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On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you.
What do I need to spend energy on?
You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly.
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The argument is that your posts are super boring and he wasn’t the first to make it. (Eg me)
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On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either
I have no need to engage with you as at the moment you haven’t given me a single reason to think you’re town
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On December 12 2023 00:05 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either I have no need to engage with you as at the moment you haven’t given me a single reason to think you’re town Same here, but I'm still trying to engage. Having a hard time attributing why you are being so dismissive and disengaged to anything other than you being mafia. We haven't played together in a long time I would expect nostalgia to motivate you somewhat to want to play with me (at least it does on my end), but I'm seeing some incongruency from my expectations of how you would behave.
Okay okay okay.
Removing me, you, Vivax from the equation, who is interesting to you?
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On December 12 2023 00:05 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts 7B Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. not bad, I like palmar's better
As explained by multiple people now, it is bad.
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On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore.
It’s a bit over wordy maybe, but so is most of his filter.
Out of curiosity then, how would you have expected him to place a vote?
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On December 12 2023 00:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you. What do I need to spend energy on? You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly. Voting Vivax would be a start. Or because you said you'd prefer sandroba, maybe try to get that done? Idk, I'm not your mom
But I’m happy with either lynch, so…
Obviously I know what you’re getting at Palmar, but I don’t and can’t play like the ‘old’ me - if I’m happy with where town is, I won’t make the extra effort to do more stuff just because, which is what I used to do back in the day.
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On December 12 2023 00:43 Palmar wrote:
No DP should not be considered in any immediate scenario. If he's mafia he's well hidden.
For now, he's town.
He will be well hidden if he’s mafia.
I don’t particularly think so at the moment, but it’s possible for sure.
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On December 12 2023 00:54 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. It’s a bit over wordy maybe, but so is most of his filter. Out of curiosity then, how would you have expected him to place a vote? Not sure, it just feels off to me. Now your turn give me something unique
But I don’t want to because I can’t believe that’s all you’ve given me… :/
Nostalgia be damned 
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On December 12 2023 00:44 Palmar wrote:
What we need is clarity and organization.
The clock is really winding down if anyone wants to lynch someone that isn't Vivax. You need to be aware of the deadlines. It's better to sheep the case for unity if you're town than be a rebel.
I will consolidate when it comes to it, old chap.
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I don’t know why, but I’m really enjoying Vivax voting with me. I’m here for it.
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Humour me a moment - why was your filter so fucking boring first 24h?
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Also, re: sandro.
He asked me to engage, and gave me some bleh nonsense about not liking Trfel’s vote on him, but could not come up with a way he would expect Trfel to vote as a townie.
In his filter though, he does quote a post from Trfel and goes to quite some length to explain how townie a post it is.
I don’t believe he goes from the first post explaining to why Trfel is likely town, to a complete nothing post shovelling suspicion on Trfel.
I would provide the 2 quotes but as usual these days I am not in a laptop so it’s too difficult. But if you’re reading this dear town, please do take a look and see what I mean.
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On December 12 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 01:22 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 01:18 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 01:06 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 01:04 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax. I net you are getting a kick out of this (This post implies knowledge of Palmars alignment) What is this game? Palmar's playground? Did he run out of board games ? Palmar is getting a kick of just talking down to me, probably a bigger kick if he is mafia steering the game And what of the two is he in your opinion? It's two different types of kicks you are talking about, you phrased it as just one type. Because it was phrased for mafia Palmar getting me mislynched but you have a townread on him. You're keeping it deliberately ambiguous now because you just gave away that you had the impression of a one-sided kick as if you knew his alignment. If you are mafia, I think palmar is prob town. If you are town, I'm neutral - wouldn't put it past palmar to be doing that as mafia the way he is setting things up, but he just as easily could be town and trying to get his suspicions lynched.
Palmar as town would be getting a kick that post regardless of my alignment I believe, moreso if he thinks I'm mafia, as he just enjoys being condescending.
As scum, he just seems to like to randomly antagonize me, like the last time we played in assassination mafia
Regardless of sandro’s alignment, this is all definitely true
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Didn’t mean to bold the first paragraph. I meant the rest.
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On December 12 2023 02:07 Vivax wrote:
I don't want to decide what to think of marv today. But he's a pleasant presence.
Can always lynch HF, that usually makes games easier, especially when he flips town.
Damning with faint praise
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On December 11 2023 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also idk if this was clarified anywhere but is it 2 mafia or 3 with 12 people? Assuming 2
Can I just say, Hf, this is a really icky post. And you should know why.
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On December 12 2023 02:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 02:18 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also idk if this was clarified anywhere but is it 2 mafia or 3 with 12 people? Assuming 2 Can I just say, Hf, this is a really icky post. And you should know why. Did you like my shutting that shit down immediately?
Hadn’t noticed before, but yes
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On December 12 2023 02:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 01:56 marvellosity wrote:
Also, re: sandro.
He asked me to engage, and gave me some bleh nonsense about not liking Trfel’s vote on him, but could not come up with a way he would expect Trfel to vote as a townie.
In his filter though, he does quote a post from Trfel and goes to quite some length to explain how townie a post it is.
I don’t believe he goes from the first post explaining to why Trfel is likely town, to a complete nothing post shovelling suspicion on Trfel.
I would provide the 2 quotes but as usual these days I am not in a laptop so it’s too difficult. But if you’re reading this dear town, please do take a look and see what I mean. I quoted a post I would 100% expect you to agree on and find it suspicious. Nobody else had mentioned that post and I was expecting you to have some commentary, but instead you just dismissed it and asked me something irrelevant like what I think Trfle would post like if he was a towny voting. I dunno, like something I read and don't think sounds forced? I'm not comparing it to an imaginary trfel post, just reading it along with his filter and feeling it's off. Not sure why you would ask me to imagine a townie post instead of reflecting on the actual post itself.
Because, as I think I said at the time, I don’t understand how the post you were quoting was particularly different from how Trfel has been posting in general
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On December 12 2023 02:55 sandroba wrote:
Nah, I don't buy that you think that. Either tmi or agenda sounds more reasonable
Are you nuts? You haven’t explained in any way how the post you quoted was different from the rest of Trfel’s filter…?!
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