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1245 on Chezinu
1392 on Palmar
1471 on Holyflare and moreso on sandroba
1944 on Chezinu, Holyflare, and sandroba
I think the point on Holyflare came from how you were sticking with the misreading/not reading thing from early on. I think I attributed more passion to this than maybe was appropriate. Regardless, you did discuss Holyflare and sandroba and reasons to be suspicious of them more than you did Chezinu.
I already said that since posting I realized that one plausible explanation for this is that discussing Chezinu is difficult, there isn't a ton to say. I don't know why this did not occur to me earlier.
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On December 17 2023 12:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Every single thing i have pointed out, with Koshi, with HF, the explanation is always "i am sorry i didn't read so well".
No more, how the fuck do you explain that train of thought from yours Trfel. I stand by what I said. I checked your filter and it matches my claims.
I don't think those claims mean a ton anymore due to the aforementioned explanation I missed, but that doesn't change that the claims match the evidence..
I don't mean to be frustrating and I am sorry it comes off that way. If I may, may I ask why this is so irritating? I'm not saying you are mafia, and especially not over this. I'm not trying to misconstrue or manipulate anything. Even if I am wrong, which I don't think I am, but even if somehow I am, I'm not trying to be malicious?
Like I'm not attacking you or anyone else. i'm just doing my best to play in a hard game. I'm sorry if I can't live up to any standards people may have, I never pretended to be good at this.
I'm happy to discuss this but I don't want to make anyone upset or angry and am truly confused how it has come to that point.
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To me it is relevant? It's a thought posted after the previous day's lynch that was never retracted. Does the read dissipate with time?
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Also I was mostly going until you voted for Chezinu, not all the way to the end of day 2, not that it changes much.
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Raynpelikoneet, I guess I'm not sure if you know this, but your logic is actually insane. I remember talking about this with rsoultin, many years ago, how she was impressed by the way you see things logically and it is so effortless to you.
The thing is, it's just not like that for everyone else. You're just super freaking good at this in particular. No one else can match that. I get how it can be frustrating, but it's just the reality that if you hold others to the same standards you set for yourself in terms of logic, most people won't be able to keep up. It's just the way it is and it's not really something that can be changed.
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Again, I'm not saying you are mafia. I'm not saying you scumread all those people. Frankly I'm not even trying to say anything.
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Well this is confusing.
Marvellosity, do you not think die_meatbaby is mafia? I'm confused as to what you think of her.
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I understand what sandroba is saying about the Koshi kill and how that implicates marvellosity and Palmar. However, that just isn't how I am reading the game.
I would very much like to lynch die_meatbaby but if that isn't possible I would lynch Holyflare over Palmar.
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And yes, I take the risk of hard scumsiding if it's marvellosity and Palmar together. But so be it, I don't know what else to do.
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I don't know. If nothing changes I guess the right play is just for me to vote Palmar to consolidate and hope for the best?
Which I will do if it comes to it, would just really rather lynch die_meatbaby.
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On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess.
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Would still much prefer die_meatbaby but I don't think that will happen
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On December 18 2023 12:29 sandroba wrote:Trfel, you ruined your amazing D2 dude, sad indeed I wanted to lynch die_meatbaby but was unable to do so. Tried to make the best of bad options and failed.
Will do my best going forward, I dunno if my reads change a ton though tbh.
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Gonna try and take a look at things.
Sorry Holyflare, I just wasn't sure what to do. Bleh.
Agree about die_meatbaby.
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On December 18 2023 12:59 sandroba wrote:
I should probably accept that I'm probably the baddie here and psyched myself out thinking about this palmar blue retarded theory. If I kept my vote on Palmar the outcome would have been a lot better. Even if Palmar flipped blue, I'd rather work with VT HF any day of the week. Nah I think what you did was reasonable, it just was unfortunate with the deadline and for some reason people just don't want to lynch die_meatbaby which still boggles my mind. It was worth a try, it was the rest of us that let you down.
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On December 18 2023 13:01 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 12:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Holyflare (4): marvellosity, Palmar, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
Palmar (2): sandroba, Holyflare, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (2): Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare
With 4 votes, Holyflare has been lynched!
There is at least one townie in here, but he is probably confused about his role pm. Checked my role PM again, wouldn't have been that surprised if I misread it and am actually mafia but sadly I am not.
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Didn't want to say much during the night due to not wanting to inform the night kill. Ended up getting caught behind though.
Not sure if marvellosity came up with much via his blue role, will take a look though.
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Was seriously considering a marvellosity/Palmar scum team but wanted to wait to see if the night kill would resolve it, which it did.
I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while.
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On December 19 2023 12:32 sandroba wrote:
Possible Marv tracked Palmar at some point and didn't see Palmar visit anyone. My heart says palmar, my head says sleep. Got Masoned by Trfel today, let's see if I can learn something I don't think a tracker is a super useful role most of the time. I had a hunch marvellosity was quite possibly our other power role. The tough part is that even if you track someone and they don't visit anyone, they could still easily be mafia. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the mafia team having 2 regular goons. In fact, I would be very surprised if they have more than the (already flipped) roleblocker that visits people. Since they can have the same person deliver KP and roleblock, that leaves a 2/3 chance of the tracker being on mafia and still giving no information.
Thus, I think the only information to be gained by a tracker is incriminating someone. I'm guessing that did not happen or that would have been claimed and/or that person would have been lynched. I'll try and take a look through his filter anyway though sometime before the end of the day.
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