my posts from before that. DP was saying he wasn't saying he was leaning town on me while reading his posts points to the contrary.
Probably better to focus both their efforts on vivax, marv, hf (?)
We can add Sandro/marv/HF as iteration
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On December 12 2023 11:42 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that he is basically calling me scum at the time when I am someone he needs to have on side is either super sick wifom play or he is just town trying to leave his last reads before he dies.
You'd be a drop in the bucket so it's really just one thing duh
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On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote: Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin.
This is a very scummy post.
Why Koshi?
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On December 12 2023 11:38 Vivax wrote: I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn Sandro/DP/rayn Trfel/DP/rayn Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off. If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro DP/rayn/Trfel DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here. The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired.
Replace DP with marv in all my iterations
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On December 12 2023 01:03 sandroba wrote: marv is just mafia. too lazy to make an effort, which doesn't make sense given how cool this game could be
This is so lazy it spews marv mafia if sandro is tbh.
I'll leave the game with Sandro/marv/rayn as guesses. Offchance DMB, HF, Chez (I have a poor grasp on them).
Small offchance DP on strong scum game and mostly off small things.
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On December 12 2023 11:50 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 11:38 Vivax wrote: I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn Sandro/DP/rayn Trfel/DP/rayn Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off. If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro DP/rayn/Trfel DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here. The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired. In some earlier post I already said that rayn looks always like scum for me. Also i would go on a vote for Sandro or Trfel but I don´t think both of them would be scum Rayn was not very activ here so i have no reason to vote on him right know this ealier posts seems normal (for Rayn) DP looks fucking Townisch to me and I don´t see a single reason to see him as scum. Also Slam has a good Townread from me atm. I still unsure about Palmar but i have to read some old games from him
There's very good arguments for both Sandro and Trfel to be scum. But they aren't if you are because of this post :>
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Tinfoil world is Palmar/DMB/X
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Would be interesting to put interactions between players into a graphic and try off that.
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On December 12 2023 11:59 DarthPunk wrote: I tend to think that everyone in here trying not to mislynch Vivax is town FWIW.
@Chezinu
wifom
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Game felt sterile from an intensity standpoint but otherwise good job. Most prefer squares over Dali paintings it‘s the way it is.
Good initiation by Trfel and sandroba baiting scumreads early and marv Dp and plamar playing along.
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The Vivax lynch was just an unfortunate timing. His filter really was shit and he didn't do anything about it until way too late in the game.
For reference, this is from the shit filter. The first combination on a brief catch up at like 2 or 3 AM after work was this with:
On December 12 2023 11:38 Vivax wrote: I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn Sandro/DP/rayn Trfel/DP/rayn Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off. If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro DP/rayn/Trfel DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here. The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired.
On December 12 2023 11:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 11:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 12 2023 11:38 Vivax wrote: I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn Sandro/DP/rayn Trfel/DP/rayn Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off. If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro DP/rayn/Trfel DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here. The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired. In some earlier post I already said that rayn looks always like scum for me. Also i would go on a vote for Sandro or Trfel but I don´t think both of them would be scum Rayn was not very activ here so i have no reason to vote on him right know this ealier posts seems normal (for Rayn) DP looks fucking Townisch to me and I don´t see a single reason to see him as scum. Also Slam has a good Townread from me atm. I still unsure about Palmar but i have to read some old games from him There's very good arguments for both Sandro and Trfel to be scum. But they aren't if you are because of this post :>
Basically Palmar is just saying I didn't put in effort and I got lynched from that even though I had my head absolutely in the right place when I wasn't shitposting.
Sometimes, facts do exist in this game. Others, it's just Palmar's opinion.
2 blues, 2 mafia, and Sandro + Trfel who were the majority's picks. More than decent.
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On December 24 2023 21:44 Koshi wrote: If only we could have traded places Vivax.
I have no idea what you are talking about but I know that if you don't become antisocial at least tendentially in this society, you are not unlikely to be part of the problem and this game is a good example of that.
How to prove democracy sucks in one game. Doesn't matter how much you stroke each other's egos if the outcome is that you gang up on minorities when it suits you. Peak hypocrisy.
Sorry that I don't like to pretend to be nice to everyone and in a good mood constantly. Scandalous that I don't like to be forced to lie.
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On December 24 2023 22:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2023 22:08 Vivax wrote:On December 24 2023 21:44 Koshi wrote: If only we could have traded places Vivax. I have no idea what you are talking about but I know that if you don't become antisocial at least tendentially in this society, you are not unlikely to be part of the problem and this game is a good example of that. How to prove democracy sucks in one game. Doesn't matter how much you stroke each other's egos if the outcome is that you gang up on minorities when it suits you. Peak hypocrisy. Sorry that I don't like to pretend to be nice to everyone and in a good mood constantly. Scandalous that I don't like to be forced to lie. Probably don't wait until aftet everyone has gone to bed to start playing like not a maniac next time.
'they probably should dress in other ways then pspspsps'
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Trigger warning:
+ Show Spoiler +My mental representation of HF is someone who likes to fuck up on purpose to please rich dudes and then blames the victims for it. But at least he's always polite, that must make up for it.
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On December 24 2023 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh come on :D
It’s true though. He could have changed the deadline outcome.
Mafia is how I learned never to attempt to help others. In the future I’ll just be right in the corner with the other antisocial whales that’s the lesson I have been taught last year.
Maybe when gangstalkers try to drive you to suicide you will understand.
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And the imgur servers are in Iceland what a surprise
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On December 24 2023 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2023 23:26 Vivax wrote:On December 24 2023 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh come on :D It’s true though. He could have changed the deadline outcome. Mafia is how I learned never to attempt to help others. In the future I’ll just be right in the corner with the other antisocial whales that’s the lesson I have been taught last year. Maybe when gangstalkers try to drive you to suicide you will understand. You do realize though, that mafia is very different from real life? In mafia there is always someone out to get you, in real life that's not the case. That's why people act differently in these games, based on what they know of others and what they know of real life.
That's the point though. In 2021 and 22 someone manipulated imgur in a way that made it look to me like someone was out to get me, like a malicious algorithm. It took me half a year to just partially recover from that life threatening shit and it heavily influenced me in games.
That and certain American policies is why we need internet segregation in Europe just like in China.
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On December 26 2023 05:40 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole
I am not sure it was that personal
Well don't put shit like 'the people like to see you suffer' into a game unless you want to blurry the lines of what is a game and whatnot. Cause it reminds me of something where fellas unknown to me violated the rights of dozens of uninvolved people to attempt to get to me.
It implies that Palmar has other reasons to vote for me and ergo wasn't playing mafia along with the ones voting with him.
But maybe he can assure me it was all fictional and trolling and we're good. That sentence specifically turned my day upside down yesterday. I get to spell out my interpretation, he spells out his intention for clarity.
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Cause when in three out of 4 games you D1 me or my GF, I just might begin to spot a pattern where someone's been feeding you reasons.
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On December 26 2023 20:23 Palmar wrote: Yeah. Slam got it, not personal.
I have a disclaimer that hasn’t changed in over a decade in my profile. That is still valid.
Okay so if I said in a game that my people enjoyed watching you suffer, whether they existed or not, but it‘s not personal, where would you place your reaction at ?
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On December 26 2023 22:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2023 21:26 Vivax wrote:On December 26 2023 20:23 Palmar wrote: Yeah. Slam got it, not personal.
I have a disclaimer that hasn’t changed in over a decade in my profile. That is still valid.
Okay so if I said in a game that my people enjoyed watching you suffer, whether they existed or not, but it‘s not personal, where would you place your reaction at ? It’s a game, I probably wouldn’t care lol. Are you okay man?
I wasn’t, but I guess I am now. Wanted to make sure you weren‘t on that page I am sensitive about which isn‘t a given with such statements.
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Thanks. That helps. You made me think you were part of a certain gang.
Now I know what ptsd is like. I just become a literal beast that sees enemies everywhere out of self defense instinct once I feel like it‘s back then and mafia often triggers it.
In that sense, sorry for my outburst. At least you have the capacity for confrontation and talking it out.
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On December 27 2023 18:53 marvellosity wrote: Really hope you’re okay Vivax, I hope you have someone you can really talk to about what happened, sounds like that’s something that would be good for you.
To echo Palmar, it’s never personal and I’m always happy when your name is on the sign up list.
Heh, they‘ll put shrinks on insurance apparently. Thanks. Felt like someone made a clone of me and tortured it for months in a parallel dimension and I was feeling it.
And who says such a thing isn‘t possible once you can fully digitalize humans ? Maybe it already is. Scary innit.
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On December 27 2023 05:46 Alakaslam wrote: Fucking antifa goons. Beat up my friend who was himself a member of the same ideology... because he is Turkish, making him "white"
Good job punks, he is a nazi sympathizer now
Good job, Berkeley
*this is meant as sympathy with victims of violence, no one here beat on my buddy obviously.
Any ideology footed in being anti-x is trash unsurprisingly. World needs more daoism fr
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On December 29 2023 15:39 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2023 09:48 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2023 05:46 Alakaslam wrote: Fucking antifa goons. Beat up my friend who was himself a member of the same ideology... because he is Turkish, making him "white"
Good job punks, he is a nazi sympathizer now
Good job, Berkeley
*this is meant as sympathy with victims of violence, no one here beat on my buddy obviously. Any ideology footed in being anti-x is trash unsurprisingly. World needs more daoism fr The Dao is an excellent writ, NGL
I think the core point is that good and evil don‘t exist, just stability, change and the perspective you are experiencing changes in those from.
When you‘ve been treated too well in life and generally bored or during compassion fatigue you might be drawn to sympathize with evil instead…
Moral of the story: Hardships better you, otherwise in their absence you‘ll attempt to create your own.
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Who os thrawn is a better question than who is RB
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It‘s not the existence of the duality that matters, it‘s whether you choose to place yourself at its extremes.
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I united the dualities where it mattered. Deal with it it you are a slave a books 😜
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(technically, me and dmb, but officially i seem to be a mysoginist nazi sexist)
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ergo, fuck your free speech tbh
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In American systems, it‘s not the correct ones who win, just the spammy, loudest ones wirh dozens of botnets at their disposal.
It‘s true, Putin judt told me in a zoom meeting.
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Come into voicechat and fite me like real women do, bish
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