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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:02 GMT
#1149
Like what I remember of Hf is that he makes big, long, convincing cases and towns find it really hard to argue with him over the long haul. He pushes the mafia agenda and it’s really hard to stop because he’s convincing.

Either Hf is mafia and is ecstatic about how the game is going and therefore not pushing anything very hard, or maybe he’s town and just bumbling along like i was trying to do before people kept telling me I was mafia.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:02 GMT
#1151
On December 12 2023 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i see both Trfel and sandroba have entered the thread after i left, both of them are calling Vivax mafia because Vivax is not reading the thread in correct order, but neither of them recognizes the fact that Holyflare did the exact same thing (or rather voted for someone, said he didn't didn't read up to point of a certain post before voting, but still had read posts after that point).

Especially for someone who thinks Vivax is mafia because Vivax quoted posts in wrong order, HF should be like double mafia.

Not good enough.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:08 GMT
#1153
Look at it another way rayn. You may be right about HF (you may not).

But your argument about this timestamps thing has been in the thread a while and you discussed it over a few posts. There are 9 townies in this game and none of them have ridden with the argument. That means even if you are right, it’s not the argument that is making you right.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:21 GMT
#1155
On December 12 2023 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
Like what I remember of Hf is that he makes big, long, convincing cases and towns find it really hard to argue with him over the long haul. He pushes the mafia agenda and it’s really hard to stop because he’s convincing.

Either Hf is mafia and is ecstatic about how the game is going and therefore not pushing anything very hard, or maybe he’s town and just bumbling along like i was trying to do before people kept telling me I was mafia.


I am gonna leave it for now and at least catch up for the rest of D1. But still, he voted for me. The thread was something like 5 pages long. I know people miss posts, people misread things. But for me i find it very hard to believe HF "missed" something he surely had read by his own words (he had read further into the thread), and it's not even a misread by any chance. It was straight out "you didn't pose a question to sandroba". Again, emphasis on at that time from what he had read, he voted for me!

HF is busy, i get it, everyone is busy because we're getting old and have other stuff in life too. But it's not a question being busy here, because if HF is mafia he is still busy and won't write big cases (of trash) and then argue his way out of it.

Anyways the point is, if both Trfel and sandroba voted for Vivax based on quoting some stuff in wrong order, i find it suspicious they don't recognize what i said about HF during D1 -- or even care to investigate.

It’s quite a bold move to drop a vote on you like that right?

If it’s done on false pretences like you are claiming, what’s the goal? As Hf can’t possibly gain any traction with it (and indeed didn’t )

If sandro is mafia then sandro is just looking for a vote and what you’re talking about makes it more likely sandro (and maybe Trfel) are mafia because they need to save sandro’s skin and probably going for Hf wasn’t the way to do that (and that tracks regardless of HF’s alignment)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:28 GMT
#1158
On December 11 2023 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:51 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).

He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
I believe this is the post in question.

Raynpelikoneet, other than the above question though, can you help me understand why you are so confident Holyflare is mafia?

because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing.
(2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason)
(3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia...

Is this the thrust of your argument rayn?

If there’s more to it, can you concisely add to it here?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 14:33 GMT
#1159
I have read through more of your filter, and it might be that Hf missed your one question to sandro and that’s the whole reason you’re mad?

Tbh when I was defending myself, I knew I had questioned Trfel about Vivax early and I went looking for it, but I still missed it in my filter like 3 times before I found it. These things happen
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:04 GMT
#1170
I am umming on Koshi a little bit.

Partly because I am already wondering who the player is I am wrong about.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:04 GMT
#1171
On December 13 2023 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol... marv?????? rly lol?

Eh?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:10 GMT
#1177
On December 13 2023 00:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Marv, if I am reading what you say about Sandroba with the background of thinking Trfel is mafia and fearing that you could be mafia with him but carry such sway with me that I will TR you when mafia often because you say sensible shit as either alignment,

That maybe I weighted your takes on sandro... lightly?

Dismissed them with a mountain of trolls' salt?

If there is no possible world where thus happens, then I have an academy award winning song for you:


I mean, I do love this song :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:11 GMT
#1178
On December 13 2023 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 00:04 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2023 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol... marv?????? rly lol?

Eh?

The reasoning is absolute trash and exactly the opposite how Vivax operates as mafia....

No, actually when I was mafia with him he did make a lot of nonsensical, silly posts. It was a good distraction technique. He even talked about it in the maf discord
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:57 GMT
#1202
On December 13 2023 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2023 00:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Marv, if I am reading what you say about Sandroba with the background of thinking Trfel is mafia and fearing that you could be mafia with him but carry such sway with me that I will TR you when mafia often because you say sensible shit as either alignment,

That maybe I weighted your takes on sandro... lightly?

Dismissed them with a mountain of trolls' salt?

If there is no possible world where thus happens, then I have an academy award winning song for you:

https://youtu.be/0eWUhXPhIaE?feature=shared

I mean, I do love this song :p

I do that in karaoke with a friend of mine

❤️
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 15:58 GMT
#1203
On December 13 2023 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2023 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 13 2023 00:04 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2023 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol... marv?????? rly lol?

Eh?

The reasoning is absolute trash and exactly the opposite how Vivax operates as mafia....

No, actually when I was mafia with him he did make a lot of nonsensical, silly posts. It was a good distraction technique. He even talked about it in the maf discord

Okay then we just have a quite different view of how Vivax plays (granted, i didn't figure him out last game and probably couldn't have), although i heard most of his play was to throw me off, dunno how accurate that is.

to be fair, rayn, I think the view you are talking about is how Vivax has always played mafia. But he changed it up for the better in our game(s) earlier in the year.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:07 GMT
#1208
On December 13 2023 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i still don't know about Koshi thoguh, there was one post i thought was really townie, but aside from that it's just meehhhh, all game just mehhh..

Kinda yeah.

He’s absolutely capable of shitting towniness though, so let’s see if that happens
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:36 GMT
#1215
On December 13 2023 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2023 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i still don't know about Koshi thoguh, there was one post i thought was really townie, but aside from that it's just meehhhh, all game just mehhh..

Kinda yeah.

He’s absolutely capable of shitting towniness though, so let’s see if that happens

I thought he was able to "shit towniness" as mafia as well, until he gave up. It was not a bad case on DP last game.

I was probably biased because I was on his team but I did not think it looked like his town game. But then again I knew he was mafia so it’s really hard to tell xD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:44 GMT
#1217
On December 13 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what else than sandroba then, marv?

I really don’t know.

I gave my town - mafia order earlier in the night phase. Maybe a couple of people went up or down a bit but it’s broadly about where I’m at.

I’m sort of vaguely aware that there is an ‘old time’ player who is currently fooling me as it’s too easy that everyone has the sa,e bottom 5 or so, it’s never that easy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:46 GMT
#1218
As much as I want sandro to die, I’m really wary of making connections before he flips. Like DMB, DP look really good if sandro flips mafia.

If sandro flips town somehow then all my thoughts are wrong and need reevaluating.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:47 GMT
#1219
Finding it hard to envisage 3 mafia outside of sandro though. Unless it’s both Slam and Chez which would just make this game really, really irritating.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:50 GMT
#1223
On December 13 2023 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think i am lower on your list than Koshi or DP?

Maybe not Koshi. But DP tried to make sandro happen. And again I am back to making connections pre sandro flip. But In the world Im in, sandro flips mafia and DP looks good.

Tbh I do struggle to read DP in general but he doesn’t seem like mafia to me atm.

I don’t really think you are mafia either as I follow your thought process (I even understand where you are coming from with hf, even though I don’t actually understand it - this makes sense to me, might not to you!)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:52 GMT
#1224
There are some moments where DP is in the thread at a similar time to me and is saying or thinking things that come out quickly that I think come from a townie thinking about he game. Of course maybe he can fake this, but if he is faking it he’s doing an excellent job I think. Hope that makes sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 16:55 GMT
#1225
Tbh I feel similarly about Hf except he doesn’t have d1 lynch time in his favour. Like again I can follow how he is viewing and reading the game.

Bit more uncomfortable with this one because, well, it’s HF.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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