EPTWhy do I have strong maf reads and then no one can follow along, I think I need to improve how I push suspicion in the thread.
Happened with Copcake too.
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Why do I have strong maf reads and then no one can follow along, I think I need to improve how I push suspicion in the thread. Happened with Copcake too. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: Largely due to Marv. I think the problem is you don't vote your read and promote that with conviction. You vote after others suggest it. That is low key scummy but not damning (many players do this) so it doesn't get you SR outright but it also makes your efforts to convince others kinda feckless. That or I missed your earlier vote with conviction. Maybe you did that with Trfel but in that case, it would be due to "wrong target" as too many town read him at the time/weren't in the mood to throw down votes yet. I'm talking about trfel, he is my only strong scum read right now. Koshi is closer to voting against the meta abuse. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:49 marvellosity wrote: I think you may be misunderstanding 3rd post? What do you think Trfel is saying there? The problem is two posts later he says On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. When I had said the following prior to him explaining the sandro stuff as a primary read on me. (it's essentially the same sentiment) On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:27 Trfel wrote: You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative. So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible? I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation. | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote: Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town. I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can. Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town. Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote: Quick list post: Slam Palmar Marv Rayn Trfel DP Sandroba Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything. It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though. On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote: Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads. When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter. DMB? Trfel? Marv? | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:30 Alakaslam wrote: And I remember how early this was. ##Vote: Trfel Let's fucking go! ##Vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:46 Vivax wrote: Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing. Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia. He meant time stamps of posts on pages 4 and 5 | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:50 DarthPunk wrote: He meant time stamps of posts on pages 4 and 5 That is important imo | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote: *(I don´t want do hurt fellings with what I ever think or right about somebody here) We are all grown ups, and I was toxic as fuck back in the day. I think I can comfortably say for all of us, that we would rather have you post freely than worry about upsetting anyone. especially when you only have 3 posts or something  | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: Palmar has earned the confidence. He is hiding something and I'm hiding it with him. I'm outing it. Filter Grackaroni. Did you get his permission to do this? | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:10 Alakaslam wrote: Wait would I need host permission? I meant palmar's | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:10 die_meatbaby wrote: sorry getting active now. The thing is i don´t like how Koshi is just like 100% sure that Trfel is Town and just almost every post from him is like trying to save him. But also if Koshi is mafia he wouldn´t be that activ. Koshi can be fallible (as can I) | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:11 Alakaslam wrote: Ok then no but effectively yes Well if you are saying what I think you are saying, that helps. Thanks. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole don't ruin health don't ruin career augh augh! All good, I can rush to meet a deadline | ||
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