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- trying to bury me while it seemed like I would be a viable lynch - Arguing against the Chezinu lynch even though he thought he was 99% mafia due to "no info" bullshit - Not really trying to get anyone lynched d2 pretty much just following palmar marv koshi Points for being town: - He seems to be trying to put in time to investigate stuff, that Trfel analysis looks genuine to me - He gives off a vibe of self-assured innocence that comes off in his posts. - Flat out calling Chezinu 99% mafia and refusing to vote for him is very balsy for mafia | ||
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Hey Rayn, are you and Trfel buddies or have some history together? This post here from you seems over-aggressive. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:18 Holyflare wrote: I stand by still thinking you were mafia. I think you only became "findable" after the palmar situation and even then I'm still hesitant about it because I don't like your directioning/positioning with what you're saying currently or what you were saying just after the chez stuff. In my mind you should be tripling down on palmar and trfel but you're doing some weird thing where you're keeping me at arm's reach still and not really comitting to trying to find me or investigating any of my stances or mindset. I didn't argue against the chez lynch to any meaningful extent other than one post saying I think it was shit and I will triple down and still say I think it was a shit choice even if I knew he was very likely to be mafia. I don't advocate for the stance of always getting mafia being good, I think even a lynch on a townie that people had taken stances on would have just been as good, perhaps better. Although he was the rber so more fortuitous for us in the long run. I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation. I'm not that invested in this game to care what happens if the direction is fine with what I'm thinking at the time. If the direction goes wayward I'll interject with some of my own work (see the trfel stuff when I thought you were looking a bit better) but if I don't have to be in the game I'll try not to be. Look everyone I think is mafia has done some townie shit at some point. Palmar may very well be mafia, and the more other people like you rayn and koshi post the more I think he is due to POE. He has done some shady shit, I don't think he tried to figure out my alignment at all in the QT. Let me do a recap: I was asking him to take a stance on a player I suspect (Trfel) to see if I can get a read from his reasoning. He did not engage, just stated Trfel is town/ I also mentioned Chez to him which I said was giving me mafia tells, to which he responded that he doesn't read trolls. He then asked me to claim blue, to which I asked why he wants to know, then he started to say things like he was mafia. A bit later he said just kidding okay, not really claiming mafia, which I found dumb and suspicious. He wanted to talk about things like pretend I'm mafia, who do we kill, etc, just a lot of trolling. He never asked me for a read or an explanation of a read. After skipping some troll topics he proposed, we started talking about the DP NK. Why does DP get NK'ed. Assuming everyone is town - removing slam, chez, trfel, dmb which prob are never killed n1 - rayn hf koshi didn't do enough, I was widely suspected. That leaves him marv, dp - which means dp is the most dangerous out of the 3 and probably him and marv are just being wrong and stupid if town. He says mafia is prob afraid to shoot him he is protected. I ask him why he was reading me scum to begin with. No answer. I remind him on the slam comment he pointed out that I noticed and dismissed as null. But then pressed him on that he made a serious post later admitting he also had no real read on Slam. So why did he think I'm scum. He reverts to trolling saying that slam bit is 100% reason to base a read on. A bit more conversation going nowhere. Says he has to go, thinks I'm pretty townie in there and we talk more later, mybe about dmb and rayn. I ask him to comment on my collection of scummy posts by Trfel in the thread, he goes back to mafia claiming, saying he has an agenda. Next day when I do catch him online he reverted back to asking me to claim blue. At this point I see what he posts in thread and just am done with entertaining the thought he might be town, say he is just mafia - ask if marv is his partner. Later on after I see trfel slam and marv vote Chezinu against my wagon, I share with him my new reads, ask him to explain his DMB town read, but he is not there. To his credit he does give me an explanation about how if she was mafia why would she not buddy up to him, instead of being pissed off, after all he was lynching vivax, why she is pissed off that we were lynching vivax. Seems flimsy to me, but after that DMB starts posting some paranoid things after the flip and I share with him I've come around to the dmb town read. But he is never there again. He never asks me anything anymore. At this point he should be like 95% sure I'm town or if he was just super stubborn at the very least think it's a strong possibility. He does not engage anymore, doesn't ask me shit. Is never online when I am even when he is posting in the thread. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: not more than with other people i guess? I am asking if he's stupid because "if sandroba is mafia and thinks he's gonna get lynched, why would sandroba talk about anything other than Trfel (which was the only thing he basically talked about)". I am sure you can understand the question... I thought it was randomly over the top, were you annoyed with Trfel at this point? | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba do you know at which point i voted for chezinu? please look at the votes very carefully. From memory, you voted before marv. But tbh it didn't feel like you had an impact in trying to actually get Chez lynched. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thread sentiment was definitely not towards Chezinu lynch. Rayn is not lying here, major turning point in lynching Chezinu was after I begged marv to move his vote and he did. My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: you realize i thought you are mafia as well? Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote: Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it? Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You are. At the point Rayn voted I still thought I would likely be the lynch. Only after when marv switched I thought there was hope. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: so why are you saying i am mafia then? The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25% | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is it a throw away vote? Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)? I explained that already from my perspective, you put the vote on Chez and did not try to push him. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote: You are going by pure vote analysis and I think that's wrong. You were correct I misremembered the timings though. I just reread like page 92 (or wherever palmar talks about what you talked about in your chat) to just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo. You were on fire smashing marv and palmar and none of them engaged on revealing more elaborated points on you. You trfel slam and then even koshi said chez was a good lynch. Koshi was warming up to it. Rayn's entry is really fucking weird still imo and very jarring given what's going on because he just interjects himself right at the part where it becomes an inevitability to me. His explanation of it being a reaction test kind of weakly adds up though so it is what it is. Felt really disgusting at the time though. Palmar and marv look really bad in these interactions, although I get more of a feeling that marv was just baited by a mafia palmar than maliciousness. I'm not going by pure vote analysis at all. Didn't feel like that at all since nobody was saying that in the thread. Maybe for you reading the thread it felt like that, but people were not voicing that opinion at that point. | ||
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On December 16 2023 10:41 die_meatbaby wrote: You want to ask you fucking shit? okey I will!! How the fuck did you end up with me and Palmar together as scum?? Call me scum I don´t mind (as much as now), but with fucking palmar???? Why?? because i was the first one who was suspicious about him? or because I didn´t vote on him? What should I do on D1 5 Votes V 5 Votes Sandro 1 useless vote on Palmar for my ego? D2 10 votes on Chez 1 useless on Palmar because nobody saw what i was seeing at him?? Your commentary doesn't make sense with the post you quoted, maybe you misinterpreted it? I don't think I speculated a team of you + palmar, I even said I read you townie after the lynch. Why do you find it so enraging and outrageous, I think mostly HF at this point, is speculating a team of you + palmar? Not saying I'm on board with that view, but it would make sense to consider it since you have been so over the top when addressing him in particular. | ||
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Reading Palmar's filter I came across this post which had caught my attention previously. I talked about this post with marv, the " And yes your filter looks good but" part which I thought was out of character for someone who is pissed off at Palmar. Palmar filter at that point was 1 page with some trolling commentary. @DMB can you explain why you thought Palmar's filter looked good at this point in the game? | ||
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The investment is minimal, only shows up to vote Chezinu at the end when the lynch is set. Promises more activity and falls short. I was mostly going to talk about Palmar, but ended up even more sure DMB is mafia. Palmar has a few damning things: - Behavior in QT. Doesn't try to get any alignment-indicative reads from me. Never tells anyone why he thinks I'm mafia, never updates his read. Uses it as a crutch to justify not trying to figure out my alignment in QT. - D2 influence and activity - doesn't do shit until people start to go to Chez, and jumps on it when it looks inevitable. Claims that he is busy in the QT but activity there is also minimal - When talking about Chez, clumps him together with Slam as "the trolls", and is very adamant about not wanting to deal with the trolls. Dismisses my claim about scum reading Chez without even wanting to hear it. - DMB read is retarded - View of the game today is abysmal | ||
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Consider the wifom case: What combo of players would ever benefit from killing Koshi instead of you if Palmar is town? | ||
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The only way I can ever understand Palmar's behavior is someone trying his best to emulate his town behavior while pushing a mafia agenda, but falling short due to how hard and laborious it is. | ||
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On December 17 2023 04:29 Holyflare wrote: but I still think it's DMB with him Same here | ||
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