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On December 12 2023 07:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote:
@marv waffling on slam is the whole reason you think I'm suspicious? At that point in the thread, we only had very few posts and I did the best with what I had to get some alignment discussion going, while trying to be transparent with my thought process. Even after this whole day I would probably waffle on Slam if I'm being honest as I find him and chezinu pretty much wild cards.
Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. Can you post a list post so I can kind of feel out where you sit on everyone.
Direct me to the part where he shits on everyone instead because that‘s what he‘d have done when he was in my situation now if he were town.
I can only post during breaks rn and I don‘t see how it makes sense to yeet me. There is no avenue for me to work with except that I already said what makes sandro scum.
And f* you Palmar you don‘t get to decide what‘s funny. If you want me being funny you have to create a context for it and your terrible wagon isn‘t it.
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But I get it the mafia is so baby seal like that you have to lynch town terminator for this to be a fair game.
The rabble is afraid of having their spotlight stolen.
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On December 12 2023 07:23 sandroba wrote:
I feel like rayn, you and koshi are town.
Lean town on slam, palmar (move to town if vivax is scum)
Neutral on hf, chezinu, dmb
I lean scum on vivax, marv, conflicted on trfel.
Thanks in case that marv and Trfel are your homebois
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On December 12 2023 07:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:23 Vivax wrote:
But I get it the mafia is so baby seal like that you have to lynch town terminator for this to be a fair game.
The rabble is afraid of having their spotlight stolen. LoL.
See ? A random passersby actually laughed.
Take that Pall Mall
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Your new nickname cause your wagon is giving me the crabs.
This game feels more like Chlamydia than Liquidia.
What happened to you guys. Did you just crawl out of a drug den or something.
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On December 12 2023 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
The problem is vivax this amped up crazy kind of reminds me of your go to move your last scum game.
Yeah because that‘s what actually works.
If I play town for the win I just get lynched. If I shitpost I live.
Except this game it isn‘t my shiny made up good looking arguments but just my unpolished blunt opinion.
See the difference ? I don‘t feel like producing more finely nuanced arguments because the wagon on me is already on a tier that implies this town can‘t work with those.
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When I habe a feeling that the outcome is linked to my analysis I might put in effort but don‘t try to den. that this is a meme wagon with the purpose of bullying.
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Shift's over.
So while being painfully aware that most of you just got into the game deciding to blind sheep some fellas, here's a bunch of takes when I try freeing up the mind from your frankly, honestly but not very diplomatically put disgusting interference into my personal scumhunting methods.
Given that I know I'm town, I fully take responsibility but also credit for the disdain I hold for you people voting for me that I express in my posts.
I think this community has been great so far for my personal development because I learned how to communicate properly among religious highly tech affine spiritualists with an incurable disease of which the details are engraved in their passports, British narcissists with a pendant for indirect violence but who would never openly admit to being violent, and a bunch of (other) Europeans who somehow seem to think more alongside my lines usually.
And Sandro ofc who's probably some high ranking brazilian mafia boss.
Proof that I am the best is simply that none of you can ever correctly guess my alignment as of late, even if you are mafia and have read your role PM.
I have reread a bit, like two pages and I'm going to start the stream of consciousness here. So strap in.
On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh
On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel?
I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot
On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel?
I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot
On December 10 2023 20:29 marvellosity wrote:
I dunno. I have a lot of respect for sandro, and time off or nay, I don’t think that’s what I expect from him.
I know I don’t like Trfel’s responses either though, so I’m looking forward to the rest of the day 🍿
This is a bit concerning early on as marv seemed like he should have taken him (Trfel) into defense based on his first attitude but decided not to upon DP attacking him (2nd, third attitude).
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Trfel sounds to 70% maybe like Iawy from MU btw
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On December 10 2023 18:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 18:24 Alakaslam wrote:
I see it regarding your point with Trfel, DP, but I also see DarthPunk's point about super early suspicions and that makes me unsure about your point on Trfel because it is still early + Show Spoiler + Yeah I always do this  . Also sometime people are just scum (like cupcake read in one of the previous games) and trfel is fitting that bill for me.
This is the wording and content I expect from mafia often. They often don't have anything to write about so they flee into reminiscence instead.
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I think there's the potential for a light bus dynamic with Trfel (from DP and marv respectively) early in the game.
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A tinfoil theory is that Palmar instant read marv as mafia and decided to start a wagon on me to not have marv have to do any work.
Just a little thought on the side while I try to churn out something salvageable.
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On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, what exactly do you mean by Trfel being tenacious? Just kept posting. Not a lot more than that tbh Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here.
This is a good opinion but also kinda scummy for rayn to have to spell out to marv.
It begs for the question, would Trfel not also be wishywashy as mafia?
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On December 11 2023 02:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
It’s baseless so there’s not a lot I can say about it really most of the stuff is quite baseless atm, though As in literally there’s not an explanation. well i think my educated guess is correct. take that as you want  On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be? I'll bite, Me and DP
Why DP at the time? He appeared green in Slam's later list post.
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On December 11 2023 05:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple.
This is HFs post to Sandro, notable that he gives himself an out from his suspicion on his own.
Also notable that Sandro didn't include a quote to figure out he was replying to HF in that post.
In the room (P.18) this is a conversation happening in parallel over other folks discussing other matters.
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)
Rayn also engages.
Main difference: HF voices suspicion and doesn't accept the explanation, tells him to post it up.
Rayn just tells him the latter.
Assuming Sandro is mafia, HF is more likely to be partnered based on this interaction.
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On December 11 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. I had my concerns on marv's first post(s) last game, he ended up being mafia, i ended up being night killed before figuring that out.
However his opener here (real opener - the post about Trfel), seems to be just what i think at the time. It might be just a bad coincidence you called out Trfel's post, but idk... i feel the same way about your post then what marv did. If you are town, obviously it is possible marv is mafia. I do not think we're gonna find about that until closer to EoD. I think he is town, and i don't think you accusing helps your case in my eyes as if this is the reasoning. Anyways for now you are not going to convince me of your PoV. What about Vivax and HF?
Again reminiscing behaviour. Scum flag.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please? Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. To me, these posts say that you think sandroba is town. Not like 100% bet your life on it certainty or anything, but if you had to guess you'd say he's town. So, townread. You're defending him, bringing up reasons why he is town, saying his play doesn't make sense as mafia. What else am I supposed to think? If this isn't a townread then what is? to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick.
Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh.
Probably one of his towniest posts. I can absolutely picture myself reacting like that, and I did. But I did so with more spite and energy.
I think it's impossible for me to go over sandro and not think he's mafia. Meta wise he's also off imo. I have several instances of very poorly fleshed out reads:
On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.
This is him townreading rayn on pure wifom. He's basing his entire townread on rayn on the same assumption that a DP partnered with him (Sandro) would not side with him. Please.
On December 11 2023 05:23 sandroba wrote:
marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
Fake
On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part.
He explained from wifom why rayn was town and repeats it here. The tone is damp, stiff.
On December 11 2023 12:48 sandroba wrote:
Ah, also palmar likely town now
From normal to town, ok. What's the difference?
On December 11 2023 13:35 sandroba wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads
What's wrong here?
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I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn
Sandro/DP/rayn
Trfel/DP/rayn
Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off.
If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro
DP/rayn/Trfel
DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here.
The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired.
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Excluded HF though. He would be a good D1 policy lynch. But go on and increase the complexity of the game unnecessarily if you want.
His list was ok but I don't see how he ranked DMB up so highly.
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On December 11 2023 12:46 sandroba wrote:
Trfel and DP are definitely talking past each other and I'm like 98% convinced it's 2 townies fighting.
Trfel made it sound like DP was leaning town on me because I was leaning mafia on marv, which was definitely not the case since he was commenting on my posts from before that.
DP was saying he wasn't saying he was leaning town on me while reading his posts points to the contrary.
Probably better to focus both their efforts on vivax, marv, hf (?)
We can add Sandro/marv/HF as iteration
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